Thread: Is OBE a form of Lucid Dreaming or not?

Originally Posted by MrTransitory

Nope, no floating. I always feel restrained to begin with where I can move my eyes and....spine. When I roll out of my body, and then stand up, I am on my feet. Every WILD I've done never results in a further state beyond this: I am always in this altered version of my waking surroundings. I can't seem to enter 'a dream', so it's pretty boring actually. Because of this, I now tend to favour DILDs.

give it to me then

great thread all. cheers

MrTransitory its interesting, it would also be interesting to see what boundaries such an experience has compared to something like lucid dreaming. For example how far you could walk before things get weird(if they ever do), then returning to check if your body is where you left it , checking dates and times and seeing if the same reality checks for LDs apply in your OBE.

My transitions into LD's are like Mr T's as well. I normally roll out of my body and often times see my sleeping meatsack on the bed still. Normally I slip into a lucid dream pretty quick. Without proper training it's very, very hard to maintain the OBE frequency that's right next to the physical one, so I am normally only in my room briefly before slipping somewhere else.
-K

Ketsuyume, I heard that one way to remain in a lucid state, when you feel yourself slipping, is to fall backwards. I wonder if that can also be applied to an OBE to stabilize it.

Originally Posted by Ketsuyume

My transitions into LD's are like Mr T's as well. I normally roll out of my body and often times see my sleeping meatsack on the bed still. Normally I slip into a lucid dream pretty quick. Without proper training it's very, very hard to maintain the OBE frequency that's right next to the physical one, so I am normally only in my room briefly before slipping somewhere else.
-K

awesome cheers for clearing that up. do you feel you will ever be able to maintain the frequency that holds you in the real world?

@ Whiterain,

It's never quite the, "real world." I've used this analogy before, but think of it like Zelda's, Light World and the Dark World in, A Link to the Past. (Pull them up, compare side by side.) Anyone who has played the video game knows that the two worlds are linked... when something is affected in one world, it's also affecting the other. I guarantee the game designers were basing these concepts off of... other concepts. They weren't just pulling these ideas out of their asses.

So yeah, with training it's possible to maintain a frequency close to this one... but simply learning how to Lucid Dream at night is normally not enough. Meditative training and disciplined mind focus routines almost seem necessary... otherwise you'll never really have a chance to explore. You'll most likely only pass through the locale briefly in order to find yourself in the dream world... or when you return from the dream world right before you return to your physical body, you normally pass through it again.

It also seems the level of focus, discipline, etc... can affect just how "accurate" you perceive things when comparing what you might see in the OBE frequency to the real life one. People have reported things like... thinking someone was "sorting" through a bunch of envelopes when they were really playing cards, etc... but as you train your mind, things tend to appear more and more as they should. (Maybe you can get it to like 99.9% accuracy, but it's in all technicality impossible for 100%... I think.)

I speak from limited, but what I consider to be real experience, as well as dozens of accounts I've read... and just putting everything together the best I've come to understand it.

-K

Originally Posted by Ketsuyume

@ Whiterain,

It's never quite the, "real world." I've used this analogy before, but think of it like Zelda's, Light World and the Dark World in, A Link to the Past. (Pull them up, compare side by side.) Anyone who has played the video game knows that the two worlds are linked... when something is affected in one world, it's also affecting the other. I guarantee the game designers were basing these concepts off of... other concepts. They weren't just pulling these ideas out of their asses.

So yeah, with training it's possible to maintain a frequency close to this one... but simply learning how to Lucid Dream at night is normally not enough. Meditative training and disciplined mind focus routines almost seem necessary... otherwise you'll never really have a chance to explore. You'll most likely only pass through the locale briefly in order to find yourself in the dream world... or when you return from the dream world right before you return to your physical body, you normally pass through it again.

It also seems the level of focus, discipline, etc... can affect just how "accurate" you perceive things when comparing what you might see in the OBE frequency to the real life one. People have reported things like... thinking someone was "sorting" through a bunch of envelopes when they were really playing cards, etc... but as you train your mind, things tend to appear more and more as they should. (Maybe you can get it to like 99.9% accuracy, but it's in all technicality impossible for 100%... I think.)

I speak from limited, but what I consider to be real experience, as well as dozens of accounts I've read... and just putting everything together the best I've come to understand it.

-K

fantastic explanation thanks alot you made it very clear. sorry for all the questions

The first time I ever WILDed was when my friend was sleeping on my room floor. We both tried to WILD, but he was unsuccessful and fell asleep. I transitioned, rolled out of my body (without realising this). I saw my friend on the floor sleeping, and thought 'shit, I failed.' I got up, turned around, and saw myself. I freaked out fearfully and with excitement. I woke my friend up: he sat up, looked around as if he didn't see me, and then laid back down. I became scared at this point, and so laid on top of myself to get back to sleep. My friend, in the morning, was adamant that he did wake up, confused when he did.

Despite this, I still think it was coincidence. And it was certainly a dream. Nonetheless, this motivated me to keep LDing.