Thread: Do Natural Born Lucid Dreamers have things in common?

Your definition of a natural is so far off.
I still put a ton of effort into lucid dreaming, and I am a natural.

I don't know any other naturals, so I wouldn't know anything we have in common.

Good question, wish I knew. There is so little information on natural lucid dreaming, and the little that is, is quite vague, at least from what I've seen. And I think your definition of a natural is very accurate. I don't see how a natural lucid dreamer would have to put a lot of effort in order to get lucid. That wouldn't make them much different than your average non-lucid dreamer who also has to put a lot of effort in order to get lucid.

These apply to me:

-sensitivity to the paranormal
-heightened senses

I am a natural.

From what I read a natural wasn't born with lucid dreaming, they learned it at a very young age because of frequent nightmares forcing them to identify those as dreams. They kept doing this and indirectly learned how to lucid dream.

I sort of agree with LDman that natural lucid dreamers weren't born with it. I say sort of because maybe there is a possibility that there is something about them that helps them pick up something that is off more frequently. But I agree for the most part because there are dream signs, including things that scare them, that help naturals notice their dreaming. If you are able to get one really good dream sign to appear more frequently in your dreams you will be able to get lucid lots of times. Well, that's what worked for me before. Now that I hardly give attention to it though I get lucid less often. Another thing that comes to mind is being able to start the dream lucid. That I feel is equally achievable if the person can apply a decent amount of focus to what they want to dream about in a relaxed manner. Like imagining where they want to be in the dream. Worked for me more when I thought about it in that way. I also believe that there are different types of natural lucid dreamers. One is a person who has the easiest way for them to get lucid but doesn't lucid dream as much because they don't apply what they did to get lucid or they forgot about it. Another is a person who falls asleep and intstanly realizes they are lucid dreaming plenty of times because they can't help but notice their dream signs that are right in front of them or something like that.

Originally Posted by mimihigurashi

Good question, wish I knew. There is so little information on natural lucid dreaming, and the little that is, is quite vague, at least from what I've seen. And I think your definition of a natural is very accurate. I don't see how a natural lucid dreamer would have to put a lot of effort in order to get lucid. That wouldn't make them much different than your average non-lucid dreamer who also has to put a lot of effort in order to get lucid.

That is literally my entire point.

I feel like people don't understand naturals. It makes me mad seeing people talk about me like they know more about me than I do.

I put tons of effort into lucid dreaming, and I had to work to get where I am. It's my entire life style.

Don't think for one damn minute that we're better than the rest of you. We just got a head start.

Originally Posted by SinisterDezz

That is literally my entire point.

I feel like people don't understand naturals. It makes me mad seeing people talk about me like they know more about me than I do.

I put tons of effort into lucid dreaming, and I had to work to get where I am. It's my entire life style.

Don't think for one damn minute that we're better than the rest of you. We just got a head start.

I agree with this. A head start is a really good way to put it. I work hard nearly every day at it, even though it started happening on its own when I was very little.

Originally Posted by SinisterDezz

That is literally my entire point.

I feel like people don't understand naturals. It makes me mad seeing people talk about me like they know more about me than I do.

I put tons of effort into lucid dreaming, and I had to work to get where I am. It's my entire life style.

Don't think for one damn minute that we're better than the rest of you. We just got a head start.

??? Well what's the head start? Lucid dreams happening on their own in childhood during nightmares or something? Then having to work hard every day to get them again? And I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about what sounds logical to me about a person being a natural. There is no "official" definition of a natural lucid dreamer, but "natural lucid dreamer" is self explanatory, someone who lucid dreams naturally, without putting much effort into it.
Like I said, it just doesn't make sense to me how someone is a natural lucid dreamer if they have to work hard for it just like anyone else, that's all. Does the "natural" part only give you a small initial boost in those first ever lucid dreams?

Originally Posted by DawnEye11

Another is a person who falls asleep and intstanly realizes they are lucid dreaming plenty of times because they can't help but notice their dream signs that are right in front of them or something like that.

That is exactly what the logical definition of an actual natural lucid dreamer sounds like to me.

Originally Posted by LDman

From what I read a natural wasn't born with lucid dreaming, the learned it at a very young age because of frequent nightmares forcing them to identify those as dreams. They kept doing this and indirectly learned how to lucid dream.

Well, honestly it is impossible to say! I can LD since I have reason... I remember my entire life to lucid dream, whether it was for a nightmare or for doing stuff I could not do in waking life (such as riding a rollercoaster that I would not be allowed into due lack of age/height) and many other things... But I do even have memories from before I was born... so... people will think I am nuts anyway

i suppose i'm a natural. i learned at a young age due to nightmares as described in earlier comments.
the following apply to me:

*sensitive to paranormal stuff (when i am choosing to believe in it)
*heightened senses - i think..? i'm not totally sure what that really means.

but also. i think something that we "naturals" might have in common is that we were all plagued with nightmares / night terrors when we were younger or possibly still have them.

also i agree that although i'm a "natural" i still put a lot of work, effort, and thought into lucid dreaming. i sort of feel goofy saying it, but it is really a whole lifestyle.

I have always thought if it this way:
when we dream, our logic center is usually very dormant, which makes it hard for us to realize when strange things are happening in the dreams, right?
But it is not completely shut off, because most of us have had "ordinary" dreams when things get so weird that we start thinking "wtf is happening?", without necessarily becoming lucid.
And it is reasonable to assume that it is very individual how much our logic center is shut down.
So maybe the logic center of natural lucid dreamers is just enough activated to allow them to think more rationally than most other people, and thus they can more easily become lucid?

Of course, natural lucid dreamers may also have an attitude to life that affects their lucid dreaming frequency - maybe they are more curious of their surroundings or more interested in dreams in general.
In any case, they certainly have a great dream recall.

I like to think of our logic center as a muscle that we can train - and that's essentially what we are doing when we use DILD and WILD techniques.

I also had frequent night mares as a child. One day i decided to do sumthing about the monsters chasing me and faced them. Since then i was frequently and easily lucid in my dreams from a very early age.. Tho, i am also a very very sensitive person, highly intuitive and also very logical. I havent had any lucid dreams for a few years now (about 4) i think due to stress related issues and bad sleeping..(?) so when i heard there wer actually people that practice this with techniques that can help one get back to being lucid again.. i was stoked, hence i joined this group (im a newbie ) So ya, even so called 'naturals' can loose this ability and need practice to keep it up.

Originally Posted by Yuusha

I have always thought if it this way:
when we dream, our logic center is usually very dormant, which makes it hard for us to realize when strange things are happening in the dreams, right?
But it is not completely shut off, because most of us have had "ordinary" dreams when things get so weird that we start thinking "wtf is happening?", without necessarily becoming lucid.
And it is reasonable to assume that it is very individual how much our logic center is shut down.
So maybe the logic center of natural lucid dreamers is just enough activated to allow them to think more rationally than most other people, and thus they can more easily become lucid?

Of course, natural lucid dreamers may also have an attitude to life that affects their lucid dreaming frequency - maybe they are more curious of their surroundings or more interested in dreams in general.
In any case, they certainly have a great dream recall.

I like to think of our logic center as a muscle that we can train - and that's essentially what we are doing when we use DILD and WILD techniques.

It might be the case
Few months ago i somewhat managed through failed WILD to keep my logical center awake probably. When dream started it took less than five minutes to find out that i'm dreaming due to noticing all that weird stuff going on

So wouldn't the easiest way to lucid dream be forcibly engaging your logical center by wondering if everything is normal?

I agree with the last few comments, and also. I think one thing that we may have in common is a higher sense of awareness of our surroundings in general. I am kind of blown away at how oblivious most people seem to be of their surroundings in day to day life.

By definition I'm a natural too I guess, several years ago I had 3 spontanious lucid dreams after hearing about the subject for the first time.

Some things about me that help me with lucid dreaming I guess are:

-Sharper senses (I can generally hear small sounds easier than most people I know.)
-Open to everything (When I first heared of lucid dreaming I didn't put it down as just another divine experience.)

Originally Posted by mimihigurashi

??? Well what's the head start? Lucid dreams happening on their own in childhood during nightmares or something? Then having to work hard every day to get them again? And I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about what sounds logical to me about a person being a natural. There is no "official" definition of a natural lucid dreamer, but "natural lucid dreamer" is self explanatory, someone who lucid dreams naturally, without putting much effort into it.
Like I said, it just doesn't make sense to me how someone is a natural lucid dreamer if they have to work hard for it just like anyone else, that's all. Does the "natural" part only give you a small initial boost in those first ever lucid dreams?



That is exactly what the logical definition of an actual natural lucid dreamer sounds like to me.

People view us as gods of lucid dreaming because it comes "so easily" to us. That's so wrong.

There is more to lucid dreaming than just being able to be lucid.

You think that we are able to have full control from the start? Perfect dream recall? Perfect sense of awareness?

It's not like we were born with all this. It's not like this all happens over night.

Most of our "natural lucid dreams" are the same as others starting out. Unclear, illogical, and hardly able to remember.

Our head start is the ability to get that small bit of awareness, but I be damned if it doesn't take a lot of effort to get any further than that.

Originally Posted by LDman

From what I read a natural wasn't born with lucid dreaming, they learned it at a very young age because of frequent nightmares forcing them to identify those as dreams. They kept doing this and indirectly learned how to lucid dream.

In my case, early childhood horrible and recurring nightmares led to some control, which led to daymares, which led to more control both while awake and asleep, and being lucid more often than not.

Originally Posted by SinisterDezz

People view us as gods of lucid dreaming because it comes "so easily" to us. That's so wrong.

There is more to lucid dreaming than just being able to be lucid.

You think that we are able to have full control from the start? Perfect dream recall? Perfect sense of awareness?

It's not like we were born with all this. It's not like this all happens over night.

Most of our "natural lucid dreams" are the same as others starting out. Unclear, illogical, and hardly able to remember.

Our head start is the ability to get that small bit of awareness, but I be damned if it doesn't take a lot of effort to get any further than that.

Correct, let's say that from the point you once had the ability to have multiple LDs per night you can be called a natural at that point because you're very familiar with the subject and generally know what to do to induce one. That's it, we know how to do it but that doesn't mean we don't have to do anything to archieve LDs. Since school started I've had barely any time for LDing and even though I know how to have them, and I've already had a lot of succes in the past, I'm not getting any lately.

Is it possible to "become" a natural?
I mean, let's say that someone has mostly ordinary dreams until adulthood, and then starts practicing lucid dreaming until he or she suddenly starts having them spontaneously very often without even practicing anymore.
Can this be called "natural" lucid dreaming?
I mean, wouldn't that kind of be the same thing as learning lucid dreaming during childhood and then getting regular lucid dreams because of that?

It may not necessarily count as "truly" natural, but maybe you could say that you have been a natural since a certain date?

Originally Posted by Yuusha

Is it possible to "become" a natural?
I mean, let's say that someone has mostly ordinary dreams until adulthood, and then starts practicing lucid dreaming until he or she suddenly starts having them spontaneously very often without even practicing anymore.
Can this be called "natural" lucid dreaming?
I mean, wouldn't that kind of be the same thing as learning lucid dreaming during childhood and then getting regular lucid dreams because of that?

It may not necessarily count as "truly" natural, but maybe you could say that you have been a natural since a certain date?

I understand what you're saying and I know the term natural doesn't just mean learning lucid dreaming and because of that finding more LDs not difficult. You could notice this in my first sentence, the "let's say that from...", which expresses a hypothetical situation of something the writer knows isn't true in the current situation.


Sorry, I've been learning a lot for Dutch literature exam lately...

I had the nightmares as a child too! And I started my lucid dreaming journey from those.
I also have these traits:
-sensitivity to the paranormal
-heightened senses
-introvert
-genetic markers? not sure what you mean by that, but my sister and my mom are both natural LDers as well.

On a slightly different note, shouldn't it be extremely comforting to be able to lucid dream really often?
It seems to me like all skilled lucid dreamers, particularly "stars" like Stephen LaBerge and Alan Worsley, seem very happy and content with their lives - which, of course, isn't that surprising.
I mean, if you often get lucid dreams then wouldn't this give you fantastic opportunities to improve anything that you are unhappy about in waking life?
I know that i personally feel awesome right after a great lucid dream, and every lucid dream landscape is unique and unexplored, so they seem like a source of endless, limitless joy.

By definition a natural is someone that LDs before being told what it is. In this, most everyone is a natural (most people have at least one LD before knowing what it is). I think of a natural as someone who has consistent lucid dreams without being told what it is. It doesn't matter how easy or hard it comes to them, it is just the start that sets someone up as a natural. It is impossible to "become" a natural, because you have already heard what LDing is. Naturals generally have 10-20 years of practice before we meet them, and like anyone that LDs for 10-20 years, they are generally better than someone that LDs for a couple of years. SinisterDezz has been LDing for years longer than me and has a bit more on the side of lucidity than I. Consider that when wishing you were a natural. A long arduous journey alone that doesn't look like it is all that much faster than techniques. I prefer my method of being surrounded with people that I can talk to and learning it seemingly faster than naturals start out at. Naturals don't have any competition or stress on their LDing since they don't compare themselves to anyone else. This is a good thing if looking at mental barriers, but putting a little pressure on something without overloading it is what is needed for me to do anything.

A little late to the party.

I've been lucid dreaming my whole life and i didnt realize that it wasnt normal for the longest time. When i would talk to people at school about being "awake" in my dreams, I was amazed that no one had experienced it.

-personality (introvert/extrovert) (or personality tests such as Myers-Briggs) ISTJ
-genetic markers My parents or bothers dont lucid dream.
-positive or negative RH factor (blood types) No idea lol
-sensitivity to the paranormal No, very logical, science orientated view to everything. Although, Ive always had a deep fascination with the unknown. Life after death, space, physical mysteries of the universe etc..
-heightened senses Not that i can thick of. I do have adhd though. Im very observational and a critical thinker.