Thread: Theory On Dream Characters

Very interesting. However, by now, wouldn't someone have come up to me (or someone else for that matter) and told me that I'm part of their dream (if they were having a LD)?

Well theres so many people in the world, the odds of that person finding you are very slim

Ok, understandable. I don't know if this is what you had in mind, but to add on a little, if we WERE dream characters, what if we were the dream characters for someone in some alternate universe, and we were connected through space and time by dreams. I may be pushing it, just a thought.

I said that in the irc but got shot down

Its troo bro

Even when you are lucid dreaming you're a DC to someone else. Maybe that's why dc's do the wierdest stuff to you.

What if no one has ever dreamed about you?

Do you still exist?

Well, if that's true I'll have to apologize to my ex-teacher for cutting his arm with a katana when he laughed at me the other night.

So some murders are people completing a dream task? xD.
Jokes aside, its an interesting theory. I like it.
But...

All hell could break loose.

Here is an experiment on another forum where some members would interview and question DC's to test their "realness". I've read through all of the threads and it is very interesting and a good read.

Testing the "realness" of Dream Characters

You guys might be on to something here...

I once started a thread called Finding yourself in other people's dreams in which, I guess, asked this very question.

After all, if this dream-sharing thing is real, and is literally a force of nature, wouldn't we all be doing it all the time, without ever knowing it?

Definite food for thought, especially for those who choose to abuse or destroy the dream characters they encounter....

Thanks for the comments!

/me shuns GeOh for linking ld4all.

Suggesting DC's are real people also suggests dreaming takes place on another plane and/or a huge telepathic network.
Controversial. Interesting. If you can prove it, let me know, and then tell me how it changes anything.

Originally Posted by Evolventity

/me shuns GeOh for linking ld4all.

Suggesting DC's are real people also suggests dreaming takes place on another plane and/or a huge telepathic network.
Controversial. Interesting. If you can prove it, let me know, and then tell me how it changes anything.

Sorry, you do not like ld4all? I liked the experiment they did, and it related to this topic so I thought I would share it .

Originally Posted by Evolventity

Suggesting DC's are real people also suggests dreaming takes place on another plane and/or a huge telepathic network. Controversial. Interesting. If you can prove it, let me know, and then tell me how it changes anything.

Aside from the "other plane" bit (why does communication, or linking of dreams, require an alternate reality? Can't we all just be wandering around in each other's minds?), I agree. Yes, this is controversial, interesting, and likely little more than fun fantasy.

But if natural dream sharing -- which is what we're talking about here -- were ever proven, I would imagine it would change everything, given that validation of universal dream sharing would redefine what it means to be human, toss out the core law of modern physics -- that nothing travels faster than light -- and quickly be followed by research and practical application that would change the way we communicate, learn, are entertained, and, above all, move through reality itself. And, given the way we humans react to new technologies, these changes would come at a revolutionary pace. So, if this crazy theory is ever proven, be prepared for your world to change in ways you never imagined, at a pace most will likely never keep up with!

Now that I think of it, proof of shared dreaming, and all that would accompany and follow its discovery, would produce a world-changing wave indeed, and those who master shared dreaming first (through, for instance, LD'ing) will be at the crest of this wave. Which could mean, God help us, that Waking Nomad may one day rule us all!

...All this is of course is why this subject is a lot of fun to talk about, but there's little chance we're really sharing dreams. After all, if we were, I think some Einstein would have come along by now to show us how it works, and how to exploit it.

...Unless of course dream sharing represents a symptom of our next step in evolution, and it truly is a new facet of human consciousness, still buried in our unconscious minds, just as things like language, tool use and invention likely once were... Waiting for discovery, perhaps by some intrepid and open-minded advanced LD'er?

Again, lots of cool stuff here, the coolest of all being the thirty seconds we can close our eyes and imagine it could be true!

Sour about the loss @ OKC today

Anyways, it is a cool idea that we share the dream world (sounds like one of them complicated Quantum Physics theories), but I doubt it.
But with technology today I do believe shared dreams is just around the corner.

Can be a good book though

Originally Posted by Sageous

....given that validation of universal dream sharing would redefine what it means to be human, toss out the core law of modern physics -- that nothing travels faster than light --.....
Now that I think of it, proof of shared dreaming, and all that would accompany and follow its discovery, would produce a world-changing wave indeed, and those who master shared dreaming first (through, for instance, LD'ing) will be at the crest of this wave. Which could mean, God help us, that Waking Nomad may one day rule us all!

Oh man, I laughed my *ss off! That's funny. I bet we would all be having fun though, he is pretty entertaining.

Oddly enough the "laws" of physics are being torn apart in the last few years. Things can move faster than light, because of some weird stuff they can not explain, but I know how (sure you say)
Two examples- Any galaxy that is not bound in our own super cluster is moving away from us faster than light. They move away, not in a certain direction, just away, and very fast. Next, the big bang supposedly expanded to the size oof our solar system in something like a ten thousanth of a second. It takes 8 minutes for light from the sun to reach us. The big band then spread at millions of time the speed of light. They say it all happened in thousanths of a second. Or, and this is what I believe, it just appeared everywhere instantly.
This has a tie in to this thread. How can such craziness be explained? Simple, this universe is much more like the matrix than most of you can imagine. In fact it is the belief of yogis that God is "dreaming" the universe. No B.S. yogis (my own faith) state it clearly in ancient texts, that the universe is not real, because it is the lucid dream of God, and is composed of dream stuff.
That is how I explain the entire universe just materializing allat one time. That is how I explain the size of the universe, it is as big as the dreamer cares to picture it. Truely powerful magic and energy manipulation is much easier when you "see past the illusion of Maya"
Everything amazing like super massive black holes and shared dreaming becomes instantly believable and understandable. If E=MC2 is saying matter is actually made purely of energy, and add in the "let there be light" belief in a creater, then the world being a perfectly stable lucid dream on a scale with no limit, then everything falls in place.
So, the universe all ready being composed of dream energy, the yogic belief is that there are then dreams within the dream. I run into other entities often, and assume many of them are other dreamers. I do not even need there to bea biological mechanism for such powers. If the universe can pop into existance, then for there to be other planes of existance where we all go when we dream is no more fantastic to me than I find Chinese Buffets (oh, and thank you God for those, very cool dream you are having, glad to be one of your DCs)

probably not. You can make dc's appear however you want them to be. You are god of your dream characters.

I actually believe in something like this. I believe that some dream characters are part of your own imagination while some are actually real people who are dreaming the same time as you. This is more of a beyond dreaming subject bit iz definitely think sharing a dream is possible.

Sivason:

I'm not sure where you're getting your science info from, but I was still under the impression that, aside from some quantum entanglement curiosities in subatomic particles, nothing has been found to move faster than light -- especially massive objects like galaxies...and the Big Bang may have occurred in an instant, but scientifically speaking it took many billions of years for the universe to achieve its current size -- it did not happen in an instant. No need to argue the point, though, because I don't think it matters in this case.

That aside, what you said is of import here, because you are professing articles of faith (like that we're all just part of God's dream), and as truths bound only by your belief, no proof is necessary, and absolutely nothing can be done with those truths in any practical way. That's all fine, and I will not and cannot disagree with your beliefs. But your belief in a thing, no matter how confidently held, cannot make that thing "real" to everyone; people can still choose not to believe you, because all they have is your (and of course your respective religious tenets') word as proof. Scientific, concrete proof, however, eliminates that choice, because it is backed up by practical application that invades our everyday life. That is the thing I was getting at:

If humans can prove, and then act upon the proposition that we are all part of God's dream, and/or that we are regularly sharing dreams through some metaphysical thought-energy based system of communication that defies existing laws of physics (yes, it would, even in the terms you state above), the world would become a manifestation of your faith. In other words, everyone would know that what you believe is true, whether they choose to or not, because reality itself would shift as the science behind the discovery is put into practical use...I think that would be most excellent, don't you?

So mass collective dreaming, thereby implying that it's no individual's dream. That we're mere participators in a mass illusion. And so if I was the last man on earth, my dreams would mirror this too? If it was a mass illusion, despite each individual's dream being seemingly erratic and spontaneous, I'd expect a sort of pattern to emerge...order on the chaos from afar - something making it connected, coherent and stable as a whole.

If there wasn't, such a mass illusion would be seemingly irrelevant if it appears to be individualised and incoherent from any perspective.

Originally Posted by Wolfwood

So mass collective dreaming, thereby implying that it's no individual's dream. That we're mere participators in a mass illusion. And so if I was the last man on earth, my dreams would mirror this too? If it was a mass illusion, despite each individual's dream being seemingly erratic and spontaneous, I'd expect a sort of pattern to emerge...order on the chaos from afar - something making it connected, coherent and stable as a whole.

If there wasn't, such a mass illusion would be seemingly irrelevant if it appears to be individualised and incoherent from any perspective.

That's not what I was thinking at all, even about what Sivason was saying.

Why would an unconscious, and potentially conscious thru LD'ing, communication between people in dreams imply a loss of individuality?

Can't we maintain our individuality while we're in touch with countless other individuals? Don't we do that in waking life every day, or at least try to? And, let's say Sivason is correct and we're all just awash in God's dream, wouldn't we still be able to retain our individuality as we navigate His vast whim? I think so...in a sense, we do that in waking life every day, too.

So it all might not be as much of a downer as you presume...I think individuality can easily be held onto. It's likely unavoidable, given both that we are sentient so by definition must have individuality, and because a system of over seven billion souls (or one God overseeing an entire universe) is simply too huge to ever have its own will be noticed by us micro-individuals, should there even be one. Hell, individuality might even be necessary, in order for God or the system to differentiate each of its gazillion nodes.

Another thought, now that you got me to think about it... I wonder, should this communication exist, if it was built into our unconscious minds rather than conscious minds in order to preserve our sanity; and we're only "discovering" it now because we've evolved far enough that our conscious minds might handle it without losing it? Hmm...

Originally Posted by Sageous

Sivason:

I'm not sure where you're getting your science info from, but I was still under the impression that, aside from some quantum entanglement curiosities in subatomic particles, nothing has been found to move faster than light -- especially massive objects like galaxies...and the Big Bang may have occurred in an instant, but scientifically speaking it took many billions of years for the universe to achieve its current size -- it did not happen in an instant. No need to argue the point, though, because I don't think it matters in this case.
.........

If humans can prove, and then act upon the proposition that we are all part of God's dream, and/or that we are regularly sharing dreams through some metaphysical thought-energy based system of communication that defies existing laws of physics (yes, it would, even in the terms you state above), the world would become a manifestation of your faith. In other words, everyone would know that what you believe is true, whether they choose to or not, because reality itself would shift as the science behind the discovery is put into practical use...I think that would be most excellent, don't you?

Sageous, Check out the series "How the Universe Works" on net flixs. It is the coolest thing I have ever watched. It is only 2 years old and shows the most up to date cutting edge astrophysics. They are finding out that all sorts of "laws" are not absolute. If you travelled at the speed of light, you could never reach any place beyond our own super cluster because they are moving away faster than light! The theory is that empty space is not nothing, but is a real factor and it is expanding in the space between superclusters much faster than light, thus pushing the galaxies along at well above light speed. The big bang thing is that while it did take hundreds of millions of years for the big bang to settle down and form stars, infinate space is getting bigger. If it expanded at millions of times the speed of light (thats what they say) or it just appeared, it lends believability to my belief that the universe need not follow certain laws, unless it just happens to at the time. Dark energy and dark matter are also talked about. They say basically that if galaxies form using our current model of physics, none of it should work. The only way to get a computer model to agree it is possable is to add far more energy and mass into the equation, then can possably be understood from the point of neutonion physics.

Of course my tie in to this thread is,,, there does not need to be a neutonian explination to how shared dreaming works. It would be pretty cool if they prove some of this stuff, but other people believing what I do has never been a concern for me. And, of course, you are correct that my explaination is a matter of faith and thus only interesting, not being something that can be addressed scientifically for many decades to come, if ever.

I guess having personally had the truths of Dream Yoga shown to me, I take a point of view like if Morpheous tried to tell Neo before he took the pill, that it did not matter what physics were involved, because none of it is actually real. A totally unsupportable point of view from most prespectives.

Originally Posted by Wolfwood

So mass collective dreaming, thereby implying that it's no individual's dream. That we're mere participators in a mass illusion. And so if I was the last man on earth, my dreams would mirror this too? If it was a mass illusion, despite each individual's dream being seemingly erratic and spontaneous, I'd expect a sort of pattern to emerge...order on the chaos from afar - something making it connected, coherent and stable as a whole.

If there wasn't, such a mass illusion would be seemingly irrelevant if it appears to be individualised and incoherent from any perspective.

My own personal belief is that you can have private unshared dreams inside your head in which DCs are just imagery. Also, you can have dreams in a collective dimension where some DCs will be imagined and some wiill be other dreamers. You can usually tell pretty easily if a DC is imaginary once you have a few clear experiances with other real entities.

Being the last man on Earth would not mean anything, the other dreamers do not all come from earth, I have met many who claim to be ailens. The dreamer creates an image of the entity based on what he expects. You will almost always see an alien who is appearing as a DC as your own species unless they make an effort to show you their own vision of how they think of themselves. Also, not all of the dreamers will be from this specific dimension. You are going to a new dimension in shared dreams, so the dreamers need not come from this one. So unless you were the last person in all of creation....

Originally Posted by Sageous

That's not what I was thinking at all, even about what Sivason was saying.

Why would an unconscious, and potentially conscious thru LD'ing, communication between people in dreams imply a loss of individuality?

Can't we maintain our individuality while we're in touch with countless other individuals? Don't we do that in waking life every day, or at least try to? And, let's say Sivason is correct and we're all just awash in God's dream, wouldn't we still be able to retain our individuality as we navigate His vast whim? I think so...in a sense, we do that in waking life every day, too.

So it all might not be as much of a downer as you presume...I think individuality can easily be held onto. It's likely unavoidable, given both that we are sentient so by definition must have individuality, and because a system of over seven billion souls (or one God overseeing an entire universe) is simply too huge to ever have its own will be noticed by us micro-individuals, should there even be one. Hell, individuality might even be necessary, in order for God or the system to differentiate each of its gazillion nodes.

Another thought, now that you got me to think about it... I wonder, should this communication exist, if it was built into our unconscious minds rather than conscious minds in order to preserve our sanity; and we're only "discovering" it now because we've evolved far enough that our conscious minds might handle it without losing it? Hmm...

lol I was replying in general to the thread starter, but nonetheless, it got you thinking. And that's not a bad thing. ^_^

Originally Posted by Wolfwood

lol I was replying in general to the thread starter, but nonetheless, it got you thinking. And that's not a bad thing. ^_^

Oops! Never mind then, and thanks... Because it is indeed not a bad thing.