Are There Any Boundarys To A Lucid Dream?

**vinnym9999** · 03-21-2013 02:45 AM

Like is it truly limitless! I know it depends on the dreamers own mind but with practice, is it possible to have vivid dreams which you have control over and can remember most details?

If so everyone should learn how to achieve this. Im awaiting my first fun lucid dream.. I had one boring weird one but it ended fast.

**Scionox** · 03-21-2013 03:22 AM

Yup, everything is possible in dream, but considering many things in dreams are based on expectations, don't seek for the limits, go ahead, and be free!

**Saizaphod** · 03-21-2013 12:13 PM

You can literally do A.NY.T.H.I.N.G what you can imagine. Except you cant create a new color because you CANT imagine it as example. Ask yourself this: What would you do now if you realized its just a dream?

**Killing** · 03-21-2013 03:29 PM

Yeah, that. And you can't learn anything new.

**pog** · 03-21-2013 05:20 PM

Hmmm... I wonder how true that is Killing.

Certainly it seems possible to gain new self-insight in dreams, and to create (poetry, math, abstract ideas or problem solving). I'm not sure about obtaining 'new' information you don't already know (but may have forgotten) - but I've heard some weird stuff ....

**Scionox** · 03-21-2013 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by Mikasan527

Except you cant create a new color

Originally Posted by Killing

And you can't learn anything new.

You both are just creating false boundaries for yourself, if you expect it to be impossible then it will be.

**Kholdstare** · 03-21-2013 11:06 PM

Time.

The one thing we can never, ever get more of, and the one thing we always need. Doing the utterly impossible is completely possible in a lucid dream... but it only lasts for so long.

**vinnym9999** · 03-22-2013 02:23 AM

Maybe an artist could

**vinnym9999** · 03-22-2013 02:23 AM

Cool thanks

**PlanesWalker** · 03-22-2013 06:27 AM

If you could lock yourself into a Lucid Dream, would you?

**cece23** · 03-22-2013 02:39 PM

I went through a period of having dreams where I was on a spaceship and then my dream suddenly turning lucid because of the coincidence that I was dreaming it yet again. It was fantastically beautiful seeing the earth from such an elevated perspective. Yeah I believe there are no boundaries to a lucid dream.

**Killing** · 03-24-2013 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by Checker666

You both are just creating false boundaries for yourself, if you expect it to be impossible then it will be.

Wai u maek me crai

I mean.
How are you supposed to learn something new, something that you had no idea about before? You couldn't for example learn a new language out of thin air. :l

I get what you're saying, though, yeah.

**Scionox** · 03-24-2013 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by Killing

I mean.
How are you supposed to learn something new, something that you had no idea about before? You couldn't for example learn a new language out of thin air. :l

Sometimes our subconscious might like to surprise us. Just search for it and expect to find something new. I have seen school that teached some weird languages that i haven't seen before in non-lucid, i am sure it would be possible to learn them if i was lucid.

**Killing** · 03-24-2013 07:51 PM

Well, I think you're talking about something that you have created yourself..The language example was bad, you can always make a language of your own.

In my opinion, you cannot learn something new without already (subconsciously) knowing it. In your dreams you only have your mind and your mind only. You're not connected to some external source through a magical mind link that can give you completely new information.

Kind of like a computer that isn't connected to the internet. You can create new things as much as you'd like with the stuff you already know, but you can't get new material from the internet. :l

**Scionox** · 03-24-2013 08:10 PM

I think you are underestimating our mind there, i understand that it's your opinion though. Though even if we created something subconsciously, that don't means we know about it consciously, so learning it would be like learning a new thing either way.

And then again there's dream sharing, but that would be another topic entirely.

**Killing** · 03-24-2013 08:21 PM

Yeah, I agree with you there, it would feel LIKE learning a new thing, but it's really not. :D

**Scionox** · 03-24-2013 08:51 PM

If it feels like learning it is still learning though, otherwise we would not really know about it.

**NyxCC** · 03-24-2013 10:06 PM

Why not try to explore and challenge those boundaries? Ask questions you don't know the answer to and see what you get. Ask them many many times if you like in LD and then check. Try to check out in LD some historical stuff you really don't know anything about or ask what the universe is made of, ask to see what it is made of. Try it every time and see if there are any consistent answers you get. Be creative and let your subconscious send you to unknown places.

**Timkitchen** · 03-25-2013 07:04 AM

Yes it is possible to have a dream which you really want to see; even you can see a same dream again and again. You can have control over your dream by doing simple things:
First of all have a diary in which you have to write down what you want to see, read this before going to sleep and remember not to watch any movie before sleeping otherwise you may have a dream about it. After closing eyes think about your dream. Keep thinking "Am I awake, or dreaming?" This will help you tell the difference between the dream world and reality when you are asleep. Slowly by practice you will get it.

**Cirvivor** · 03-29-2013 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by Killing

In my opinion, you cannot learn something new without already (subconsciously) knowing it. In your dreams you only have your mind and your mind only. You're not connected to some external source through a magical mind link that can give you completely new information.

I agree on the language side. However perhaps we hold (subconsciously)information passed down in the same manner as instincts? New to the conscious so I consider that new since without some sort of stimuli you would never know that you "knew" it... Dreams could be the stimuli to bring forward this info. Just a theory.

EDIT: To the last sentence. Who proved this? I say it is a viable option. Cause really everything is... opinions are fun.

**pog** · 03-29-2013 12:44 PM

I guess a lot of the debate around 'can you learn something new in a dream' (regrding new factual info not problem solving or creative constructs) is around where we draw the boundaries of what's possible within our paradigm - in our acceptance/rejection of materialism or some sort of 'supernaturalism' (I use quotes because I dislike the word supernatural - if it happens it is natural regardless of whether it fits in with current understanding).

I'm not sure about dreams per se, but I've got a 'supernaturalist' worldview, so I'm open to the possibility and take people's claims of such stuff quite seriously. There only needs to be one good case of someone learning something 'new' in dream for it to be shown to be possible, after all. Anyone know of a credible 'black swan' case like this?

**Vampireboy** · 03-29-2013 03:03 PM

I believe that you can do anything your brain could in it's waking state. To explain this more simply I'll use an example; say you're an artist and seeking to make a new piece of art. Normally in the waking world your brain can collect information together, mix it all into a big pot and come out with a new idea, completely self created and influenced by everything you've collected. In a dreaming state your brain can still do this, but can still only work off of information it has already collected. For instance if you had no idea about the Crimean war your dreams cannot suddenly tell you about it, however they can present you with new ideas based off of what you already have.
You can do anything you know about in the waking world but cannot artificially create information out of the blue, everything has to be based on information you already have. People having spiritual realisations in dreams (ignoring the really out of body stuff) is normally your brain just presenting information you already know but may not have thought of, or in a different way to the norm.

**xoTrouserThief** · 04-09-2013 05:13 AM

The only boundaries in a world created by your mind is your mind itself. Do what makes you happy and it will happen.

**SilentEternity** · 04-09-2013 05:29 AM

To my knowledge, the only boundaries set upon a lucid dream are your own knowledge and your own perception of impossibilities.

You wouldn't be able to, say, learn a real language in a dream, unless you already understood it - but you may be able to create one.

And if you do not believe it possible, you cannot happen.

Another limit, set by reality and not a dream, is of course time - how long can you dream for, anyways? But even time is a matter of perception.

Anything that would be an exception to this...well, let's not get into speculation and superstition.

**nightlighter** · 04-09-2013 06:55 AM

Can't learn anything new?? WAAAAKKKKEEEEE UPPPPPPP!!!!

If you haven't already, read Carlos Castanedas' book The Art of Dreaming.

IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE.

With that being said, I really agree with pog - everything is energy, though you don't see that energy directly, you interpret it into what makes sense to you. If you doubt this I urge you: delve DEEP into the other. See for yourself! And again read Castaneda - his writings are essential for every dreamer!