Thread: Why are dreams so seldom talked about in everyday life?

Probably because historically it's been difficult to find a way to commodify dreams. Lucid dreaming is becoming more talked about now that there products on the market like Remee to induce them and mass media is starting to portray LDing.

Also as said before most people have shit dream recall.

There are religious and philosophical issues. While I think people who believe LDing to be an invention of the devil are in the minority, most people in a materialistic society consider dreams to be essentially unreal, and thus not worth their time.

Probably because historically it's been difficult to find a way to commodify dreams. Lucid dreaming is becoming more talked about now that there products on the market like Remee to induce them and mass media is starting to portray LDing.

Also as said before most people have shit dream recall.

There are religious and philosophical issues. While I think people who believe LDing to be an invention of the devil are in the minority, most people in a materialistic society consider dreams to be essentially unreal, and thus not worth their time.

As well as it actually requires effort, societies worst enemy.

Yep. Effort enthusiasm and lots of patience

Had a bit of an argument with the wife this morning re my new "interest" She's always tolerated my latest obsession but she definitely draws back over this one. I really wonder if there is a subliminal aversion to the subject in most people. Of course, it puts a degree of pressure on those of us who haven't yet achieved LD...still striving and not able to discuss it at home...but I might be worse for those who have...because they are maybe more missionary about what they KNOW to be the truth...and preaching to the unconverted, the patronising and the disinterested

Originally Posted by LukeSid

Had a bit of an argument with the wife this morning re my new "interest" She's always tolerated my latest obsession but she definitely draws back over this one. I really wonder if there is a subliminal aversion to the subject in most people. Of course, it puts a degree of pressure on those of us who haven't yet achieved LD...still striving and not able to discuss it at home...but I might be worse for those who have...because they are maybe more missionary about what they KNOW to be the truth...and preaching to the unconverted, the patronising and the disinterested

Subliminal, or ideological?

Originally Posted by LukeSid

Had a bit of an argument with the wife this morning re my new "interest" She's always tolerated my latest obsession but she definitely draws back over this one. I really wonder if there is a subliminal aversion to the subject in most people. Of course, it puts a degree of pressure on those of us who haven't yet achieved LD...still striving and not able to discuss it at home...but I might be worse for those who have...because they are maybe more missionary about what they KNOW to be the truth...and preaching to the unconverted, the patronising and the disinterested

Argued or debated?
You tend to get use to it. Some people just can't handle it. Keep it up and you'll be lucid before you know it. Keep a Dream Journal and maybe when she sees the lucids your having she'll get a better understanding of it, let her read it on her own don't force it on her. And don't argue, it leads to negativity, which for me makes it harder to LD.

Originally Posted by Subjects

I never really talked about dreams because i always thought a dream was just a dream, i was never taught that you could learn to lucid dream or even improve recall.( like nagirroc said, i was like most people and hadn't realized the potential of dreams yet) I had never even heard of lucid dreaming until a friend told me about it a year ago, but after learning about it i immediately went to research it xD i mean it was just so interesting, gaining consciousness in a dream or even controlling them.

Yeah, first learning about it was life changing, and to think it's been known about for thousands of years, and proven through science. It's strange how it's practically unheard of. Welcome to DV by the way Subjects, same to you LukeSid.

Originally Posted by Voldmer

I have recently read a book by Robert Moss, "Dreamgates". He appears to have made half a career out of that same belief. At least, the book is partly devoted to the idea that, in dreams, we may actually interact directly with those, who have passed on. And they may be completely unaware of being dead, because it seems like business as usual from their perspective - they are dreaming on!

More generally, there has long been an esoteric idea that there is an "Astral plane", which is teeming with life (including the physically dead people), and which may be entered into in an out-of-body experience. And some people do not distinguish between OOB's and lucid dreams.

Thanks for the info, I heard a little about Robert Moss and intend to buy a book from him, as far as astral projection goes, I've never experienced it, so I can't say much about it. Did he come off as extreme or does he seem pretty level headed?

Imo, I don't think we can directly interact with the dead, but who knows, I'm in the mindset that dream characters are creations of the dreamers mind.

Originally Posted by Nagirroc

Argued or debated?
You tend to get use to it. Some people just can't handle it. Keep it up and you'll be lucid before you know it. Keep a Dream Journal and maybe when she sees the lucids your having she'll get a better understanding of it, let her read it on her own don't force it on her. And don't argue, it leads to negativity, which for me makes it harder to LD.

It might make her worse Lol ""Where do you go and what do you do on these little trips of yours? You're up to something...I know it!"

Originally Posted by Ctharlhie

Subliminal, or ideological?

Do you mean because of religion?

"When I was a kid, I'd have an occasional random nightmare. One day my mother told me if I'm having a nightmare just change it, dream about something else"-Nagirroc


lol pretty much the same thing happened with me, I mean your the one who told me about LD`s but I use to have nightmares and if I died in that nightmare, id return to it..and usually with a weapon haha

I don't understand this either... Whenever I talk about keeping a dream journal, people tend to find it funny. There's something humorous about someone keeping a dream journal for some reason. Even after explaining to them that keeping a dream journal helps you to gain the power to control your dreams and have more of them. Even after explaining that you can have amazing experiences through dreams... Even after explaining that 8 or more hours every day are wasted through sleep... They *still* don't see the merit in dreaming.

I can't explain the lack of interest, but I can't say I really care either. It's their loss, and it's what makes lucid dreaming so special for the select few of us that do enjoy it. Think about a world where EVERYONE practiced Lucid Dreaming -- Lucid Dreaming wouldn't be so cool anymore, it'd just be a part of every person's life. No longer would us dreamers have the ability to preach the gospel of Lucid Dreaming like some kind of Guru or Dream Yogi ....

I guess that means I'm grateful for the lack of interest.

Even though I haven't achieved LD yet I already feel like I'm part of an elite club and we're here at the beginning of what might well be a Worldwide phenomenon. I also notice how civilised this forum is (anyone who ever looks at Youtube LiveLeaks etc knows exactly what I mean)

^yeah it is a very civilized forum, I would generally tend to say that people of higher intelligence tend to look into lucid dreaming. Thanks to that were not stuck with a bunch of stupid 11 year old trolls.

I want to tell my mother or any other family that I'm doing the lucid dreaming thing, but I'm rather unsure of the reaction I would get or if they would just laugh like most people would.

The conspiracy theorist in my thinks it's because dream control is the source of all magic, they are one and the same. Some shady characters don't want to share the power dream control gives, so they have belittled it.

Oddly enough, my friends like discussing and sharing dreams; the problem lies in that they're only fascinated with super awesome McBadass ones like surviving a zombie apocalypse, making buddies with robots, video game characters, celebrities etc.

Therefore, when someone inevitably talks about getting a more surreal dream like tap dancing with their aunt on a ravioli dance floor, they get blank stares... then the conversation focuses on someone else's dream of Gangnam styling with Rihanna or being covered in cream and a One Direction singer licking it off. I personally find it terrifically obnoxious.

Originally Posted by jackc45

I want to tell my mother or any other family that I'm doing the lucid dreaming thing, but I'm rather unsure of the reaction I would get or if they would just laugh like most people would.

You can perhaps go to a elder sibling or cousin, who can relate to you better. Worked for me.

Originally Posted by jackc45

I want to tell my mother or any other family that I'm doing the lucid dreaming thing, but I'm rather unsure of the reaction I would get or if they would just laugh like most people would.

I am thinking that if you demonstrate the usefulness of lucid dreaming practice through a noticeable change for the better (better attitude, better attention, better memory, etc), and then explain that lucid dreaming practice is what spurned on your improvements, then people are less likely to laugh at it. My boss has remarked that ever since I started LD practice, I have become healthier. For me LD practice has been so tied in with all kinds of self improvements that it is hard for those around me to be against it.

Originally Posted by Nagirroc

Thanks for the info, I heard a little about Robert Moss and intend to buy a book from him, as far as astral projection goes, I've never experienced it, so I can't say much about it. Did he come off as extreme or does he seem pretty level headed?

Imo, I don't think we can directly interact with the dead, but who knows, I'm in the mindset that dream characters are creations of the dreamers mind.

First off, I am sorry for the tardy answer; I had lost track of this thread.

Based on "Dreamgates", Robert Moss comes across as an unwavering believer in all he writes - regardless of how far it is from most "mainstream sceptics" point of view. This means he appears very extreme, but actually very down to earth and level headed at the same time - and friendly.

He seems to be tacitly splitting humanity into two groups, those who believe in something beyond the physical, and those who don't, and he speaks directly to the former group, whilst leaving the other group to itself. There is no trace of a "middle ground" in that book, but he doesn't antagonize or belittle the non-believing group; he simply ignores it. Sort of the way a writer on greek mythology would ignore people with no interest in greek mythology.

Originally Posted by jackc45

I want to tell my mother or any other family that I'm doing the lucid dreaming thing, but I'm rather unsure of the reaction I would get or if they would just laugh like most people would.

Wouldn't it be great if you could appear in one of your mother's dreams "Surprise!" That would impress her!

Originally Posted by LukeSid

Wouldn't it be great if you could appear in one of your mother's dreams "Surprise!" That would impress her!

That would be a really great way of telling her, Honestly I would be impressed with myself if I was to pull it off .

I feel the same way, bro. It's weird, because I'm not sure how she would react. Sometimes she doesn't like this stuff, sometimes she doesn't care. I can't hide it forever though, so I think I'll just let it happen.

The best part is, she can't stop me. Its my mind. She could get rid of my dream journals though, which would be bad for dream recall, but she can't stop me.


Anyways, I think people don't talk about it because people think dreams just, happen. I've always thought dreaming was about memory, but its about more than that.

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