Thread: Killing DC's; a question regarding the impact it has on the mind/self

Originally Posted by Puffin

Would you care to elaborate on why you think I'm not getting my point(s) across? I'm very much against violence in dreams, and personally performing any violent acts towards others. I'll assume that my avatar is making my view seem less solid, but it's really just the person and the way the scene was done (it's from a movie, obviously) that made me make an avatar of it.

It is still making violence and force seem glamorous, but they are not glamorous to me. Flying is glamorous, Dreaming is glamorous. Forcing or beating or hurting others is not glamorous. Now you may see the scene in a glamorous eye, but from my view it just seemed like some guy beating and hurting on people.

Originally Posted by Puffin

Just a friendly reminder to stay on topic, and try to contribute something to the original discussion.~

mayflow does this to all threads she posts in

Originally Posted by Solarflare

mayflow does this to all threads she posts in

My discussion is with Puffin and the thread originator, and is about violence. Whatever your problem with Mayflow is, take that up with her, but this thread is not about you and Mayflow, so stick with the violence in dreams topic or but out.

Originally Posted by eldante

My discussion is with Puffin and the thread originator, and is about violence. Whatever your problem with Mayflow is, take that up with her, but this thread is not about you and Mayflow, so stick with the violence in dreams topic or but out.

i was referring mayflow as you :/

Puffin's avatar is fiction.
It's her view, there's no need to "Lose respect" for her...

It depends, they arent real after all. How do you think it would effect you to actually feel yourself killing someone (assuming the dream is realistic enough, otherwise it may seem like a video game). I havent yet but I may try killing in my dreams just out of pure curiosity to how the dream makes it feel and my reaction. If you have second thoughts about killing for any reason, a good alternative may be to beat the shit out of them if you just want to vent anger, I know a few people I would like to punch in the face myself. Otherwise go ahead with it.

Some people are damaged and unable to see certain things objectively. Please don't let their overly moralistic views sway you.

Violence is a bad thing, yes, but a necessary and unavoidable part of life. Life without conflict is stasis, and there can be no growth in stasis. The Utopian dream of life without the slightest hint of violence or hate is unrealistic and rather ridiculous to try to uphold as a moral goal for people to live by. If we deny the existence of violence then we're unprepared to deal with it when it inevitably happens.

That said, in my non-lucid dreams I frequently experience all sorts of werid violence - sometimes it doesn't affect me at all, sometimes I have a scary sort of bloodlust for it, and sometimes it horrifies me.

In lucids when I've experienced violence it always makes me feel bad. I haven't had many lucids, and the violence in them has been subdued - once I "woke up" in my bedroom (FA) and went lucid to find three creepy-looking men crouching halfway in my closet and weirdly frozen as if my going lucid had stopped or drastically slowed time for them somehow. I didn't like the fact that they were creeping in my room while I slept, but all I did was to grab their apparent leader by his bald head sort of like a bowling ball, with a finger in each of his eyes, and squeeze a little. His flesh resisted strongly, like it was as strong as tire rubber (result of being so slowed in time I believe) but after a moment I did feel my fingers sink in slightly. I don't think it did much damage, and I left right away so I couldn't tell, but I did feel bad about it afterwards.

Then there was the time I tried to use lucid powers of finger-pinching right in front of my eye to crush the heads of gigantic stuffed monkeys who were gathering in a corral-type fenced-in backyard to invade our world. It didn't work, neither did my attempts to throw force bolts at them from my hands. But they were definitely enemies of mankind as well as stuffed animals, so I wouldn't have felt bad for destroying them.

Eldante, I'm curious, how would you deal with a DC who was trying to rape you if you discovered you had no special lucid powers or dream control and couldn't escape or wake yourself up? For that matter, how would you deal with someone really trying to rape you in waking life? I think you'd be surprised how violent you can be when necessary.

Violence is overcomable. This is one of the really great benefits of Lucid Dreaming. Fear is a non Lucid Beast, as are anger and desires to force and harm things. Lucid Dreams are meant to bring Freedom from fear and such things.

You seem to have missed my direct question to you. Let me re-post it:

Eldante, I'm curious, how would you deal with a DC who was trying to rape you if you discovered you had no special lucid powers or dream control and couldn't escape or wake yourself up? For that matter, how would you deal with someone really trying to rape you in waking life? I think you'd be surprised how violent you can be when necessary.

To simplify, the only real choices are - fight or allow yourself to be raped.

What do you do?

If someone tries to rape me (or anyone) I guarantee them one outcome, and they will not like it. I do not use violence, but Karma, darling.

No one was willing to have sex with me last night, so I moved on.
I didn't have the stomach to force rape, just going to wait till next time.

Originally Posted by yuppie11975

No one was willing to have sex with me last night, so I moved on.
I didn't have the stomach to force rape, just going to wait till next time.

So next time you will force rape?

Originally Posted by eldante

So next time you will force rape?

No you dick wad, if I'm not willing to rape someone the first time, why would I be the second time. I'm waiting till next dream, until someone is willing, or I might just summon my girlfriend.

Originally Posted by yuppie11975

No you dick wad, if I'm not willing to rape someone the first time, why would I be the second time. I'm waiting till next dream, until someone is willing, or I might just summon my girlfriend.

Lol, everyone in my dream is willing if I ask.

Originally Posted by yuppie11975

No you dick wad, if I'm not willing to rape someone the first time, why would I be the second time. I'm waiting till next dream, until someone is willing, or I might just summon my girlfriend.

Priceless!

Originally Posted by yuppie11975

No you dick wad, if I'm not willing to rape someone the first time, why would I be the second time. I'm waiting till next dream, until someone is willing, or I might just summon my girlfriend.

I am a dickwad now and darkmatters likes you calling me that. Ok, whatever. Dream how you want to dream.

I know there have already been a lot of replies. But really it's not that bad to do that. If you think it would help you out, then do it! Just try to not make violence the only way to solve things (in my opinion) you can also solve problems in lucid dreams in other ways. Not just killing someone, it's fine to kill them if you think it's going to help you. Just try not to let it carry over into real life haha.

Anyways, good luck!

I think it's fine.
Dreams are about exploring our true natures, human or inhuman. And if you feel a way, who is to say that isn't human nature? It is indeed human nature to not want to kill other people (why do you think we haven't blown ourselves up yet?), but if you feel as though you should, for whatever reason, then go ahead. I've killed 2 people in my dreams before, albeit multiple times, and they could respectively be considered as the male and female antagonists for my life, and I've killed the male at least 20 times and the female 4.

Aha, I've had sex in my dreams three times and it's always went fine.
Don't judge, but I'm bi-curious, so I asked this cute guy to come into the house, but he just refused, and I moved on. I tried two other guys, no luck. Continued with my dream

There have been very few times where I've been violent in my lucids if I'm honest.. in fact, I can only think of one incident where I sliced somebody's arm off with a metal ruler, but that was purely out of self defence.
I just feel it would help me conquer a few issues within myself, as I'm somewhat of a push-over and let people walk all over me without realising it. I can never be firm enough out of fear of an argument transpiring.

I think that this is a two-part issue:

1) I enjoy the fighting in my dreams. To me, it's analgous to playing a video game. I don't think there is any wrong with a little fantasy violence, whether it be in a movie or video game. However, like in most video games, I am usually the protagonist, and never really go around looking for people to kill. They tend to find me, and attack me first. That kind of action, I can handle with a clear conscience, which brings us to part two...

2) I do not think that using dreams to play out actual, waking-world grudges is healthy. I mean, I think it's much less about it being a dream, than I do feel it's about your feeling the need to have to play out such violent scenarios on the people you have grudges against. I might say the same thing about taking a picture of someone you don't like, and putting it on your target board, at a firing range. There is just something about using something like that as an 'outlet' (in my opinion) that seems like it might be kind of detrimental to learning to relieve your stress in less vengeful ways.

I'm no psychologist, though, so I could be completely wrong about that, but that's just the way I see it.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

2) I do not think that using dreams to play out actual, waking-world grudges is healthy. I mean, I think it's much less about it being a dream, than I do feel it's about your feeling the need to have to play out such violent scenarios on the people you have grudges against. I might say the same thing about taking a picture of someone you don't like, and putting it on your target board, at a firing range. There is just something about using something like that as an 'outlet' (in my opinion) that seems like it might be kind of detrimental to learning to relieve your stress in less vengeful ways.

This is pretty much how I feel about the subject. It's one thing to kill a bunch of zombies or aliens or whatever to vent your anger and frustration. But I don't think it's going to be good for your mental and emotional well-being to use dreams to enact violent fantasies about actual people. It's a good idea to get closure from dreams when it comes to something like an ex. For example, using the dream to tell them whatever you need to say to them. Or summoning them in a dream and asking them what you ever saw in such a jerk (it might help you to avoid the same mistakes later if they answer truthfully).

I do totally get the idea that killing off the person in your dream might help you get some closure and literally bury your feelings for them. But my advice is that if you do this, do it in a less realistically violent way.

Or you could just do what I did to my coworkers and force them to dance to Thriller for you....

yeah, i wont come to a random person and beat them to death with a baseball bat and rape their dead body and gorge out their eyeballs with my teeth. But i would have an epic battle with a dragon or fly out into the clouds and battle a robot trying to kill me by dodging all of its lazers by flying.

What solarflare summarised from oneironaut, I agree with

I think some of you may be better off not watching violent and mindless games and movies.