Thread: People are so close minded!!!!!! We still dont understand anything.

Hey skeptics i will show you close minded you really are and if you still dont understand.

Originally Posted by Dianeva

The people in this thread who agree with the OP don't have the proper knowledge necessary to understand why the scientific method works. Their ideas surrounding beliefs, logic, truth, facts, science, etc. are distorted. So it won't really work to argue with them as they've never realized the best way to go about understanding something. So I'm going to try to dissect the possibilities a bit and explain some things.

We should try to avoid believing in things that aren't true, because in general our decisions are based on those beliefs. If one of them isn't true, you might try to do something but because you were assuming an incorrect belief, it won't work out how you wanted. A drastic example: Someone believes in unicorns so they dedicate their whole life to hunting them down, and waste their life. In general you want to avoid that kind of thing, so you should strive to know the truth.

You could come up with scenarios in which believing something false doesn't negatively impact your life at all... but doesn't it still bother you? I've never understood people who say it doesn't bother them. For example, if you believe in any sort of afterlife and use that belief to comfort yourself when a loved one dies, isn't that a bit sad, if it really isn't true and the person really is gone in all senses? Wouldn't you rather know? Wouldn't you demand to know? I guess if someone just doesn't naturally care about what's true, then it wouldn't bother them. But since that's one of my primary intuitions, pretty much what drives me at a core level.... those people really do creep me out.

There's also the possibility that you care about the truth but just don't have a grasp on the real world. Perhaps you're a relativist and believe that everyone has their own truths. Or maybe you aren't but you believe everyone's opinion is equally valid, that if we don't know something for sure, then every possibility is equally likely. Well that simply isn't true. Ex: You have a container filled with 1000 blue beads and 50 red beads. You close your eyes and choose one at random. Are you just as likely to be holding a blue bead as a red bead? Of course not. In this case it's obvious. So let's say you're told you have to guess the color of your bead, and if you guess wrong, something really bad will happen. You would guess that you were holding a blue bead, even though you don't know for sure.

This is an analogy for all beliefs that you can hold. What you seem to be saying is that nobody knows what the bead's color is, and people are so closed-minded for assuming it's a blue bead. But really, you're understanding it wrong. I'm sure there are people who just blindly follow science and don't even know why they're doing it, but in general, I for one wouldn't say that we know for sure that you're holding a blue bead. But if you have to make an assumption, you should assume the blue bead because that's what's most likely. Back to science, scientific experiments are all about trying to figure out what these likelihoods are by performing experiments. They aren't saying that their results are definitely true. What they're actually saying is something along the lines of "If the thing we're testing for isn't true, then there would have only been a 5% chance of getting the results we did. So it's probably true."

I don't think there's anything wrong with using intuition for some things. Sometimes we'll sort of 'know' something subconsciously before we realize why we know it. But even these intuitions are also based on reason, on a probability assessment that went on subconsciously. But sometimes intuition is just a feeling you get that really isn't based on anything but random brain firings.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

If we as a species want to begin to understand things, accepting everybody's own little hypotheses on how Y works or how X exists is absolutely the wrong way to go. There's no sense in accepting all possibilities. Probabilities matter.

Originally Posted by TimeDragon97

"The problem"? THAT'S THE BLOODY POINT!! It's good to doubt things so you aren't a gullible sheep who believes everything it is told. It's called "rationality".

So, you don't care about truth?

It makes them gullible and easily manipulated. You can be open to ideas without accepting them right away.

What does that even mean?

I wish i could speak english better so that you would understand!!! I just mean people are so close minded that they dont even know how they feel because we are thought to only listen logic and fuck everything else. It is totally different when it comes to physics, math and that kind of shit.

Lets make this really simple. We still dont know anything about our body we just know we have muscles and bones.....but have you thought we dont have the sensory system to sense everything. Have you ever thought we might have more than just 5 sense? We might just know they exist or there might be millions different senses and we just have 5 of them so we dont know that there might be other life than phycical. When we are born sync out senses with our brain and create our own reality but what if you had different senses? How would you then see the world. This is example what we miss and without being open to anything you will never notice anything. We human dont know anything so we should stop thinking that we know everything at just be aware!!!! I might sound stupid to you but maybe every stupid people is misunderstood because she/he thinks differenly we should be allowed to think and understand world more freely. Do you see how close minded you are. I believe heart is like brain it can control us or our brain can stop it but why we never think that feeling are more than just a feeling? Maybe our heart is trying to us something in different situation but we never bothered to learn what they mean? This is what open mindness mean. You need to understand this in order to become wiser without any limits. !!!! And i might be the only one here who cares about the truth but we never can find the truth. Truth is illusion there is only knowleadge.!!!! Can you see my point!! Think about the first man who started experiment electricity think about man who started learning to handle fire. Back then they saw infinite possibilities unlike us and do you see how much those few thing s that they discovered change our world. Who can say there isnt more is it because that only with knowleadge we can act. People who think they are wise are so blind because of their ego. We know everything we now know because people who thought more openly and experimentent and discovered new things. People looked probably at them like crazy when they tried to create something like car. World is still so mysterious we just made this simple because we didnt allow people to think freely. If this isnt enough to proof you way of thinking with only logic i give up.