Thread: Why are dreams so seldom talked about in everyday life?

When I was a kid, I'd have an occasional random nightmare. One day my mother told me if I'm having a nightmare just change it, dream about something else. So one night while witnessing something scary, no idea what it was anymore, I would realize in the dream I was having a nightmare, and wake myself up. So in theory, if I could realize in the dream I was dreaming, why couldn't I stay. Thus what peaked my natural curiosity in dreaming, plus the random adventures every night, and secret rooms that were only there when I slept. I still remember some dreams that happened when I was a kid, as if I dreamt it last night.

It wasn't till years later though till I stumbled across Ld4all, and eventually Dreamviews. Even though people find it taboo, it's nice to have a community where I can be free to talk about it and not have people think I'm into witchcraft or some shit. Be thankful for what we have in the meantime. I am.

To answer your other question, " Why are dreams so seldom talked about in everyday life?" Fuck if I know, wish they were though. It'd be nice to have an in depth conversation about it without sounding crazy.

Because Simon Cowell hasn't told the masses to like it yet.

because the every day person can't remember their dreams

^^^ That and people don't realize the potential of dreaming.

Couldn't agree more when i mention dreams to my friends and stuff they usually avoid the subject or show complete disinterest

Haha, I hear you all on this one. I talk about dreams all the time to my friends, but they are mostly not interested either. I always get the, "Don't get Yoshi started on dreaming" looks. If I'm ever telling anyone I've never told about it, I get the, "How do you do it?" Usually I keep the answer very brief. I'm not going to sit there and explain the whole process to someone who barely even cares, lol. I tell them to join DreamViews and I'll teach them, haha. None have though. Hey, it is their loss.

^^^Oh yeah, same situation. Whenever I talk about dreams I get lots of those weird looks. And strangely, I feel very uncomfortable talking about my lucid experiences too. Whatever I have done in lds doesn't seem to strike anyone as interesting. If only they knew what they are missing, but I can't even explain because they don't listen or care.

The only time they care is when they get a super disturbing nightmare and supposedly ask for help/discuss the dream, but then totally ignore anything I have to say on the matter. And to answer the OP question - I think it is because we (modern people) have learned to regard dreams as unimportant, upon waking up we totally dismiss anything that has happened in those mysterious hours.

It can sometimes be disappointing not to have others share our passion but hey we have DV and each of us has a whole dreamworld for himself! And that is fine too. Also, who knows, maybe those real life friends may join us one day when they become more open minded.

Could also be we're raised to be materialistic and to largely ignore nightly experiences as if they never happened or that they're not real. That and the word dream is constantly abused in a sense, like in advertisements such as the Australian dream cream I've been hearing on the radio, it kinda creates a barrier on the original meaning. Whenever I come across "Dream" in an ad nowadays, I just use it as a reality check.

I feel like a lot of people think that dreams should just come to them, or think they are affiliated with religion, and feel like they shouldn't be interfered with. I feel like people are in a way scared of the possibility of having complete control and the power to do anything. I think they're minds can't conceive it so they simply don't worry about dreams or lucid dreaming.

Agreed, I've spoken with a few people about it, and religion is one of the things they bring up, another topic that came up was Freud, and his puerile symbolism. (Love me some H.P. Lovecraft.)

Even though in religious terms dreams were deemed important were they not?
From Abrahamic to Hinduism abroad all deal in dreaming at one point or another I think. So why not indulge for the sake of enlightenment?

Maybe it's the idea of being godlike as well that some people find off putting, along with being unable to handle what their subconcious throws at them, it seems people prefer simplicity in their waking lifes and that having another life would be overwhelming.

For me it's the fact that we sleep over some twenty years of our lives, now why spend all that time unconscious when you could be experiencing so much more, and essentially be godlike and maybe even have some divine adventure along the way.

None the less more for us, some times I think that others are not meant to know and learn such a thing. Now, when I come across an ignorant close minded person, I leave them be, like an unnecessary dream character, but when I come across an open minded individual whom prefers intellectual conversations, I'm more likely to open up to them about it. I probably sound like a douchebag, haha, just got tired of getting stupid ass looks from people when I'm trying to enlighten them.

Originally Posted by Nagirroc

Even though in religious terms dreams were deemed important were they not?
From Abrahamic to Hinduism abroad all deal in dreaming at one point or another I think. So why not indulge for the sake of enlightenment?

Maybe it's the idea of being godlike as well that some people find off putting, along with being unable to handle what their subconcious throws at them, it seems people prefer simplicity in their waking lifes and that having another life would be overwhelming.

My subconscious basically told me that I don't believe in god. I had a dream that aliens were attacking, not sure why, but I'm running in a big city close to my town and after running for a while a security guard stopped me and said do you believe in god? i said yes and he replied, I have a big problem with that.

Interestingly, I became atheist a year after that dream, and feel lucid dreams are also a big reason why I don't believe god.

Originally Posted by Tye

My subconscious basically told me that I don't believe in god. I had a dream that aliens were attacking, not sure why, but I'm running in a big city close to my town and after running for a while a security guard stopped me and said do you believe in god? i said yes and he replied, I have a big problem with that.

Interestingly, I became atheist a year after that dream, and feel lucid dreams are also a big reason why I don't believe god.

Honestly I don't affiliate with any religion. In a way I don't think anyone is wrong, for what you believe is right. I do believe something greater than all of us, what it is I have no idea. Sometimes I believe that this less material dream life is our truer life, and that our vain presence on earth is itself the secondary to which we are bound.

I'm not a fan of organized religion cause of that thing I call the greed concept. You know, power attracts the corruptible and what not. I've literally came to the point when people start preaching their religion to me, and ask me what religion I am, I tell them "I'm a Dreamer." Mind equals fucked, but if that's their belief so be it, "Sure I'll look at your book, wanna see mine?" I'm fine with preaching I do it with lucid dreaming like I said, but one shouldn't force or even kill a fellow dreamer for their belief. Dreaming is the one thing we all have in common.

To each his own. It's your mind, where do you want it to take you? Rhetorical question really. For me, I hope after life is like lucid dreaming. That's what I want to believe, to be able to live within a creation of my own with the knowledge I've accumulated with my time here. Although for all I know I'm out in left field here.

I cant even talk to my family about LDing because they just dont give a crap. My friends didn't mind learning about it and I found out one of them has had a couple lucid dreams. But I don't really talk about it anymore. Probably because I haven't really tried to have a lucid dream in a while. I mean Ill go to bed thinking about it, but dont practice like I did a year ago. Guess my minds just been occupied. But I can really use an LD in my life right now, just so I can be more alive and do things I currently am to scared to do in my waking life. Lucid dreams are fucking awesome

Originally Posted by NrElAx

I cant even talk to my family about LDing because they just dont give a crap. My friends didn't mind learning about it and I found out one of them has had a couple lucid dreams. But I don't really talk about it anymore. Probably because I haven't really tried to have a lucid dream in a while. I mean Ill go to bed thinking about it, but dont practice like I did a year ago. Guess my minds just been occupied. But I can really use an LD in my life right now, just so I can be more alive and do things I currently am to scared to do in my waking life. Lucid dreams are fucking awesome

The hardest thing about lucid dreaming seems to be talking about it with other people, they're very few that have the slightest fucking clue when we do open up about it. That's why I love DV. I don't even have a facebook anymore cause I felt it was a distraction, it really seems to disconnect people from a social life, making it more fragmented in a way.
Now if people want to talk to me they can call me, you find out who your real friends are compared to over the hundred or so people who probably forgot I existed, or who I really didn't know at all.

Why'd you get out of it? I've made it a life long goal to document every dream I remember. One day I want my bookshelf to be filled with my dream journals, and every logical book on dreaming I can find.
Right next to me alchemy lab....

Get to it!

Originally Posted by Nagirroc

To each his own. It's your mind, where do you want it to take you? Rhetorical question really. For me, I hope after life is like lucid dreaming. That's what I want to believe, to be able to live within a creation of my own with the knowledge I've accumulated with my time here. Although for all I know I'm out in left field here.

I also imagine that if there is an after life it will be like a lucid dream, you're actually the first person I've met that has the same views of an afterlife as me. Thank you, at least i'm not alone on this now.

Originally Posted by Tye

I also imagine that if there is an after life it will be like a lucid dream, you're actually the first person I've met that has the same views of an afterlife as me. Thank you, at least i'm not alone on this now.

We're a rare breed indeed, there's probably many other dreamers here, with a similar belief, I wouldn't be surprised at least.

I've always discussed my interests with my wife but I can sense she thinks this one is "slightly potty" Why? It's not Star Signs or Spiritualism. We all dream (although, until we dabble we don't realise how often, how strangely and how fascinating the subject is) Although I'm not lucid yet, I'm on a voyage of discovery and I'm learning fascinating things about the workings of the human brain...and I'm loving it.

Maybe we're a vanguard. I consider myself spiritual...but definitely not religious. I have a layman's knowledge of astronomy, Bhuddism, quantum theory, (another taboo subject with my wife - I know my family think I'm a bit weird) I'm a "what's it all about - where are we going" person...perhaps most of us are here. I think a lot about such things.

Based on current scientific knowledge I know roughly how the Universe started, how suns ignited and died and formed new suns, how the elements were forged in these suns, how Worlds formed, why the sky is blue and so many seemingly magic things about matter. I repeat, I'm a layman...we can all access this information nowadays. In some respects we can be more enlightened than Bhudda would have been...although he was light years ahead on meditation and mindfullness etc.

But most people don't want to know. They don't execute such people nowadays (well not in most countries) but we are slightly apart from other people... slightly oddball perhaps. That's why I've taken to this forum so easily...and I only joined it two days ago!

I've had another thought (one reason why I'll find mindfullness so difficult to achieve...I'm usually away with the fairies, thinking of new things) I tried KingYoshi's Wilding Guide last night...and realised I must learn to walk before I run...no SP and I didn't even recall a dream. He talks about HH and HI and everyone presumably experiences those...but 99% forget their dreams and experiences...or do they? Maybe there's a natural deep-seated subliminal aversion to dream talk...like most people's natural aversion to spiders...because their subconscious remembers, and avoids such subjects. There's growing belief that racial memory can be genetically passed on and our ancestors feared such things ('e'g the old hag myth, which was presumably SP?) I had 2 HI's before I knew about DL and I found it mind-blowing..and I'm supposedly more civilised and knowledgeable nowadays?

Yesterday I was so excited about my LD that I brought up the subject with a stranger in a hallway bathroom at my work, and she insisted she never dreams and looked at me like I am a total weirdo of course. I tried to save my rep by pointing out that even if she does not remember her dreams, she does dream and they can influence her waking mood, she looked skeptical and clearly did not think this worth her while. Oh, well, her loss! Some people just don't have any memories of dreams and no interest. With strangers that does not bother me that much, but I am a bit bothered that my husband has no interest in dreams - he still gets an earful about them regularly of course because when I get obsessed about something and given how talkative I am, there is no choice for someone around me, but I wish he would share this interest.

Originally Posted by Tye

I also imagine that if there is an after life it will be like a lucid dream, you're actually the first person I've met that has the same views of an afterlife as me. Thank you, at least i'm not alone on this now.

I have recently read a book by Robert Moss, "Dreamgates". He appears to have made half a career out of that same belief. At least, the book is partly devoted to the idea that, in dreams, we may actually interact directly with those, who have passed on. And they may be completely unaware of being dead, because it seems like business as usual from their perspective - they are dreaming on!

More generally, there has long been an esoteric idea that there is an "Astral plane", which is teeming with life (including the physically dead people), and which may be entered into in an out-of-body experience. And some people do not distinguish between OOB's and lucid dreams.

Personally, is finding out how the brain comes up with these kind of experiences. There's so many theories about dreaming, I'd love to study and help coming up with more answers about this event

Zoth I'm also interested in how the brain interprets our experiences. Although I've mentioned the following elsewhere I'll repeat my findings so far. I followed Naiya's tip about deciding what to dream about. I chose Caister Beach in Suffolk-a brilliant starry night -flying a bit, down to outside Caister holiday camp and listening to rock'n'roll music playing inside, then fireworks in the distance. Accepting that some detail gets lost in remembering and writing down, I got someone saying to me they worked in "the holiday camp" - me standing on a cliff-top (sea behind) staring through a chicken-wire fence at a crazy house with strange multi-coloured annexes atop it OK, I thought, at least I got the sea and a vocal reference.Next time I got a close-knit jumbled community of tiny sparsely-furnished houses and alleyways No connection I thought.. perhaps there is., Could the house #1. annexes be my brain trying to create chalets and the small houses in dream 2 be a slightly more successful attempt? Could the cliff-top be my brain attempting to make sand-dunes? Is the schema I create in the preconscious mind not detailed enough? Although I concentrate on the image am I not mindful enough? I going to continually retry, cut out the flying and the stars etc and really concentrate on the dunes, their height in relation to me, the seagrass in them, the stout fence at the camp and neat rows of chalet huts and see whether I can improve the dream (I'm not lucid yet BTW)

At least we don't have to go through that whole burn the witch scenario. It's more of, let us stare at this crazy guy who says he can fly. >.<

If the day ever comes that some gifted people can meet each other lucidly in a dream plain, they better keep it damn quiet though