Heard this on another site.

**MrTransitory** · 11-29-2010 06:59 PM

^ What he said. And it's even amusing to entertain the insalubrious effects of sleeping less than 8.5 hours when, arguably, (1) most people don't sleep the 'required hours' per night at the outset, and (2) the amount of sleep needed varies between individuals and day by day.

**Hukif** · 11-29-2010 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by Aquanina

Sorry, no...Walms is not right.

Since when does WILDing involve depriving yourself of sleep for 2 nights? Oh, it doesn't.

WILD is by NO means synonymous with ANY loss of sleep. A WILD is not the same thing as a WBTB. If I try a WILD in the middle of the day...how am I losing sleep? Wouldn't I be gaining sleep? Do you have a different definition of "sleep"? Please educate me.

Are you for serious? I said WILD requires loss of sleep, but its too little to count (The part where you attain SP), then I said that some people do unhealty things to attain WILDs, here I'm not referring to WILD itself, thought this would be pretty obvious but apparently not <.<

Come on, stop trying to put words on my mouth aquanina, thats not nice, especially if you are going to get all "light-insulting" when going at it. Oh right, light insulting refers to the tone I percieve from your post, in case that isn't obvious either.

Edit: I totally agree with Oneironaut, just arguing because Aquanina is blaming me about something I didn't say. As I never said WILD makes you lose a considerable amount of sleep, but the people who practice it (Sometimes).

**PXUmais** · 11-29-2010 10:40 PM

The only thing I got from Walms post was: "You do lose a little sleep, but it doesn't matter unless you do it excessively".. I don't see much wrong with that post IMO. Surprised people are arguing on fairly trivial things.

**Mzzkc** · 11-29-2010 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by Aquanina

Since when does WILDing involve depriving yourself of sleep for 2 nights?

I know of people that do this to invoke REM rebound in order to WILD more 'easily.'

Originally Posted by Aquanina

WILD is by NO means synonymous with ANY loss of sleep. A WILD is not the same thing as a WBTB.

The act of WILDing doesn't cost any sleep (unless you're doing it wrong, which happens very often), but that WBTB, which many methods demand, is going to cost you a few seconds to a few minutes of sleep. Unless you have a different definition of sleep, that is.

But like Walms said in the first place, that's such an insignificant number you might as well not count it.

What should be counted are f-ed up attempts where people lie in bed for an hour or more waiting for signs of SP or some other silly thing. If you screw up a WILD in that fashion during the night, and can't account for it in the morning, you're going to lose sleep.

But like O said, that's the fault of the person more than anything else.

So I'm not really sure what all this arguing is about, as it's apparent everyone is already in agreement about WILD being harmless.

**MrTransitory** · 11-29-2010 11:15 PM

Ultimately, if you're an accomplished WILDer, then you won't lose sleep. If you're not, then you will DEFINITELY lose sleep if you insist on its success.

**nina** · 11-30-2010 03:40 AM

Ok, so then...we all agree? lol

**greenhavoc** · 11-30-2010 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Aquanina

Ok, so then...we all agree? lol

Cthulhu says ," Not by a long shot."
[;,;] rarr!

**nightronics** · 12-01-2010 12:14 AM

Well this was slightly longer of a thread than i thought lol
thanks all for your answers!

**bellatrix18** · 12-03-2010 01:56 PM

That's like saying pencils are unhealthy, because some idiot will end up stabbing himself in the trachea with one!

Hilarious!

**moongrass** · 12-04-2010 01:38 AM

@ previous. yes I totally agree!

**mcwillis** · 12-04-2010 01:44 AM

The first post reminds me of a book called, 'Experiment in Depth: Study of the work of Eliot, Jung & Toynbee' by Percival William Martin. By the way it is a dangerous book, not to be fooled around with.

**moongrass** · 12-04-2010 02:47 AM

what do you mean dangerous?

**mcwillis** · 12-04-2010 02:51 AM

Originally Posted by moongrass

what do you mean dangerous?

Like the first post describes if you open doors in your unconscious mind and you can't handle the horrendous consequences you're in a lot of trouble because those opened doors can't always be closed again.

Dangerous - How about spending the rest of your life completely demented in a secure psychiatric hospital.

**Hukif** · 12-04-2010 03:04 AM

If you are already psychotic, that sounds fun, but yeah, it refers to working with stuff you may regret working with <.<

**moongrass** · 12-04-2010 07:50 PM

wow, that is intense stuff!

**Snowboy** · 12-04-2010 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by mcwillis

Like the first post describes if you open doors in your unconscious mind and you can't handle the horrendous consequences you're in a lot of trouble because those opened doors can't always be closed again.

I've heard something similar to that, except it concerned OBEs.

**Raspberry** · 12-04-2010 10:14 PM

I think he just watched Inception and got the wrong idea or something. I love the movie, but I think it makes people think of LDing in a bit of a wrong way. I'm just glad I discovered lucid dreaming before the movie came out.

**mcwillis** · 12-04-2010 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by Snowboy

I've heard something similar to that, except it concerned OBEs.

If you read the above book that I have described you won't find a hint of OBE's.

**Snowboy** · 12-04-2010 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by mcwillis

If you read the above book that I have described you won't find a hint of OBE's.

I wasn't referring to the book you described, I was merely relating to something you said.

**Dash** · 12-05-2010 02:42 AM

WILDing and LDing is not dangerous at all. It's just a dream.

**mcwillis** · 12-05-2010 02:46 AM

Originally Posted by Snowboy

I wasn't referring to the book you described, I was merely relating to something you said.

I see that now. Sorry.

**mcwillis** · 12-05-2010 02:49 AM

Originally Posted by Dash

WILDing and LDing is not dangerous at all. It's just a dream.

Oh really. Translocate yourself to the essence of one of the major world religions and attempt to manipulate it and you will found out how dangerous lucid dreaming can be. At best you will be instantly converted to the religion, at worst it will send you permanently insane.

**Hukif** · 12-05-2010 02:52 AM

Oh that reminds me, can I find the book you mentioned on internet? Always interested on getting more books saved on my comp <.<

**mcwillis** · 12-05-2010 02:59 AM

Originally Posted by Walms

Oh that reminds me, can I find the book you mentioned on internet? Always interested on getting more books saved on my comp <.<

You can have a preview at google books but obviously some pages are omitted. abe.com is a good place to buy it.

**Snowboy** · 12-05-2010 03:51 AM

Originally Posted by mcwillis

Translocate yourself to the essence of one of the major world religions and attempt to manipulate it and you will found out how dangerous lucid dreaming can be. At best you will be instantly converted to the religion, at worst it will send you permanently insane.

That would be interesting! Anybody willing to try it?