Reached Focus 100 and made life changing realizations

**michael79** · 02-13-2020 09:49 PM

Hi,
a month ago I have a dream that finally led me to a breakthrough into my lucid exploration, as a result of which I had several realizations I wanted to share. The dream was short but very powerful.

Began as a non-lucid dream, I was chased by monsters through the floors of something like a hotel when I reached the underground spa floor, out of nowhere a dream character grabbed me and threw me into the pool, I tried to get out but he used water manipulation to keep me inside. In times like this I always become semi-lucid and start using lucid powers, this time was no different, I tried to counter him with my own water manipulation, but he was very strong, he was drowning me in the pool, I was holding my breath but I was on my limit, suddenly a thought popped in my mind, why I must struggle, why I need to fight back, why I need to do anything at all, just let go. I open my mouth and let the water to run through my body, I (my dream body) drowned and sank to the bottom of the pool. In that moment of absolutely steadiness my mind became calm as the water surface, my nonbody self popped from my dream body leading me to lucidity, but this time was different, I was my nonbody and my dream body at the same time. My dream body became light as the air and start to float up, coming out of the water, while I (my nonbody) was floating around me. The DC was wondering how I'm still alive, after I drowned up. I was always curious about the the nature of DC's, having many theories about their existence and why they are getting irritated for calling them not real.

First realization) DC's can't see or sense my floating nonbody!

I open my dream body eyes, realising that I have two viewpoints, one perspective from my dream body and one from my nonbody, giving me a total 360 degree of vision, ultimately reaching 100 Focus. My mind was moving so peacefuly and focused like never before, like one second in this state was like a hour of deep thinking in wake world. The DC was cursing me and wanted to fight with me.

Second realisation) All DC's are created by the unconscious mind with limited fake memories only to contain the dreamer to the dream scenario, they doesn't know they are not real because, they have memories of being real and there are certain word triggers, programmatically integrated in their mind by the unconscious mind. Words like "not real" and "DC", which trigger change in behaviour for the purpose of putting the dreamer into new dream scenario.

Upon realising this I just said "begone" and all DC's and dream monsters vanish in thin air, like they never existed in first place. I observed my own state, which led me to a new realization.

Third realisation)I'm my dream body and nonbody, and I'm not.

Finally left alone I try to explore as much as possible of this dream world, the speed I was moving while exploring was terrific, I visited a thousand rooms in just a mere of seconds, searching for the source. I couldn't reached it, the doors were endless, I felt that I can't maintain that state of mind any longer, so I just stood still for a couple of seconds analyzing my sorounding with my 360 vision and my computing capabilities of that state. Just before my focus to collapse I reached to a realization. I always theorising that dream world act as a maze.

Grand realisation) Dreamworld is a infinity maze constructed by the unconscious mind for purpose of containing the conscious mind, a mind prison, restricting the power of the consciousness. One will not find the exit of the maze, by following the rules of Dreamworld, because everything is created around your consciousness, left and right, forward and backward, up and down, making you feel the Dreamworld is enormous place. Running, flying, teleporting won't lead you to the exit of the maze. The only way to exit the maze is to penetrate the fourth wall, but not by breaking it. I have done this only once some years ago by incident, it was like there was a forcefield and very weird feeling.

Next time when I get a stable lucid dream, I will penetrate the forth wall looking for the source.

A question to long time lucid dreamers, did you reach similar state and what you learn from it?

**Occipitalred** · 02-14-2020 01:36 AM

Hey,

I liked reading about your dream! It's pretty fun and also relatable.

It reminds me a bit of when I observed DCs were never flying along with me, so I felt like it was a reliable evasion strategy... Spoiler: It's not always reliable, haha.

In that sense, I think it's fun to know our personal dream behaviour. If I observe "DCs don't fly", that's an interesting observation about how my dream tends to behave. Yet, I think it's limiting. If I understand "DCs can do anything," I have a more real perspective, along with potential for interesting events...

About your realization #1. "DC's only see your dream body"
That's a cool observation of your dream behaviour, but I challenge you to go and be "seen" by a DC while bodiless.

Jumping right to your realization #3 "I am my dream body and nonbody, and not"
That's true! Well, if we're not talking about astral projection, we're talking about dreaming...
You have one physical body. It's still in bed. In your simulation, there is not a second body, just the sensations of one. All your senses are just that, senses and ideas. So whereas you can sense to be in a body, you can also be in a 3rd person view. There can be no body at all. There are no such limits in a dream. You can suddenly simulate the senses of being the "DC." You can go wild and simulate anything. That's why your simulation of a person can definitely simulate seeing "you" while you are simulating bodilessness! Though, you are right, it might be less intuitive!

Back to realization #2: "DCs have fake memories"
Again, the dream is just simulated sensations and ideas. The DCs do not have a physical brain with their own mind and memories. They're only holding up on the basis of association and expectations as far as I am understanding. So again, I see this realization as another great observation of dream behaviour. I'll say, my dreams behave the same way. DCs don't understand or play along when I say it's a dream. They reject that preposition. But I think it's limiting to say this is a rule, rather than a tendency.

Actually, I want to discuss this point. Why are our dreams (you and mine) behaving this way? Why do I constantly get confusion when telling a DC I am dreaming? I'd love dreams where my DCs would suddenly awaken with a similar lucidity as mine and understand this is a dream. There's so much potential for fun scenarios.

I think it's because we both assume the DC to have a mind and an identity like real people do. So when we tell them that, we expect a real person reaction... how does a real person react to being told they are not real? Definitely not with agreement. This is new for me, but I'm gonna challenge myself to view my DCs not as people but as kind of archetypal personalities, much like I view Major Arcana in Tarot. I just imagine such symbolic personalities to be very down to be in a dream since it doesn't put in question their reality and identity (They are symbols and ideas after all). I'm excited to let go of "DC's having false memories"

Now, lastly: Realization 4: dreamscape: Endless maze
Sounds a lot like Inception, how they need an architect to build the dream. But really, everything that is out of your simulated senses in the dream, really doesn't exist. So there is no need for a map, for a maze. It's all filled in as you enter these places. I'm less excited about this challenge of leaving the maze and such... The dream is chaotic because it builds itself randomly based on associations much like I can quickly make this list:

Cheese, pan, circle, clown, red, tomato, leaves, garden, Alice in wonderland, rabbit, easter, eggs, giants, peas....

Do I want to move quickly through these sequences of association? I think I'd rather take my time and have a more focused thematic dream, then a deconstruction. Trying to physically travel out of this, you're likely to fall on tired, bored associations, like white room, white room, white room, hallway, white room, white room....

But that's my dream behaviour. I wish you luck finding out how you're dream will behave. And maybe also having fun freeing yourself from rules!

**michael79** · 02-15-2020 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by Occipitalred

About your realization #1. "DC's only see your dream body"
That's a cool observation of your dream behaviour, but I challenge you to go and be "seen" by a DC while bodiless.

I have other bodiless dreams and found them as highest form of lucidity, while bodiless, DC's cannot see me or interact with me, because they can exist only in a body form. I was never able to convert non-lucid DC into lucid one, because lucidity cannot sink in their thoughts, unconscious mind is preventing this from happening. In some of my bodiless dream the only way to interact with DC's or the environment is to possess a DC body, it is pretty easy just enter in their heads and you are them, but only when possess them you can understand they are hollow inside, no memories or feelings, when I possess entities from astral world, I have access to their memories and feelings, their desires.

Jumping right to your realization #3 "I am my dream body and nonbody, and not"
That's true! Well, if we're not talking about astral projection, we're talking about dreaming...
You have one physical body. It's still in bed. In your simulation, there is not a second body, just the sensations of one. All your senses are just that, senses and ideas. So whereas you can sense to be in a body, you can also be in a 3rd person view. There can be no body at all. There are no such limits in a dream. You can suddenly simulate the senses of being the "DC." You can go wild and simulate anything. That's why your simulation of a person can definitely simulate seeing "you" while you are simulating bodilessness! Though, you are right, it might be less intuitive!

As I said already it's impossible to be seen while bodiless, because they *exist* on different frequency. What if I tell you that I'm neither my physical body, but that put us beyond dreaming.

Back to realization #2: "DCs have fake memories"
Again, the dream is just simulated sensations and ideas. The DCs do not have a physical brain with their own mind and memories. They're only holding up on the basis of association and expectations as far as I am understanding. So again, I see this realization as another great observation of dream behaviour. I'll say, my dreams behave the same way. DCs don't understand or play along when I say it's a dream. They reject that preposition. But I think it's limiting to say this is a rule, rather than a tendency.

They doesn't have mind because they are controlled by unconscious mind, but the unconscious mind also think much differently than conscious mind and I think we understand very little about our unconscious mind. I think DC's just live in the moment, no past no future.

Actually, I want to discuss this point. Why are our dreams (you and mine) behaving this way? Why do I constantly get confusion when telling a DC I am dreaming? I'd love dreams where my DCs would suddenly awaken with a similar lucidity as mine and understand this is a dream. There's so much potential for fun scenarios.

I think it's because we both assume the DC to have a mind and an identity like real people do. So when we tell them that, we expect a real person reaction... how does a real person react to being told they are not real? Definitely not with agreement. This is new for me, but I'm gonna challenge myself to view my DCs not as people but as kind of archetypal personalities, much like I view Major Arcana in Tarot. I just imagine such symbolic personalities to be very down to be in a dream since it doesn't put in question their reality and identity (They are symbols and ideas after all). I'm excited to let go of "DC's having false memories"

This is a part of the mind maze.

Now, lastly: Realization 4: dreamscape: Endless maze
Sounds a lot like Inception, how they need an architect to build the dream. But really, everything that is out of your simulated senses in the dream, really doesn't exist. So there is no need for a map, for a maze. It's all filled in as you enter these places. I'm less excited about this challenge of leaving the maze and such... The dream is chaotic because it builds itself randomly based on associations much like I can quickly make this list:

Cheese, pan, circle, clown, red, tomato, leaves, garden, Alice in wonderland, rabbit, easter, eggs, giants, peas....

Do I want to move quickly through these sequences of association? I think I'd rather take my time and have a more focused thematic dream, then a deconstrucion. Trying to physically travel out of this, you're likely to fall on tired, bored associations, like white room, white room, white room, hallway, white room, white room....

What if I tell you that astral entities already tried inception on me and after that I must say that big chunk from Inception movie is very correct.

Associations and everything you described so far are also part of the maze, only when you look beyond them and penetrate the forth wall, you can connect to the Source.

I thought there will be more interest on the subject, what happen to people that claimed to have ten of thousands lucid dreams, did they learn something in the process or everything was for nothing

**Occipitalred** · 02-15-2020 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by michael79

I thought there will be more interest on the subject, what happen to people that claimed to have ten of thousands lucid dreams, did they learn something in the process or everything was for nothing

If you had posted when I first joined Dreamviews, there would be more conversation. Maybe people have moved to Reddit and Discord now. I'm not sure. People are reading though, don't worry.

But to respond to your comment, my hobbie is dreaming, not astral projection. I've never had that chance despite inviting positive astral entities into my dreams, or sending out the message that I would accept an invitation. No such chance. But it's OK, because my hobbie is dreaming. I have learned a lot from dreaming. The most important teaching was not the structure or metaphysics of dreams. For me dreaming, is maintaining a relationship with myself, with my unconscious mind. The greatest impact dreams have had on my life was inviting me to open up more to people in my life. I am so grateful for this. So, I don't agree that people not crossing 4th walls are getting nothing out of their hobby. Sometimes, I want to experience the art my mind can dream up. Modest goals are very rewarding regarding dreams.

Originally Posted by michael79

I have other bodiless dreams and found them as highest form of lucidity, while bodiless, DC's cannot see me or interact with me, because they can exist only in a body form. I was never able to convert non-lucid DC into lucid one, because lucidity cannot sink in their thoughts, unconscious mind is preventing this from happening. In some of my bodiless dream the only way to interact with DC's or the environment is to possess a DC body, it is pretty easy just enter in their heads and you are them, but only when possess them you can understand they are hollow inside, no memories or feelings, when I possess entities from astral world, I have access to their memories and feelings, their desires.

As I said already it's impossible to be seen while bodiless, because they *exist* on different frequency.

I have a dream perspective of these experiences, so those dreams sound great. If you believe these are astral entities that exist on different frequency, I invite you to rethink your phrasing. "Possessing" other entities sound a bit disrespectful. I don't want to worry you or suggest you to limit your dream experiences but I'd just suggest changing the word "possessing" to perhaps... "communing" with these entities, like entering their "dream, astral bodies" gives you the intimate connection with them of "communion."

If we're talking about dreams, there really are no physical bodies in dreams, just images and simulated sensations of bodies and ideas of people, so that's why they might be empty or not, depending on whether your mind fills those "narrative holes". You can use this knowledge to your advantage.

I'll also point out to you bodiless "DCs" are common. I'm sure you've come across the dream narrator. Like, a voice speaking in your dream, but there is no body. That's a DC without a body.

After our conversation, as I said I would, I made an intention to interpret my DCs not as people but as symbolic identities or archetypes or something conceptual. I've been meaning to meet Dream Pirate (a character introduced to me in my first lucid dream). I never met him but always wanted to. Now, instead of limiting my idea of him to be a pirate that looks a specific way, that I always prevented myself from imagining until I actually met him in a dream, I decided to accept he's just an idea. An idea of what? Of a dream guide. Dream pirate, for me, was a conceptual person that accompanies me in dreams and holds dream wisdom. He represents lucidity, dream control, and dream behaviour. I see him as the part of my unconscious that can both guide and train me in my dream experiences. Then, last night as I dreamed, I met a DC, and told them that I was dreaming, let's go on an adventure. He did not resist, he followed me even when I went very far and when I asked him what he wanted to do, he actually had a response. He said he wanted to go at war. I was surprised. But I said yes. And the dream put us in his scenario and we were at war. He had powers and used them before me. My own powers were inspired by his. Was he Dream Pirate? It barely matters. He did have the essence of a dream guide. He represented the dream, deciding the flow of things, down with the idea that I was dreaming, showing me things I could do. And though I have difficulty understanding why I'd want to go to war in my dream, it's actually surprisingly thematically relevant in ways it took me time to make out. yet, he wasn't another person; just a part of the dream.

So this is a big success for me, thank you, it wouldn't have happened without you. It does show that DCs can "accept" the dream. If you don't expect them to refuse the premise.

Originally Posted by michael79

What if I tell you that I'm neither my physical body, but that put us beyond dreaming.

Haha, indeed, that would be beyond dreaming. But perhaps appropriate to an astral projection conversation.

**michael79** · 03-08-2020 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by Occipitalred

But to respond to your comment, my hobbie is dreaming, not astral projection. I've never had that chance despite inviting positive astral entities into my dreams, or sending out the message that I would accept an invitation. No such chance.

I am sure you already had and will have more AP, you just don't know it, because AP can happen unconsciously, lucidity is not needed. Maybe consciously you have some fears to go out of the box, because fear is the only stopping power, but that doesn't mean you didn't met some beings already while in a lucid dream, because beings are playful and they tend to come uninvited.

But it's OK, because my hobbie is dreaming. I have learned a lot from dreaming. The most important teaching was not the structure or metaphysics of dreams. For me dreaming, is maintaining a relationship with myself, with my unconscious mind. The greatest impact dreams have had on my life was inviting me to open up more to people in my life. I am so grateful for this. Sometimes, I want to experience the art my mind can dream up. Modest goals are very rewarding regarding dreams.

I completely respect that, because I also want to explore the depths of my mind, meeting my subconscious dream guide was a profound experience for me, which make me level up a lot faster, ultimately opening the path to my higher self.

So, I don't agree that people not crossing 4th walls are getting nothing out of their hobby.

I didn't say that, everybody got what they desire the most. Everybody have a goal to accomplish!

I have a dream perspective of these experiences, so those dreams sound great. If you believe these are astral entities that exist on different frequency,

Everything exist on different frequency, this world, the other worlds, you, the matter itself and everything is connected. On place you are sitting right now, there are countless worlds only separated by those very frequency. The past, the present and the future are here as well. When I visited the fifth dimension, I understood time doesn't really exist. Past, future and present are one and the same.

I invite you to rethink your phrasing. "Possessing" other entities sound a bit disrespectful. I don't want to worry you or suggest you to limit your dream experiences but I'd just suggest changing the word "possessing" to perhaps... "communing" with these entities, like entering their "dream, astral bodies" gives you the intimate connection with them of "communion."

As disrespectful as it sound, that is one of my prime abilities while in astral form, but most of the time I tend just to observe their action while in their bodies*, but more of this maybe I will post in beyond dreaming.

If we're talking about dreams, there really are no physical bodies in dreams, just images and simulated sensations of bodies and ideas of people, so that's why they might be empty or not, depending on whether your mind fills those "narrative holes". You can use this knowledge to your advantage.

All DC's are figments of your unconscious mind, they are just there to play with you.

I'll also point out to you bodiless "DCs" are common. I'm sure you've come across the dream narrator. Like, a voice speaking in your dream, but there is no body. That's a DC without a body.

I never encountered a dream narrator, the only voice I encountered is of my dream guide. But sound is just part of your unconscious mind as well, think about it, you hear a phone ringing or bird sing or maybe a thunder, if I follow your idea about bodiless example, then all those sound are DC's without a body, but in the end they are just parts of your unconscious.

After our conversation, as I said I would, I made an intention to interpret my DCs not as people but as symbolic identities or archetypes or something conceptual. I've been meaning to meet Dream Pirate (a character introduced to me in my first lucid dream). I never met him but always wanted to. Now, instead of limiting my idea of him to be a pirate that looks a specific way, that I always prevented myself from imagining until I actually met him in a dream, I decided to accept he's just an idea. An idea of what? Of a dream guide. Dream pirate, for me, was a conceptual person that accompanies me in dreams and holds dream wisdom. He represents lucidity, dream control, and dream behaviour. I see him as the part of my unconscious that can both guide and train me in my dream experiences. Then, last night as I dreamed, I met a DC, and told them that I was dreaming, let's go on an adventure. He did not resist, he followed me even when I went very far and when I asked him what he wanted to do, he actually had a response. He said he wanted to go at war. I was surprised. But I said yes. And the dream put us in his scenario and we were at war. He had powers and used them before me. My own powers were inspired by his. Was he Dream Pirate? It barely matters. He did have the essence of a dream guide. He represented the dream, deciding the flow of things, down with the idea that I was dreaming, showing me things I could do. And though I have difficulty understanding why I'd want to go to war in my dream, it's actually surprisingly thematically relevant in ways it took me time to make out. yet, he wasn't another person; just a part of the dream.

Yes he was part of your unconscious mind, I have numerous encounters like this and they always want to bind me to the dream itself, while putting me in interesting scenario's, that is not totally a bad thing, you still get what you seek.

So this is a big success for me, thank you, it wouldn't have happened without you. It does show that DCs can "accept" the dream. If you don't expect them to refuse the premise.

Yes they can accept, but they can't follow, they cannot become like you, they can't develop a consciousness, but I found a different way, dream characters that already exist or you meet are part of your unconscious mind, but if you shape one yourself consciously, he will be part of your consciousness instead of your unconsciousness and he will have a knowledge beyond a normal DC, next time you can try this, maybe you can even make him a constant resident of your dream world, helping you in lucidity.

**Occipitalred** · 03-11-2020 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by michael79

I am sure you already had and will have more AP, you just don't know it, because AP can happen unconsciously, lucidity is not needed. Maybe consciously you have some fears to go out of the box, because fear is the only stopping power, but that doesn't mean you didn't met some beings already while in a lucid dream, because beings are playful and they tend to come uninvited.

I don't think I'm scared. But I do try to have a respectful and serious attitude: I don't invite in negative entities. Maybe that's naive of me... Black and white thinking... By denying anything negative, I'm simultaneously denying anything positive that comes with it, perhaps.

Are you sure fear is the only stopping power? Wouldn't it be so convenient if fear could protect us...

How do you discern between AP and dream? Are there unique characteristics between the two or is it about knowing? Isn't it a big challenge that as lucid dreamers, we strive to clearly understand the dream experience as a dream experience. Perceiving one's dream experience as a physical or astral experience is a failure of awareness during a dream. Is there a reality check to distinguish between an astral and a dream experience as there is between a physical and a dream experience?

Originally Posted by michael79

I didn't say that, everybody got what they desire the most. Everybody have a goal to accomplish!
I completely respect that, because I also want to explore the depths of my mind, meeting my subconscious dream guide was a profound experience for me, which make me level up a lot faster, ultimately opening the path to my higher self.

Sorry, you said "I thought there will be more interest on the subject, what happen to people that claimed to have ten of thousands lucid dreams, did they learn something in the process or everything was for nothing"
I interpreted wrong. I thought you meant that it seemed as if no one here had gotten anything out of their practice. But I see now, that you were simply seeking participation and asking "what did you learn?" Too bad your only participant in this thread has no conscious AP experience... haha.

Originally Posted by michael79

Everything exist on different frequency, this world, the other worlds, you, the matter itself and everything is connected. On place you are sitting right now, there are countless worlds only separated by those very frequency. The past, the present and the future are here as well. When I visited the fifth dimension, I understood time doesn't really exist. Past, future and present are one and the same.

Can you share an example of how this experience has affected your daily life?
Honestly, the experience of visiting a fifth dimension, becoming detached of time... It seems to me to be a very beautiful experience. Yet, it also seems like a fun mental exercise that one can meditate over, seeing the world with the mindset that time is an illusion. It's fun, but after the -moment- has passed, aren't we forever bound by time? Unable to change the past, unable to see the future, the present always pushing us forward.

Originally Posted by michael79

As disrespectful as it sound, that is one of my prime abilities while in astral form, but most of the time I tend just to observe their action while in their bodies*, but more of this maybe I will post in beyond dreaming.

"As disrespectful as it sounds?" If I'm in a dream, if I'm in a game, the experience is amoral (there is no good or bad), but if we're talking about other real entities, astral or physical, whether it's your main ability or not, it's different. How much respect are astral entities due? I would of thought as much as physical people? And people wouldn't appreciate me possessing them even if I could.

Originally Posted by michael79

All DC's are figments of your unconscious mind, they are just there to play with you.

Let's play

Originally Posted by michael79

I never encountered a dream narrator, the only voice I encountered is of my dream guide. But sound is just part of your unconscious mind as well, think about it, you hear a phone ringing or bird sing or maybe a thunder, if I follow your idea about bodiless example, then all those sound are DC's without a body, but in the end they are just parts of your unconscious.

We agree!

Originally Posted by michael79

Yes he was part of your unconscious mind, I have numerous encounters like this and they always want to bind me to the dream itself, while putting me in interesting scenario's, that is not totally a bad thing, you still get what you seek.

Bind? You'd rather -leave the box- I'm guessing? Why do you prefer leaving the dream and entering the astral (am I using the right vocabulary?) Is it that you form relationships with astral entities, places, moments that you like to visit (as you would in the physical world?) Is it that you can meditate on different mindsets such as timelessness and spacelessness? Or does it feel like a fantasy of having transcended physical reality?

Originally Posted by michael79

Yes they can accept, but they can't follow, they cannot become like you, they can't develop a consciousness, but I found a different way, dream characters that already exist or you meet are part of your unconscious mind, but if you shape one yourself consciously, he will be part of your consciousness instead of your unconsciousness and he will have a knowledge beyond a normal DC, next time you can try this, maybe you can even make him a constant resident of your dream world, helping you in lucidity.

If we're talking with the Jungian model... like a DC formed by the ego rather than the unconscious? Cool. I'm not visualizing it yet, but I'll try it out!

**9sk** · 03-22-2020 05:07 PM

1) The ordinary character, maybe not. But what if you asked The Doctor? Or your dream guide? The subconscious? Your future self? I'd be heavily doubtful if you could even fool the very last challenge.

2) True, but characters may challenge that notion, like the dream guide, or someone who likes talking about dreams in real life (my dream's sister got frustrated she wasn't able to deduce it was a dream before I could)

3) well pointed out!

4) I must say that even with this, the associations usually don't go complete 180, even with contrasting genres the stories complement each other, and there can be unexpected twists along the way.