Thread: Stop Drop and Roll. Why Lucidology and Nicholas Newport are creating misinformation.

Hi Everyone.

I just wanted to put a warning out there for newbie lucid dreamers, and those of you who have perhaps come across the work of Nicholas Newport aka Lucidology.com or luciddreamtricks (on youtube).

It would seem that what we have here is an individual who is looking to promote themselves as an "expert" in the field of lucid dreaming to earn a quick buck
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However, it's important to note that Mr Newport, has no qualifications, history or any clear experience to justify his choosing to call himself an expert.
It does get worse though, having watched all his videos, I would warn any newbie lucid dreamer, to IGNORE his suggestions. You will be wasting your time.

Most if not all the information is incorrect at best. At worst it is completely misleading.

Also bear in mind that his ultimate goal is to convince you of his expertise so that you will then part with your cash for stage 2 of the course.

He uses an array of marketing and advertising tricks to try to fool you.
He firstly, has created his own language for lucid dreaming.
Including methods, terminology and buzz words.
He's basically trying to reinvent the wheel, so he can then claim he invented the wheel and sell it to you.
What right has he to invade the subject of lucid dreaming, call himself an expert, and then confuse and mislead people by creating new terminology for methods and terms that are embeded in the culture of lucid dreaming?

Secondly, he trys to blind you with "science". I put science in quotation marks, because it is far from science. It reminds me of infomercials, and shampoo adverts where they say "here comes the science bit", then show you a load of meaningless graphs and numbers, all that make no sense, just to confuse you into thinking they know what they are talking about.
He DOSN'T know what he is talking about.

Let me take an example:

In his STOP DROP AND ROLL video
A ten minute long video, that can basically be summed up in one sentence: "if you're trying to have a wild, don't move too much"

But here are the huge flaws in his theory:

He claims something called Mind Body Independence
saying: mind body independence. The mind never knows precisely what the body is doing and vice versa.

He then trys to prove this by stating that hair grows on your body, and your mind dosn't know about it, or that digestive systems work without the mind being aware of it.

Kind of vaguely true on the surface, but he takes these and other similar points, then draws the conclusion that: The body will test to see if the mind is asleep by sending (here comes his own terminology) roll over signals.

A roll over signal apparently is any urge to move, or any pain in the body, when trying to go to sleep. These are "test signals" being sent by the body, to test if the brain is asleep (rather than just maybe, being uncomfortable.)

What he fails to address is: WHERE IS THIS DECISION BEING MADE?
Which part of the body, independent from the brain chooses to send a signal to test the brain? The spleen? the testicles? the heart?

Also he fails to recognise that the mind and body are NOT INDEPENDENT
there are a complete system in constant communication via the NERVOUS SYSTEM.

He also fails to recognise that Sleep Paralysis (which he claims is a choice made by the body when it thinks the mind is asleep) is actually as far as science knows, controlled from within the brain pons region of the brain.


There are endless contradictions to science, the science of lucidity, basic biology etc. etc. etc. throughout his videos.

If i had the time, I would like to break down each of his videos and point out the flaws and misinformation in them. Unfortunatly I do not have the time.
May I suggest it possibly a DreamViews project, that intelligent memebers of the forum, help educate the new members to the misinformation in these videos?

Anyhow, just a warning.
Don't believe everything you seen on YouTube.
Be extra wary when someone is trying to sell you something, and trying to blind you with made up science and lots of graphs, that if you take the time to look at, actually MAKE NO SENSE.

Lucidolgy.com may not be exactly a scam in the classic sense of the word.
But it is certainly hugely misleading, misinformation and bad for the subject of lucid dreaming. Its close enough to a scam for my tastes.

Be warned.