Thread: "The US Does Not Torture"

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

I definitely agree 100%. And to the "terrible" cases where a poor, helpless terrorist gets his jaw shattered or is forced to wear underwear on his head I say: "So fucking what. Sometimes people actually get what they deserve." They have no rights. They were dead to rights the moment they joined the wrong team.

You are forgetting a very large part of the reality of this whole situation, Gh...

These people, being detained are not convicted terrorists. None of them. Not one. In being suspected terrorists, they are denied due process. They get no trial. They are held indefinitely. All under the umbrella of suspicion. Even the ones that you see in the pictures; the ones that you say "so fucking what," to. Not one of them have been tried and convicted (as is what has been considered lawful and humane, under our constitution). They are suspected of terrorism and, therefore, detained.

To take the stance that you're taking, without considering that very strong fact, is to basically take the stance that every suspected felon (regardless of conviction or acquittal) deserves capital punishment.

But yea, in case my logic gives the wrong impression, the actual terrorists (those that kill innocent people to promote any religious or political agenda - whether they are Al Qaeda, African militants, or the American government) can go screw themselves.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

But yes, in case my logic gives the wrong impression, the actual terrorists (those that kill innocent people to promote any religious or political agenda - whether they are Al Qaeda, African militants, or the American government) can go screw themselves.

Those are the ones I mean. Actual terrorists, the ones we already know are guilty. In my opinion, once you're found guilty you ought to be treated in the harshest possible manner, as you no longer have rights of any kind.

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

Those are the ones I mean. Actual terrorists, the ones we already know are guilty. In my opinion, once you're found guilty you ought to be treated in the harshest possible manner, as you no longer have rights of any kind.

Found guilty how? By what grounds is someone "found guilty?"
In the U.S., you are "found guilty" after you have had a fair trial. In the "war on terror," you are found guilty by suspicion, which is, often, either by association, or completely false.

So, by which grounds of being "found guilty" are you talking about, exactly?

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

So, by which grounds of being "found guilty" are you talking about, exactly?

Uhm, found guilty as in being charged as guilty of the crime by a judge. I'm not saying that those in the pictures are guilty. Those are the exceptions to the rules. I mean the way things should be. And once found guilty of such Inhuman acts as terrorism you should no longer have Human rights granted or observed. Personally, I think a swiftly-enforced death penalty would be in order.

Alright, I'll stop talking now.