Thread: Theory On Dream Characters

Oh dear. Its this "shared dreaming" stuff again.
Shared dreaming requires extensive communication between all brains involved without any physical contact(movement, sound, etc), which is impossible.

Instead of flaming, convince me why shared dreaming is possible.

I don't think there has to be a definitive: 'yes, it's possible', or 'no, it's impossible' for people to simply entertain the idea and have an open discussion. Personally, I tend to believe it's not possible; however, I still find it interesting to delve into.

In fact, because it cannot be proved definitively impossible, discussion of it will continue. Then it's just a matter of how open your mind is to blurring fiction and reality for entertainment.

Originally Posted by Vortaix

Just NO.

And you can easily prove it's not true.

Dream of your mother, father.. etc..
do something to them, or go somewhere to them (etc in a car.)

When they wake up ask them if they were driving in a car.
They say no.

I rest my case.

Don't rest that case just yet, Vortaix, because we're not asking if all DC's you encounter are real people; we're wondering if any of the DC's we encounter might be avatars of actual people.

So you can certainly dream about, or rather create DC's representing, people like family members who did not have a personal presence in your dream. Indeed, I have a feeling that if DC's do have a real person driving them, they will likely be someone you do not know. Why? Because I have a feeling that, if it exists, conscious travel to other people's dreams would be a random event, and, with all the people on the planet, what are the odds of someone you know popping in?

Originally Posted by Freda

Oh dear. Its this "shared dreaming" stuff again.
Shared dreaming requires extensive communication between all brains involved without any physical contact(movement, sound, etc), which is impossible.

Instead of flaming, convince me why shared dreaming is possible.

Much as I share your sentiment, Freda, this really isn't a discussion specifically about the possibility of shared dreaming. Yes, it presupposes it, but I think that's okay in this case. Any chance you can discuss this interesting idea of DC's being real people without getting into the standard dream-sharing back-and-forth?

Freda, we each posted some thoughts on science earlier in the thread, you may find it interesting, but no one is going to sell you on it.

Originally Posted by Wolfwood

The question that I cannot discard, then, is: Should morality and virtue be adhered to within dreams?

I have a very good reason for you all to be moral and good in your dreams. You are confused and a bit wild in in dreams even lucid dreams. The enties that you can run into, who are from the dream plane, are not confused and can see easily through any dream scenery. You can not hide in a room and go unscene. The room is not real, they can still see you. Infact you will eventually learn the same trick. These beings can be of great help to you. They can teach you, fall in love with you, befriend you and who knows what else, certainly some like having dream sex. Here is the point, you will be watched occassionally while you run around being a cruel and immorral jerk. Lets say you have developed some nice lucid skills and attract a potential dream guide, who may give you vivid dream sex, access to an astral city, and teachings in dream yoga,,, but you are raping DCs and shooting milk men, and making people burst into flames,,, yeah, they are really going to approach you and offer to make you as powerful as them? Not a chance.

I think sex in LDs is morally fine even if you are picturing your brothers wife, the problem in contect to this thread is that mean and nasty stuff directed at DCs is a good way to be shunned and left out of the loop.

Originally Posted by Wolfwood

Just depends how you, yourself, characterize the experience, I guess. If you see it as a game, such as we do with video games, then killing someone within that virtual world doesn't make you any less morally good and virtuous in the real world.

Hmm. This is actually very difficult to answer, as dreams seem to blur the line between game and reality in terms of how they affect your waking consciousness....and that's irrespective of whether the characters are real or imagined. After all, a DC being a real person is analogically the same as a video game character having a real person behind it.

Perhaps this is causing me confusion because a video game has clear defined rules, and we know the limits of that virtual reality. Whilst the dream world and it's effects on consciousness are largely unknown.

I know I can do many things in a dream and not feel bad if I work it into a story that explains my actions. I did some violent things when I used to have an on going grudge match with a certain entity who often gaurded my first dream guide. He would always appear as the same DC (well one time he pretended to bea cat) I think he was jeaolus ot something,, or testing me. He would push my buttons so bad. He followed me around during this big multiplayer dream secret agent game and he kept coming up behnd me and stabbing me in the nuts with a sliver of magical energy. It hurt! I have had as many as 30 physical brawls with this entity/DC over the last 18 years. Here is my point. In a real waking life fight, I would choose to hold someone down, or knock them unconcious, because I am a good person. In these dreams though I know he will not be permanantly hurt, so I have been a real vicious bastard when he has really pushed me. I have dug the eyes out of his skull half a dozen time. I don't feel bad about it, Im sure he gets over it.

Originally Posted by Sageous

Much as I share your sentiment, Freda, this really isn't a discussion specifically about the possibility of shared dreaming. Yes, it presupposes it, but I think that's okay in this case. Any chance you can discuss this interesting idea of DC's being real people without getting into the standard dream-sharing back-and-forth?

No, i cannot. I do not find this subject interesting as it's very core is (according to me)impossible.
I am not going to try to stop you from doing it though, I have already made my (moderately irrelevant)point. I'm out.

hmm this sounds interesting. I am highly skeptical of shared dreaming, even though I have had a shared dream before, but I could see the possibility of someone possibly being in a dream with you. In no way is every DC another dreamer, but some might be. I don't think that other dreamers appear in every dream either. No DC has ever accused me of being a DC but many that I have interacted with have known themselves to be DCs.

Originally Posted by Wolfwood

The question that I cannot discard, then, is: Should morality and virtue be adhered to within dreams?

I think so. Every action you preform, even if in your imagination, effects your consciousness, karma, and who you are. The mindsets you experience in your dreams spill over into your waking life. Who hasn't had a dream that affected your mood the next morning, even into the day? If you seek to be a virtuous, compassionate, and kind person in waking life, then committing violent and cruel actions in your dreams (even to DC's of your creation) will hinder you in achieving these attributes. Of course, the morality of the dream world will be different than the waking world, but I would still want to cultivate the same virtues in the dreamworld that I would in the waking world.