Daydream recall = dream recall ?

**Gyalogos** · 02-12-2015 02:23 AM

Hello to Everyone !

In my dream I was arguing with a friend. Before this night, all the day (many times) I was doing the same in my daydreams. In the last days I am analyzing my daydreaming. For me it looks like dreaming and daydreaming are the same. At least they are relatives with the same root. My dream recall is not good, but when I have a lucid dream, my recall is fine. At night when I go to bed, I can recall my daytime activities very well, but it is heavy to remember what I was daydreaming. So, I can remember what I was doing at day, but I cant remember what was happening in my head when I was not aware. The analogy is, that I cant remember my regular dreams, because they are happening in my head, when I am not aware. I am doing some standard self-awareness trainings and RC.
My RC is: Wow! I am not here. What is happening? Where I am? I look my hands. It is just few seconds, but very serious seconds. After this I try to remember what I was daydreaming. The remembering, the fragments, how the details are coming back, the whole feeling is just like when I try to remember at night or morning my dreams.
I hope, the daydream recall will improve my dream recall, and maybe it has an effect on lucidity, because I believe that awareness and memory are going hand in hand, and one strengthens the other.

So, is this a good idea or not ?

Sorry for my English.

**Dthoughts** · 02-12-2015 02:34 AM

I think it's a marvelous idea. I wish I had your daydreaming abilities.

I would say: The lucid attention that you hold (little or big) in a daydream determins the memory that you have of it and attention you put in daydreaming acts a mirror for how you are attentive in regular dreams as well.

I mean. Why would you argue in a dream.. You can do anything you want. Very obviously you where not paying enough attention at this point. And drifted off into intuitive mindgames. Better to make up with a friend, even in dreams.

**Gyalogos** · 02-12-2015 02:43 AM

I was arguing with my friend in a regular dream. I dont argue in a LD. It was just a example for daydreaming=dreaming. Question is: if I improve daydreaming recall, will my dream recall improve to ?

**Sivason** · 02-12-2015 03:03 AM

I am sure it will. Good idea.

Try it for awhile and let us know if it helps.

**Gyalogos** · 02-12-2015 03:12 AM

Maybe I am using wrong words...For me daydreaming = thinking without observing it, being zoomed out in some unnecessary thoughts (cheap, repeated, "B class" story, in the future or past, depressing negative or narcotic positive). Unconscious state. Like non LD dreaming.

**Dthoughts** · 02-12-2015 03:15 AM

Originally Posted by Gyalogos

I was arguing with my friend in a regular dream. I dont argue in a LD. It was just a example for daydreaming=dreaming. Question is: if I improve daydreaming recall, will my dream recall improve to ?

Yes, but how many nights could you be spending argueing with imaginary people? Considering how you aren't remembering it. I also have recall issues. What if we aren't recalling dreams because we are both doing stupid shit like that. That is the theory on dream recall that I am holding now.

I hope, the daydream recall will improve my dream recall, and maybe it has an effect on lucidity, because I believe that awareness and memory are going hand in hand, and one strengthens the other.

So, is this a good idea or not ?

Ofcourse it's a good idea! You had all the things in ur mind. You didn't really need us. I'm just offering my perspective on the information you represented

How to improve recall of daydreams? That is more difficult. I say, be conscious. I think lucidity is the key to recall. Paying attention. As you already said; Awareness.
But realizing that, will you even daydream at all? My guess is not at all. And that is very very good.

btw, you are very much right I thought you meant daydreaming as in consciously putting urself in a trance.

Thanks for clearing it up.

**Gyalogos** · 02-12-2015 03:21 AM

Oh, it would be nice that some other beginner tries it out too. You know I am working on dismantling a habit, that I love. I am sure i will leave it. I am "programing" in my deepest core the picture that I am living without it. My chronic regularity is collapsing now. So, I am a old pot smoker. My No 1. barrier to skyrocket my lucid abilities. It inhibits daytime awareness and dream recall. Please sivason, give me time.

**Dthoughts** · 02-12-2015 03:26 AM

Oh you smoke pot. No wonder you drift off

There is so much more to do without smoking MJ. It takes a sober mind to see it is all (I also did smoke a lot in the past.).

Anyway there's a point for daydreams and thoughts in general being very hard to remember. And what is dreams but very extensive thought-patterns.

There's also a lot of noise in thoughts and somehow this translates in dreams.

**Gyalogos** · 02-12-2015 03:32 AM

Originally Posted by Dthoughts

Ofcourse it's a good idea! You had all the things in ur mind. You didn't really need us. I'm just offering my perspective on the information you represented

How to improve recall of daydreams? That is more difficult. I say, be conscious. I think lucidity is the key to recall. Paying attention. As you already said; Awareness.
But realizing that, will you even daydream at all? My guess is not at all. And that is very very good.

Once time I was thinking: The secret for immortality is, that you stay aware and dont daydream from sunrise to sunset.

So, yes, I can not daydream with awareness. Daydreaming (not thinking !) is going on "automatic". When my awareness is on, the "automatic" is off, and the bla-bla in my head stops. There is silence (I can think, if I want). In this silence a fine tension is growing. After 1-2 minutes I must smile (sometimes laugh). After 3-4 minutes i can breath very deep, the picture is clean and everything has a dreamy white blur. After this there is coming a vibration that is fine like silk. At this point I am not fighting anymore, it is easy to hold the silence. I think I made it never longer, than 5 minutes. There is a long way to do it from sunrise to sunset.

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(and I know there are some paradox things: -the picture is clean and everything has a dreamy white blur - heavy to describe
- it is easy to hold the silence... I made it never longer, than 5 minutes - Im just POP! out.

The pot thing in the last year was "in and out". In the "out" times I made around 30 LD-s. I am not stupido amigo!

Of course LUCID DREAMING ! It is the nuclear weapon of self-knowledge. In reality, it is so incredible superior stuf, that we can not describe it.

Originally Posted by Dthoughts

Yes, but how many nights could you be spending argueing with imaginary people? Considering how you aren't remembering it. I also have recall issues. What if we aren't recalling dreams because we are both doing stupid shit like that. That is the theory on dream recall that I am holding now.

Yes. Recall and awareness, hand in hand. Bad awareness=bad focus=bad recall. Bad awareness=high chance for thinking stupid shit things.

**Dthoughts** · 02-23-2015 09:20 AM

So, I can remember what I was doing at day, but I cant remember what was happening in my head when I was not aware.

Just now I am falling asleep . I lay in bed first for about 1.5 hour and eventually drift into a trance. There are two "scenes" which are a lot like thoughts. But they are more akin to insights. They happen for only 2 minutes. And I wake up. Jolt awake. I can not remember what happens in these 2 minutes. I lost awareness didn't I?

I feel like if I did not jolt up I would just fall asleep. This dreamy imagery is Always extremely hard for me to remember and my recall is quite honestly terrible. Sivason, I guess I know what needs to happen but do you have an agreement that this trance-memory is dream-memory. And any tips for being able to remember and be aware?

I feel like I should be lucid in those moments. But it's tiresome to be lucid 24/7.. I am not Tibetan Dream Yoga.. Or maybe I should really opt to become one.

Since these moments seem like insight in a way it's like I need to lose a sense of control and/or a sense of I on those moments but stay aware.

**Nfri** · 02-23-2015 10:39 AM

It doesn't matter if you improving your recall of daydreaming, wake living or dreaming. It's the same skill.

**Gyalogos** · 02-23-2015 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Dthoughts

Just now I am falling asleep . I lay in bed first for about 1.5 hour and eventually drift into a trance. There are two "scenes" which are a lot like thoughts. But they are more akin to insights. They happen for only 2 minutes. And I wake up. Jolt awake. I can not remember what happens in these 2 minutes. I lost awareness didn't I?

I feel like if I did not jolt up I would just fall asleep. This dreamy imagery is Always extremely hard for me to remember and my recall is quite honestly terrible. Sivason, I guess I know what needs to happen but do you have an agreement that this trance-memory is dream-memory. And any tips for being able to remember and be aware?

I feel like I should be lucid in those moments. But it's tiresome to be lucid 24/7.. I am not Tibetan Dream Yoga.. Or maybe I should really opt to become one.

Since these moments seem like insight in a way it's like I need to lose a sense of control and/or a sense of I on those moments but stay aware.

Yesterday night, I was entering the trans to. In the deepest moment I was seeing my nose, and I was for a second in a room. There was a strong wave that almost washed my awareness away. I think my holding to awareness was very agressive, so I was coming out from this border state. This is the sensible moment, when I need to balance in this fragile state.

Originally Posted by Nfri

It doesn't matter if you improving your recall of daydreaming, wake living or dreaming. It's the same skill.

I think it is yes and no. Yes, because memory is memory. No, because I am remembering my daytime activities very good, but i lose my daydream memories very fast. I am zoomed out, then I stop, I make RC, and I try to remember. What I was doing in the last 10 minutes? It is easy, but what I was thinking (dreaming) in the last 10 minutes, is hard, like dream recall. Maybe it is a question of the focus, and my focus is on the "outside" for decades, so I need time strengten my focus on dreaming (daydreaming).