Thread: Extremely odd Lucid ability.

one of the most interesting posts I came across for a longer time now. thanks a lot for sharing your experiences, shows again how little we still know of the giant world of dreaming.

Cheers
Thorim

Very interesting topic. One of the only ones where I actually top to read all of the posts. Thank you for sharing your experience. I will be watching this post.

time dilation, ya I got to bring up a surgery event that happened to me, I had a grapefruit sized lump that could of been Cancer for all I knew, but on to my story: To see If this lump was inflamed by Cancer, I needed a giant needle in my neck, ya don't ask how that felt, I cant tell you because of what happened when the event happened, it wasn't cancer and that's all that matters. I had some kind of panic come over me when this thing entered my neck, green flashing lights were around all corners of my eye, and suddenly I vividly saw my body with needle still in and flew away, all the way to where I used to fish with my brother when we were kids in quarryville pa , I hadn't seen this location in 15 years yet it looked 100% like the creek and trees in front of our old house, (in resent years I took a trip and it was exact to my vision) during this event I turned into a kind of animistic spirit and just flew over this creek down to the old quarry where the kid's used to jump off into the one deep hole. This was an amazing thing it went on for what at lest, in my opinion to be 15-20 minutes, suddenly I was ripped and dragged from this into a giant black abyss and eventually opened my eyes, the doter who had the needle still in my neck said are you OK? I was thinking how could I be even slightly OK being out so long I asked he said you looked a little faint and that I appeared to have passed out for 1min:10 seconds. I thought to myself and realized instantly what I thought had really happened, I had been in a severe state of sleep paralysis, and had a very vivid false awaking. I used to suffer from sleep paralysis when I was younger and that is exactly what it was like having. But latter on that day I realized something fishy tho, dreams are in real time this most certainly was not. Theirs more to our conscious being then we and scientist understand.

Time flies when your having fun
so if your doing something boring, its gonna last forever. Well that's what i think anyway

Originally Posted by elucid

Interesting, my theory about this is that since you are sitting down and doing pretty much nothing, it calms you down and as you calm down, your dream stabilizes. So then in theory, just about anything that is boring or will calm you down in your dream should make the dream stabilize and last much longer than normal.

If this is the case, then I recommend that you can like Skully suggested, use a blank white space and stay there or just stay in a regular environment but instead of being excited and flying, just simply walk around for a few minutes, or if you wish to go to the extreme for a few days. It should stabilize the dream.

Yeah. Doing nothing is something I do to prolong dream time. Sit down, and just look around for as long as I can.

Originally Posted by pointofbeing

time dilation, ya I got to bring up a surgery event that happened to me, I had a grapefruit sized lump that could of been Cancer for all I knew, but on to my story: To see If this lump was inflamed by Cancer, I needed a giant needle in my neck, ya don't ask how that felt, I cant tell you because of what happened when the event happened, it wasn't cancer and that's all that matters. I had some kind of panic come over me when this thing entered my neck, green flashing lights were around all corners of my eye, and suddenly I vividly saw my body with needle still in and flew away, all the way to where I used to fish with my brother when we were kids in quarryville pa , I hadn't seen this location in 15 years yet it looked 100% like the creek and trees in front of our old house, (in resent years I took a trip and it was exact to my vision) during this event I turned into a kind of animistic spirit and just flew over this creek down to the old quarry where the kid's used to jump off into the one deep hole. This was an amazing thing it went on for what at lest, in my opinion to be 15-20 minutes, suddenly I was ripped and dragged from this into a giant black abyss and eventually opened my eyes, the doter who had the needle still in my neck said are you OK? I was thinking how could I be even slightly OK being out so long I asked he said you looked a little faint and that I appeared to have passed out for 1min:10 seconds. I thought to myself and realized instantly what I thought had really happened, I had been in a severe state of sleep paralysis, and had a very vivid false awaking. I used to suffer from sleep paralysis when I was younger and that is exactly what it was like having. But latter on that day I realized something fishy tho, dreams are in real time this most certainly was not. Theirs more to our conscious being then we and scientist understand.

If you got that dreams have the same time as real time, I think you got that from Inception. Dreams can be longer or shorter. Or did you meant something else?

You know how people say when you think you're about to die, your life flashes before you in what seems like a few minutes but is really a few seconds? I think that is proof that time dilation is in fact possible, however hard to naturally produce.

This reminds me a lot of a dream I had within a dream. I was sleeping just dreaming like every night and I went to sleep in my dream. I started dreaming again kinda like inception. This new dream felt really unstable and ethereal. I can't actually remember how long I was dreaming but I think it was for a while because I woke up from this dream into the first one and continued dreaming for a while. I find this incredibly interesting and I think it would be possible to extend time by dreaming within a dream.

I would really like some scientists to jump in here and explain if this is possible physically.

I doubt there has been a lot of research on this subject.

I've "lost" touch with reality once when i was dreaming as a kid
i woke up and was like "whoa! Oh yea...reality" It felt a little weird for like 30-1 hour but it wore off.I don't know why i lost reality it was kinda long
but i woke up spontaneously

Well all I can say about this is that I know I have been alive for almost 17 years. When i try to recall my entire past i cant remember every day or even every year. Certain recent memories seem so far off and memories from 10-13 years ago seem like they were yesterday. Time means more to us now and in the future than the past does. we know there was a past but we cant remember it all. We know whats happening now. I do not remember most of today yet I know that the time passed but thinking about it seems only a few minutes. Time dilation in waking life??? Adding on to this from my own dream experiences I have had dreams that have skipped ahead but when it skipped it implanted false memories into my mind of everything that happened inbetween the times it skipped.

Basically I can have a dream over a week in one night and maybe three out of seven days i actually dream yet I remember all seven. or at least key events. My mind automatically fills in the space between instantly so I can imagine that on a larger scale and it would be just like real life. A few minutes can seem like an eternity because only the now really matters and the then can be filled in instantly

This is amazing, if true, and I'm not calling the OP a liar. I'm just... I guess.. incapable of grasping it fully.

Do you think that perhaps you just, sort of, stretched your perception of time to make it feel like two years? With how bad my recall is I can't fathom having 2 years of dream time pass and remembering enough to be able to say, with confidence, that it happened.

Well, this lucid dream stuff gets curiouser and curiouser *lol spelling fail maybe?* but what i mean is I am quite gullible and well I kinda got less gullible after a while and now I can barely believe a thing so I can't fully grasp the truth or lucid dreams because every new topic I see seems more and more ludicrous. I am not saying I am not fascinated by the concept but its hard to grasp I try and try T_T. Man I am really gunna try to buckle down and get to my first lucid. Back on topic this is interesting once i get the hang of lucid dreams i will . . . No must! attempt this I love the idea of this!

This really does sound like something from inception "That's a week the first level down, six months the second level down, third level... ten years. Who would wanna be stuck in a dream for ten years?" But if this is really possible... wow. But I must say, I'm a bit skeptical

Anyone managed to get into the white space and stare at the clock yet?

Originally Posted by Freemymind93

Who would wanna be stuck in a dream for ten years?

That would be pretty cool for a while!

@aleksmy: No, I haven't even thought about it yet.

I have only had one dream where I didn't wake up within 2 min of becoming lucid, and that lasted 10 min. So I want to get a bit better before I try this out I think.

Am I the only one here who has never seen Inception?

Anyway, I had a rather disappointing thought. The mind is often fooled by illusions of it's own making. Is it not possible that someone could dream parts of a two year experience (say a few minutes of each day) and then have the details sort of filled in when trying to recall the dream? I have read that dreams that seem to last a long time are in reality illusions of this sort. It has been likened to watching a movie that uses editing and cinemetography to give the effect of time passing.

It seems to me the only way we could know for sure is through experimentation. I believe LaBerge's experiment involved someone making eye movements as he counted off what he percieved to be seconds in a lucid dream.

cedward. That is exactly what can happen. Ive tried to look back WITHIN a dream and realized that some things didnt really happen but were filled in by my mind. So with something like that you can easily dream 2 years within 10 minutes and at the end of the two years still in the dream you can look back and think of almost every major event of the dream as you would in real life.

Does anyone here know if neural impulses can be this fast? Two years in one REM cycle seems a bit extreme, I can believe a convincing lucid representation of two years could occur, but an actual span of two years.. I doubt that. However if it is true the possibilities for this technique are amazing.

But hang on, if all you're doing is staring at a clock in white space, there's surely no point in extending the dream.
I'm still confused - you say you lived your dream life, but then you say you have to keep staring at a clock.

Well, to me, if you can't do anything else while extending time, it's mostly useless.

My lucid dream time is too precious to waste trying things like that anyway, I would prefer to regularly use normal stabilizing tricks, and have fun while the dream lasts.

how come none of the supposed 'pro' lucid dreamers with 5+ LDs a night give anything like this a try? I hardly see them in any threads like this in general. Makes you wonder

It sounds possible, have you ever went to sleep one lazy morning, had a nice long dream, then woke up and realized only 3 minutes passed by?
That's time dilation at work.
Whether this is healthy or not is another thing. Spending a week in a dream world seems maddening, let alone having to wake up from 2 years only to realize that a few hours passed by.
Amazing really, will definitely be trying this when I become more experienced. The human mind is an AMAZING thing. Truly amazing.