Thread: Stop Drop and Roll. Why Lucidology and Nicholas Newport are creating misinformation.

Originally Posted by debrajane

I bet folk like Aquanina and other very mean and arguementative folk are practicing "Philosophical Argument" (hahaha).

The bizarre thing is that you're talking about me as if I'm not here, and yet I'm obviously going to read this thread. Am I really so mean and argumentative? Did I hurt your feelings?

Originally Posted by Aquanina

The bizarre thing is that you're talking about me as if I'm not here, and yet I'm obviously going to read this thread. Am I really so mean and argumentative? Did I hurt your feelings?

I don't think you're mean. Just honest and blunt. Hahaha.

Originally Posted by debrajane

Hehehe

Last night between 4 and 7pm I did my first year 12 lesson on Philosophy at an adult campus. It was an overview of the whole year course. Josh (the young, hip teacher) talked about argument and the penny slowly started to drop (hehehe)

I bet folk like Aquanina and other very mean and arguementative folk are practicing "Philosophical Argument" (hahaha).

Wellllll

WATCH-OUT

Because this year I'M going to learn how to ARGUE (hehehe)

Then I'll be no more Mrs Whimpy Nice gal (hahaha)

You guy'S say so much UNINFORMED crap about Nick and Lucidology 101 but so far I just whimp-out and let it pass. Now I think some of you are doing it on purpose cos you want to practice your Philosophical Argument Skills.

You are baiting us"Nick-fans".

Soon as I get my Philosophical argument shit together I'LL TAKE YOU ON.

You could take anyone on right now. Debating skills take practice. I'm not so good myself, but if you have a point to make you should make it. We don't need to "watch out" because as long as you make a valid point to argue what people are saying in this thread then people people will consider it. It doesn't mean that those people won't find something to use to debate against it... But what have you got to lose? Really?

And people here are not "being mean". Aquanina is not mean for giving her opinions on this subject. Debating can get pretty heated sometimes, but it's for a reason, not to make people feel shit. Some are more blunt than others.

Feel free to "take us on"...

Originally Posted by Raspberry

You could take anyone on right now. Debating skills take practice. I'm not so good myself, but if you have a point to make you should make it. We don't need to "watch out" because as long as you make a valid point to argue what people are saying in this thread then people people will consider it. It doesn't mean that those people won't find something to use to debate against it... But what have you got to lose? Really?

And people here are not "being mean". Aquanina is not mean for giving her opinions on this subject. Debating can get pretty heated sometimes, but it's for a reason, not to make people feel shit. Some are more blunt than others.

Feel free to "take us on"...

Trust me, sometimes it does make people feel shit. When five or six people shoot someone down they do feel shitty.

When you google his name, this thread comes up in the second spot. Which I find kind of interesting. I look at some of the videos and I can see why people think he is a joke. The basic information seems okay for the most part, but a few of the things he says is really out there, and make no sense.

Alric

Be specific,

You wrote:

***The basic information seems okay for the most part, but a few of the things he says is really out there, and make no sense.***


Exactly what do you consider "really out there, and make no sense."

Quote the bits from his 101 YouTube's that you consider "really out there and make no sense".

I have transcribed the first 5 or 6 YouTube video's onto the other thread. So, highlight, copy and paste what you don't like so I can understand.

The first was trying to diagnosis sleep apnea while in sleep paralysis. I am not sure if that is even possible, but even if it was people shouldn't be trying to diagnosis things in that way, and it is probably just going to scare people more than anything.

Some of the mind body independence stuff, which was pointed out earlier in the thread also make no sense. I think he was just trying to simplify it for people, but it does come out sounding a bit silly. Mostly that isn't a big deal however, I don't know what he is talking about when he is explaining how the body sends extreme pain to test if you are awake or not. He mentions it a few times, about the extreme pain in sleep paralysis. I am not sure what he is doing but no one should be experiencing "extreme" pain during any of the techniques.

I also don't know what he is talking about with the jaw stuff. I suppose some people may have problems, like people who constantly grind their teeth and stuff. However for most people, I think applying pressure to your jaw and tugging on it really hard and stuff is a bit over doing it for us. I am not even sure if it is safe to tell a person to stick their fingers in their mouth and tug their jaw down as hard as possible. He basically said it was impossible to hurt yourself so do it as hard as possible. Maybe you can tell me if that is actually true or not?

Thank you Alric

You have given me several things to work on. I got study and my cleaning chores to do so it might be a while before I reply.

Thanx again for spelling-out where you feel Nick lost-the-plot a bit.

And giving me something to work with.

Respectively yours

DebraJane

(It is 10:40 am here in Adelaide, South Australia)

Aside from the few silly things he does talk about though, I would suspect most of the stuff should work to some degree or other. Since it is basically the same stuff here on the forums, I don't see any controversy on the basic stuff he is saying. Each person is different so if someone understands it better by looking at videos then they should go for it.

Hi Alric

Originally Posted by Alric

Aside from the few silly things he does talk about though, I would suspect most of the stuff should work to some degree or other. Since it is basically the same stuff here on the forums, I don't see any controversy on the basic stuff he is saying. Each person is different so if someone understands it better by looking at videos then they should go for it.

“It is on the whole probable that we continually dream, but that consciousness makes such a noise that we do not hear it.” Carl Jung

I found this quote by Carl Jung on Bobbie Ann Pimm's site, January 5th, 2011, under Carl Jung, QuotesTags: Jung, Quotes

It is true for me, I think.

Nothing seems to work for me, lucid dreaming wise. I think there are different "spiecie's" of dreamers.

You "lucid dreaming" spiecies make so much noise as to make folk like me feel that your way of dreaming is the best way and the rest of "us" who can't do it, are just "dumb losers".

Nothing-much happens for me until folks start focusing-together on one thing. But when that starts happening ... WOW ... I start noticing both dream and waking-life coincidences (synchronizities).

I noticed this at first, on Nick's Saltcube site. When Nick Newport was known as Matt Jones, back in 2005 he helped run 35 consecutive Remote Viewing targets. These were physical objects that he put in a cardboard box and saltcubers aimed at getting lucid or else go OBE and visit the box to pick-up impression of the object in the box.

I wasnt on line back then. I didn't come on line until Saturday 1st of March 2008.

After Nick's 35, EyeOneBlack ran 47 consecutive Remote Viewing Labs. He put his physical objects in a drawing of a six pointed star.

A friend gave me the link to saltcube on the 27th of July 2008 after I complained to her that I was miserable, cos our Psi-Dreams yahoogroups site had gone dead.

Eye was on his 30th Target.

It was amazing to watch as participants dreamed each others dreams as they tried to focus on "What's in EyeOneBlack's Star.

That was real off-the-scale stuff.

And, sadly, it's the only stuff that works for me.

I find trying to LD and OBE lonely and boring.

Originally Posted by debrajane

Hi Alric



“It is on the whole probable that we continually dream, but that consciousness makes such a noise that we do not hear it.” Carl Jung

I found this quote by Carl Jung on Bobbie Ann Pimm's site, January 5th, 2011, under Carl Jung, QuotesTags: Jung, Quotes

It is true for me, I think.

Nothing seems to work for me, lucid dreaming wise. I think there are different "spiecie's" of dreamers.

You "lucid dreaming" spiecies make so much noise as to make folk like me feel that your way of dreaming is the best way and the rest of "us" who can't do it, are just "dumb losers".

Nothing-much happens for me until folks start focusing-together on one thing. But when that starts happening ... WOW ... I start noticing both dream and waking-life coincidences (synchronizities).

I noticed this at first, on Nick's Saltcube site. When Nick Newport was known as Matt Jones, back in 2005 he helped run 35 consecutive Remote Viewing targets. These were physical objects that he put in a cardboard box and saltcubers aimed at getting lucid or else go OBE and visit the box to pick-up impression of the object in the box.

I wasnt on line back then. I didn't come on line until Saturday 1st of March 2008.

After Nick's 35, EyeOneBlack ran 47 consecutive Remote Viewing Labs. He put his physical objects in a drawing of a six pointed star.

A friend gave me the link to saltcube on the 27th of July 2008 after I complained to her that I was miserable, cos our Psi-Dreams yahoogroups site had gone dead.

Eye was on his 30th Target.

It was amazing to watch as participants dreamed each others dreams as they tried to focus on "What's in EyeOneBlack's Star.

That was real off-the-scale stuff.

And, sadly, it's the only stuff that works for me.

I find trying to LD and OBE lonely and boring.

..What?

Jeff, I agree with you on both posts.

DebraJane, I don't mean to offend you, but I don't understand half the things you go on about in your posts.

Jeff and Raspberry

I don't want to just endlessly talk, (argue and theorize). What we think is true today, about dreaming, will seem quaint and will ne giggled at, 100 years from now.

Folks everywhere (in my opinion) seem reluctant too ...

Well I don't even know what to call it. Honestly, I don't think there are words or concepts or even metaphors for it YET.

BUT

IT happens and IT is common.

But without the words to share IT, it stays practically invisible.

IT is what happens when folk gently focus on something SIMPLE with a giggley, happy, excitement as they drop-off to sleep.

The light-hearted, fun and friendly attitude is essential, for this to work, as the participants drop-off to sleep. (in my opinion).

I only got the first two installments of the amazing 103. I begged Nick not to send me any more 103 cos I don't want to just think, think, think about it or JUST talk, talk, talk about it (103).

I want to do the first two installments of 103.

Every time some one starts sharing with me I end up going to sleep with that gentle and light-hearted focus and connecting in dream-space with the one who talked on line with me.

So

I set up the Mandala and the beach between the Henley Beach Jetty and the Grange Beach Jetty, NEAR WHERE I LIVE.

I did this cos I am sure the "hooking-up" with real-life people, on the net, IN DREAMS, really, really happens.

It can be verified.

That is what the Mandala and the beach is ALL ABOUT.

VERIFICATION.

I love how this thread just turned into a fun house. It used to be about Newports stuff but now its about potatoes and other stuff.

I have watches his videos and I kinda liked them. I don't like how he is trying to sell his lucid dream stuff but his videos aren't that bad.

Thanx iFatal for your quick reply.

I have four log-ins at Nick saltcube, (ultravioletfrog, Hermit, RVevstasy and finally just DebraJane,my real name. A few days ago I went to open a fifth cos my other 4 image galleries have tooooo many photos in them.

When I went to open a new log-ins, called,mdrv (mutual dreamimg remote viewer), I got the message to purchase 102 and log-ins.

Well, I thought, since I really, really want a fresh photo gallery for my new thread called, "New Synchronicity Game" $35 seems a fair price, and I could always use a second 102. So I paid and opened my very important thread as mdrv.

Now I've forgotten my password for mdrv (ha!).


Anyway

101 is free

And

102 is blinking dirt cheap, $35.

Originally Posted by iFatal

I love how this thread just turned into a fun house. It used to be about Newports stuff but now its about potatoes and other stuff.

I have watches his videos and I kinda liked them. I don't like how he is trying to sell his lucid dream stuff but his videos aren't that bad.

Originally Posted by debrajane

102 is blinking dirt cheap, $35.

sorry but for some of us $35 is not something we can just go spend willy nilly

Has anyone here looked at the lucidology 102?

If so then what is your review.

Let me state this again. $35 for a heap of information that is already freely available and on this very site. $35 for basic lucid dreaming tutorials.

What utter tripe.

Originally Posted by Mario92

Let me state this again. $35 for a heap of information that is already freely available and on this very site. $35 for basic lucid dreaming tutorials.

What utter tripe.

That is utter tripe.

Where on this board is there directions for the shifted blackboard technique?

Where on this board is there directions for the computer menu visualisation technique?

Where on this board is there directions for the memory impression stabilisation technique?

Where on this board is the technique for quick switch OBE's?

Four years of research and practice went into honeing those techniques and $35 is extremely good value for money for them.

Originally Posted by mcwillis

That is utter tripe.

Where on this board is there directions for the shifted blackboard technique?

Where on this board is there directions for the computer menu visualisation technique?

Where on this board is there directions for the memory impression stabilisation technique?

Where on this board is the technique for quick switch OBE's?

Four years of research and practice went into honeing those techniques and $35 is extremely good value for money for them.

You know, these certainly sound like they're still funded on the same building blocks as all other methods, just with very specific spins. Can you show me that, say, visualizing a computer menu is any more effective than visualizing anything else, per either Naiya's visual MILD, or the V-WILD (both of which are available here)? Yes, there are hundreds of induction techniques. But no matter how many you know, it all comes down to hard work and effort. You will not find a magic bullet in this man's methods. I would like to point out that there are other free LD sites, and they also offer some specific tuts...like Caffeine Withdrawal. I know a couple people who use it and like it, but they were rather proficient lucid dreamers to begin with, and got there from hard work and effort. They also weren't afraid to experiment on their own. You need only look at the front page of this site to glimpse the hidden ingenuity in this community. People who have only had a few LD's coming up with new ways to fly or exercise other forms of dream control, or else taking the basic methods and refining them into something specific that works for them.

So if you think a few new induction techniques are gonna help, then by all means, go ahead and buy them. But it is my opinion that you're wasting your money.

Newport must love people like you...what would he do without ya.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

What a sucker. Newport must love people like you...what would he do without ya.

Aquanina

Just for the record.

The above

is

Harsh and Discouraging

And

Yes

It did, "Hurt my feelings"

Originally Posted by debrajane

Aquanina

Just for the record.

The above

is

Harsh and Discouraging

And

Yes

It did, "Hurt my feelings"

1. Welcome to the internet. We aren't always perfectly prim and proper here. And we aren't gonna change that.
2. Reading through this made me want to gouge my eyes out.

It's not like i'm going to actually buy his stuff I just wanted to see some of the reviews people gave it. Even if they were good I still wouldn't buy his lucidology 102. I already know everything he teaches in his videos.

Mario92

Actually, Mario92, that was between Aqunina and me, so please don't hurt your self on our account.