Simulated lucidity ( dreaming of having a lucid dream)

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In a topic called "Lucid Nightmares" Ctharlhie and I argued about the existence of simulated lucidity. I commonly dream of lucid dreaming and name it "simulated lucidity". Ctharlhie believes a lucid dream can be classified by the following definition: Any time that you know you are dreaming you are in a lucid dream, whether you came from a different dream scene, had a false awakening, whatever; it doesn't matter, all you need is the knowledge you are dreaming. In my opinion this is completely wrong as "knowing your dreaming" can be simulated. I believe my following statement should be the definition for lucid dreaming: The same analytical conscious mind that is present during waking life becomes present during a dream. I am not the only one who believes in simulated lucidity and determining the difference between a real lucid dream and dreaming of being lucid is an important skill. For example check out the simulated lucid dream I had this morning. My plan for my next lucid dream was to walk though my bedroom door and end up in my school library... as you can see below I didn't do this or even try to. (I name the dreamworld the "phase" and use the word "phase state" as a way of explaining that I am "lucid"): "After only just trying to prove simulated lucidity (a non-lucid phase related dream) exists one night ago I experienced another simulated lucid dream myself. The dream started off with my friend Daniel and I realising that we were both in a lucid dream. For the "fun" of it we ran into a restricted swimming carnival. If I were truly lucid I would never do this!! After about 5 minutes a staff member realised we were not on the list. Dan and I ran away and suddenly while passing some randomly generated houses I had another "OMG, I'm lucid" moment. Once we "realised we were dreaming"both of us decided to perform some deepening techniques. We decided to perform the "Tiger chase" technique which is used to deepen the phase state for two people at once. In real life I have never heard of this and barely believe that two people's consciousnesses can be in the same shared phase experience. Within the dream I transmutated into a tiger and began chasing Daniel. The thrill of running fast deepened the state for me and the fear of being eaten deepened daniels state. After the "phase" (I was not conscious in any way) was deepened we decided to perform Daniels plan of action. This involved going to Daniels house and retrieving something from his attic in the mid-1990s. In real life Daniel has no real plan of action so this once again was a random dream creation. Once we arrived at Daniel's new house (in real life he has only lived there for about a year) we planned how we would go back in time. I came up with the idea of walking through the front door and knowing that on the other side would be the 90s version of "his house". Once we both decided to do this we suddenly saw his dad opening the door trying to stop us. Without thinking both of us dodged his dad, jumped through the front door and tumbled through time back into the 90s version of his house. Living there was a teen girl and her single dad. She had been viciously attacked by him 5 days earlier which left her stomach cut open with her insides sticking out and dripping blood. Dan felt sorry for her and wanted to go back in time five days to prevent her from being attacked. Just as I agreed with him I woke up and realised that I had just had a simulated lucid dream. I asked him a few hours after waking if he remembered being there or not. After reading through my dream he confirmed he remembered none of this." As you can see I was not conscious in this dream whatsoever... I just had a dream that I was lucid when I actually wasn't. An EEG machine can determine if your lucid or just dreaming of being lucid. There is a massive difference... TRUST ME!!!! I have had countless simulated lucidity experiences but only 7 true lucid experiences in the last 4 months. As a result of this I have created my own system to determine the difference between a lucid and simulated lucid dream. Upon awakening ask yourself the following questions: 1. Did you carry out your single multistep plan of action you made while awake? -the problem is that you can sometimes but rarely do this in a simulated lucid dream. 2. Upon awakening did your thought patterns dramatically or slightly change? - for example While in a simulated lucid dream I know that I am definitely lucid while in it however upon awakening I think "wow why did I do that or not do this and act differently than I usually do" 3. Did you detect all anomalies within the dream? - if you wake up and think "how did that seem completely normal to me within the dream and how come I only noticed it now upon awakening?" then your conscious analytical mind was absent from the dream and only switched on once you awoke and realized things such as extra light switches that you had not noticed within the simulated lucid dream. 4. Did you act upon things only known to your dream self within the dream? - an example is when I was "lucid" and testing out how well I could fly. The environment which I had never seen in real life was completely familiar to my dream self and I even "remembered" a full on history of visiting it in the past. Upon awakening I was like "huh?" I have never been there before. It's like my dream self know the environment and reacted to things accordingly while maintaining the dream and doing teleportation. Its a hard skill to master but once you determine the difference you can actually have real lucid dreams without doubt and become much more efficient. If you wanna check out more of what I do in my lucid dreams, the theorys I come up with and my lucid journey from day 1 then check out my blog here:Out-of-Body Experience (OBE) and Lucid Dreaming - Entering the Phase - A 17-Year-Old’s Journey What do all of you believe about simulated lucidity? Does it exist? Have you experienced it? Are you against me?