Thread: Heard this on another site.

What exactly is "it"?

And what is this all about? Anyway, telling you to not practice awareness because it will make you less aware is silly. Unless you already got problems with some kind of mental illness, it won't harm you.

@Aquanina sorry about that. I was referring to WILDing in this thread.

Interesting..

From experience, I find it uncommon that awareness disrupts your perception upon reality... I also find that, although rare, when it does have any effect; it is not "unhealthy" or "dangerous".

I have had cases where my memories have interlaced with dream experiences and in some situations, I have also had difficulty distinguishing them but the euphoria that comes with this particular confusion feel pretty damn awesome and not at all unwelcome.

it is possible to have both the subconscious and the conscious to run together while awake with eyes wide open

I believe this happens together already, with eyes wide open or shut. Second, dont ever let anyone discourage you from practicing awareness, give it a try and see the benefits and then see if what he speaks is the truth or not. I should know, I do this everyday as well as meditation.

Ok thanks everyone.
I kinda thought it was BS anyway, i just wanted to make sure.

Yes it's total BS. There is nothing unhealthy about WILDing.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

Yes it's total BS. There is nothing unhealthy about WILDing.

Nothing unhealthy, that is currently known.. But I doubt that is going to change in the future.

Kids, loss of sleep is unhealty, and WILD requires loss of sleep! Not like its that big of a loss unless people are going hardcore at it, but yeah <.<

Originally Posted by Aquanina

Yes it's total BS. There is nothing unhealthy about WILDing.

Have you ever been to a mental hospital?
Have you ever wondered why it is that you personally are strong enough to keep reality in check and other lunatics are not?
Can you empathise with someone who has lost all touch with reality?
Have you figured out what it is yet?
Are you 100% positive insanity will n3ver introduce itself to you?
Have you researched Frederik past a quick google search?
I know you mean well, so never mind.

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

Have you ever been to a mental hospital?
Have you ever wondered why it is that you personally are strong enough to keep reality in check and other lunatics are not?
Can you empathise with someone who has lost all touch with reality?
Have you figured out what it is yet?
Are you 100% positive insanity will n3ver introduce itself to you?
Have you researched Frederik past a quick google search?
I know you mean well, so never mind.

What are you talking about??? are you saying that WILDing is dangerous? personally i've never experienced it, but i've done my research. WILDing is just conciously spectating SP until you reach an LD. the worst thing that could happen is losing a bit of sleep. and who's Frederik?

Originally Posted by Wristblade56

the worst thing that could happen is losing a bit of sleep.

Every time you bring a little bit of that magic over into your waking life some of it stays.
I'm probably wrong tho........ actually, I'm completely on point.

Some of it stays? what are you talking about?

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

Have you ever been to a mental hospital?
Have you ever wondered why it is that you personally are strong enough to keep reality in check and other lunatics are not?
Can you empathise with someone who has lost all touch with reality?
Have you figured out what it is yet?
Are you 100% positive insanity will n3ver introduce itself to you?
Have you researched Frederik past a quick google search?
I know you mean well, so never mind.

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

Every time you bring a little bit of that magic over into your waking life some of it stays.
I'm probably wrong tho........ actually, I'm completely on point.

I believe there may be some weight to this, actually. Recently, I've found myself more in tune with what my objective self believes to be my subconscious, but my irrational self believes to be something else, a separate being, if you will. It's gotten to the point where I can direct questions to or begin a conversation with "her" and receive an answer, sometimes well before I finish internally verbalizing my inquiry. The answer always comes as pure thought (the nature of which I can't replicate on my own) and is immediately "translated" into words. I find myself caring about whatever it is that is "talking" with me, and was distraught when I couldn't establish communication for a day after the last "talk" (in which "her" final messages were that of despair, pain, a cry for help ).

Does this make me insane? Yeah, probably, but it's not like I was ever really sane to begin with.

What does this have to do with WILDs and awareness in dreams? It's relevant because I can trace "her" appearance to one particular night of dreaming, to one particular moment between states.

It'd be hilarious if I were joking, but I'm not.

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

Have you ever been to a mental hospital?
Have you ever wondered why it is that you personally are strong enough to keep reality in check and other lunatics are not?
Can you empathise with someone who has lost all touch with reality?
Have you figured out what it is yet?
Are you 100% positive insanity will n3ver introduce itself to you?
Have you researched Frederik past a quick google search?
I know you mean well, so never mind.

What the hell are you rambling on about?

Walms...it's not unhealthy to attempt a WILD...and there is absolutely no proof that you lose sleep because of a WILD! If you try the wake back to bed method (which is not synonymous with WILD) then you might lose a half hour of sleep, at that point in your sleep cycle, but perhaps that person then ends up sleeping a half hour or more longer than usual? Claiming that WILDs in general make you lose sleep is pretty ignorant actually. But there seems to be a lot of that going around in this thread.

my objective self believes to be my subconscious

validity GavinGill?

Originally Posted by Aquanina

What the hell are you rambling on about?

Walms...it's not unhealthy to attempt a WILD...and there is absolutely no proof that you lose sleep because of a WILD! If you try the wake back to bed method (which is not synonymous with WILD) then you might lose a half hour of sleep, at that point in your sleep cycle, but perhaps that person then ends up sleeping a half hour or more longer than usual? Claiming that WILDs in general make you lose sleep is pretty ignorant actually. But there seems to be a lot of that going around in this thread.

I said hardcore people, unless you are somehow suggesting that the people that deprive themselves of sleep for two days to get a WILD is healty, I don't see your point. Also, trying to attain SP does make you loss sleep, but I also said thats too little to count.

Seriously, not reading, saying I'm generalizing and then calling me ignorant...

Originally Posted by Walms

I said hardcore people, unless you are somehow suggesting that the people that deprive themselves of sleep for two days to get a WILD is healty, I don't see your point. Also, trying to attain SP does make you loss sleep, but I also said thats too little to count.

Seriously, not reading, saying I'm generalizing and then calling me ignorant...

I thought it was pretty clear you were joking around.

Even so, Walms is right. WILDing does 'cause a little loss of sleep, but no more than you're average WBTB (assuming you're not DEILDing or WILDing off a nap), unless you do it completely wrong and spend an hour lying uncomfortably in bed waiting for weirdness to go down.

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

waiting for weirdness to go down.

No comment,

This thread just made me laugh so hard!

Sorry, no...Walms is not right.

Since when does WILDing involve depriving yourself of sleep for 2 nights? Oh, it doesn't.

WILD is by NO means synonymous with ANY loss of sleep. A WILD is not the same thing as a WBTB. If I try a WILD in the middle of the day...how am I losing sleep? Wouldn't I be gaining sleep? Do you have a different definition of "sleep"? Please educate me.

So far, I see people blaming WILDs for loss of sleep, when it's really the fault of the person choosing to loose sleep, because of WILD practice, when they could easily just add more time to their practices.

That's like saying pencils are unhealthy, because some idiot will end up stabbing himself in the trachea with one.

WILDing, in and of itself, is not dangerous. Remember, folks, much of the knowledge base behind WILD comes from Tibetan Dream Yogi practices..you know...people who make an actual lifestyle over it, and integrate heightened awareness into everything they do. History shows us it's a safe practice. Sure, it is only natural (and not altogether unwise) to have concerns about the possibility of some strange, as yet undiscovered danger, but lets look at things the way they are - not the way they might possibly have a slim chance of being.

For those who are proposing a danger behind WILD, please offer up something that is an actual danger behind WILD, itself, and not the dreamer's lack of time management.