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      Hi,
      a month ago I have a dream that finally led me to a breakthrough into my lucid exploration, as a result of which I had several realizations I wanted to share. The dream was short but very powerful.

      Began as a non-lucid dream, I was chased by monsters through the floors of something like a hotel when I reached the underground spa floor, out of nowhere a dream character grabbed me and threw me into the pool, I tried to get out but he used water manipulation to keep me inside. In times like this I always become semi-lucid and start using lucid powers, this time was no different, I tried to counter him with my own water manipulation, but he was very strong, he was drowning me in the pool, I was holding my breath but I was on my limit, suddenly a thought popped in my mind, why I must struggle, why I need to fight back, why I need to do anything at all, just let go. I open my mouth and let the water to run through my body, I (my dream body) drowned and sank to the bottom of the pool. In that moment of absolutely steadiness my mind became calm as the water surface, my nonbody self popped from my dream body leading me to lucidity, but this time was different, I was my nonbody and my dream body at the same time. My dream body became light as the air and start to float up, coming out of the water, while I (my nonbody) was floating around me. The DC was wondering how I'm still alive, after I drowned up. I was always curious about the the nature of DC's, having many theories about their existence and why they are getting irritated for calling them not real.

      First realization) DC's can't see or sense my floating nonbody!

      I open my dream body eyes, realising that I have two viewpoints, one perspective from my dream body and one from my nonbody, giving me a total 360 degree of vision, ultimately reaching 100 Focus. My mind was moving so peacefuly and focused like never before, like one second in this state was like a hour of deep thinking in wake world. The DC was cursing me and wanted to fight with me.

      Second realisation) All DC's are created by the unconscious mind with limited fake memories only to contain the dreamer to the dream scenario, they doesn't know they are not real because, they have memories of being real and there are certain word triggers, programmatically integrated in their mind by the unconscious mind. Words like "not real" and "DC", which trigger change in behaviour for the purpose of putting the dreamer into new dream scenario.

      Upon realising this I just said "begone" and all DC's and dream monsters vanish in thin air, like they never existed in first place. I observed my own state, which led me to a new realization.

      Third realisation)I'm my dream body and nonbody, and I'm not.

      Finally left alone I try to explore as much as possible of this dream world, the speed I was moving while exploring was terrific, I visited a thousand rooms in just a mere of seconds, searching for the source. I couldn't reached it, the doors were endless, I felt that I can't maintain that state of mind any longer, so I just stood still for a couple of seconds analyzing my sorounding with my 360 vision and my computing capabilities of that state. Just before my focus to collapse I reached to a realization. I always theorising that dream world act as a maze.

      Grand realisation) Dreamworld is a infinity maze constructed by the unconscious mind for purpose of containing the conscious mind, a mind prison, restricting the power of the consciousness. One will not find the exit of the maze, by following the rules of Dreamworld, because everything is created around your consciousness, left and right, forward and backward, up and down, making you feel the Dreamworld is enormous place. Running, flying, teleporting won't lead you to the exit of the maze. The only way to exit the maze is to penetrate the fourth wall, but not by breaking it. I have done this only once some years ago by incident, it was like there was a forcefield and very weird feeling.

      Next time when I get a stable lucid dream, I will penetrate the forth wall looking for the source.

      A question to long time lucid dreamers, did you reach similar state and what you learn from it?
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      Hey,

      I liked reading about your dream! It's pretty fun and also relatable.

      It reminds me a bit of when I observed DCs were never flying along with me, so I felt like it was a reliable evasion strategy... Spoiler: It's not always reliable, haha.

      In that sense, I think it's fun to know our personal dream behaviour. If I observe "DCs don't fly", that's an interesting observation about how my dream tends to behave. Yet, I think it's limiting. If I understand "DCs can do anything," I have a more real perspective, along with potential for interesting events...

      About your realization #1. "DC's only see your dream body"
      That's a cool observation of your dream behaviour, but I challenge you to go and be "seen" by a DC while bodiless.

      Jumping right to your realization #3 "I am my dream body and nonbody, and not"
      That's true! Well, if we're not talking about astral projection, we're talking about dreaming...
      You have one physical body. It's still in bed. In your simulation, there is not a second body, just the sensations of one. All your senses are just that, senses and ideas. So whereas you can sense to be in a body, you can also be in a 3rd person view. There can be no body at all. There are no such limits in a dream. You can suddenly simulate the senses of being the "DC." You can go wild and simulate anything. That's why your simulation of a person can definitely simulate seeing "you" while you are simulating bodilessness! Though, you are right, it might be less intuitive!

      Back to realization #2: "DCs have fake memories"
      Again, the dream is just simulated sensations and ideas. The DCs do not have a physical brain with their own mind and memories. They're only holding up on the basis of association and expectations as far as I am understanding. So again, I see this realization as another great observation of dream behaviour. I'll say, my dreams behave the same way. DCs don't understand or play along when I say it's a dream. They reject that preposition. But I think it's limiting to say this is a rule, rather than a tendency.

      Actually, I want to discuss this point. Why are our dreams (you and mine) behaving this way? Why do I constantly get confusion when telling a DC I am dreaming? I'd love dreams where my DCs would suddenly awaken with a similar lucidity as mine and understand this is a dream. There's so much potential for fun scenarios.

      I think it's because we both assume the DC to have a mind and an identity like real people do. So when we tell them that, we expect a real person reaction... how does a real person react to being told they are not real? Definitely not with agreement. This is new for me, but I'm gonna challenge myself to view my DCs not as people but as kind of archetypal personalities, much like I view Major Arcana in Tarot. I just imagine such symbolic personalities to be very down to be in a dream since it doesn't put in question their reality and identity (They are symbols and ideas after all). I'm excited to let go of "DC's having false memories"

      Now, lastly: Realization 4: dreamscape: Endless maze
      Sounds a lot like Inception, how they need an architect to build the dream. But really, everything that is out of your simulated senses in the dream, really doesn't exist. So there is no need for a map, for a maze. It's all filled in as you enter these places. I'm less excited about this challenge of leaving the maze and such... The dream is chaotic because it builds itself randomly based on associations much like I can quickly make this list:

      Cheese, pan, circle, clown, red, tomato, leaves, garden, Alice in wonderland, rabbit, easter, eggs, giants, peas....

      Do I want to move quickly through these sequences of association? I think I'd rather take my time and have a more focused thematic dream, then a deconstruction. Trying to physically travel out of this, you're likely to fall on tired, bored associations, like white room, white room, white room, hallway, white room, white room....

      But that's my dream behaviour. I wish you luck finding out how you're dream will behave. And maybe also having fun freeing yourself from rules!
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      Quote Originally Posted by Occipitalred View Post

      About your realization #1. "DC's only see your dream body"
      That's a cool observation of your dream behaviour, but I challenge you to go and be "seen" by a DC while bodiless.
      I have other bodiless dreams and found them as highest form of lucidity, while bodiless, DC's cannot see me or interact with me, because they can exist only in a body form. I was never able to convert non-lucid DC into lucid one, because lucidity cannot sink in their thoughts, unconscious mind is preventing this from happening. In some of my bodiless dream the only way to interact with DC's or the environment is to possess a DC body, it is pretty easy just enter in their heads and you are them, but only when possess them you can understand they are hollow inside, no memories or feelings, when I possess entities from astral world, I have access to their memories and feelings, their desires.

      Jumping right to your realization #3 "I am my dream body and nonbody, and not"
      That's true! Well, if we're not talking about astral projection, we're talking about dreaming...
      You have one physical body. It's still in bed. In your simulation, there is not a second body, just the sensations of one. All your senses are just that, senses and ideas. So whereas you can sense to be in a body, you can also be in a 3rd person view. There can be no body at all. There are no such limits in a dream. You can suddenly simulate the senses of being the "DC." You can go wild and simulate anything. That's why your simulation of a person can definitely simulate seeing "you" while you are simulating bodilessness! Though, you are right, it might be less intuitive!
      As I said already it's impossible to be seen while bodiless, because they *exist* on different frequency. What if I tell you that I'm neither my physical body, but that put us beyond dreaming.
      Back to realization #2: "DCs have fake memories"
      Again, the dream is just simulated sensations and ideas. The DCs do not have a physical brain with their own mind and memories. They're only holding up on the basis of association and expectations as far as I am understanding. So again, I see this realization as another great observation of dream behaviour. I'll say, my dreams behave the same way. DCs don't understand or play along when I say it's a dream. They reject that preposition. But I think it's limiting to say this is a rule, rather than a tendency.
      They doesn't have mind because they are controlled by unconscious mind, but the unconscious mind also think much differently than conscious mind and I think we understand very little about our unconscious mind. I think DC's just live in the moment, no past no future.
      Actually, I want to discuss this point. Why are our dreams (you and mine) behaving this way? Why do I constantly get confusion when telling a DC I am dreaming? I'd love dreams where my DCs would suddenly awaken with a similar lucidity as mine and understand this is a dream. There's so much potential for fun scenarios.

      I think it's because we both assume the DC to have a mind and an identity like real people do. So when we tell them that, we expect a real person reaction... how does a real person react to being told they are not real? Definitely not with agreement. This is new for me, but I'm gonna challenge myself to view my DCs not as people but as kind of archetypal personalities, much like I view Major Arcana in Tarot. I just imagine such symbolic personalities to be very down to be in a dream since it doesn't put in question their reality and identity (They are symbols and ideas after all). I'm excited to let go of "DC's having false memories"
      This is a part of the mind maze.
      Now, lastly: Realization 4: dreamscape: Endless maze
      Sounds a lot like Inception, how they need an architect to build the dream. But really, everything that is out of your simulated senses in the dream, really doesn't exist. So there is no need for a map, for a maze. It's all filled in as you enter these places. I'm less excited about this challenge of leaving the maze and such... The dream is chaotic because it builds itself randomly based on associations much like I can quickly make this list:

      Cheese, pan, circle, clown, red, tomato, leaves, garden, Alice in wonderland, rabbit, easter, eggs, giants, peas....

      Do I want to move quickly through these sequences of association? I think I'd rather take my time and have a more focused thematic dream, then a deconstrucion. Trying to physically travel out of this, you're likely to fall on tired, bored associations, like white room, white room, white room, hallway, white room, white room....
      What if I tell you that astral entities already tried inception on me and after that I must say that big chunk from Inception movie is very correct.

      Associations and everything you described so far are also part of the maze, only when you look beyond them and penetrate the forth wall, you can connect to the Source.


      I thought there will be more interest on the subject, what happen to people that claimed to have ten of thousands lucid dreams, did they learn something in the process or everything was for nothing
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      Quote Originally Posted by michael79 View Post
      I thought there will be more interest on the subject, what happen to people that claimed to have ten of thousands lucid dreams, did they learn something in the process or everything was for nothing
      If you had posted when I first joined Dreamviews, there would be more conversation. Maybe people have moved to Reddit and Discord now. I'm not sure. People are reading though, don't worry.

      But to respond to your comment, my hobbie is dreaming, not astral projection. I've never had that chance despite inviting positive astral entities into my dreams, or sending out the message that I would accept an invitation. No such chance. But it's OK, because my hobbie is dreaming. I have learned a lot from dreaming. The most important teaching was not the structure or metaphysics of dreams. For me dreaming, is maintaining a relationship with myself, with my unconscious mind. The greatest impact dreams have had on my life was inviting me to open up more to people in my life. I am so grateful for this. So, I don't agree that people not crossing 4th walls are getting nothing out of their hobby. Sometimes, I want to experience the art my mind can dream up. Modest goals are very rewarding regarding dreams.

      Quote Originally Posted by michael79 View Post
      I have other bodiless dreams and found them as highest form of lucidity, while bodiless, DC's cannot see me or interact with me, because they can exist only in a body form. I was never able to convert non-lucid DC into lucid one, because lucidity cannot sink in their thoughts, unconscious mind is preventing this from happening. In some of my bodiless dream the only way to interact with DC's or the environment is to possess a DC body, it is pretty easy just enter in their heads and you are them, but only when possess them you can understand they are hollow inside, no memories or feelings, when I possess entities from astral world, I have access to their memories and feelings, their desires.

      As I said already it's impossible to be seen while bodiless, because they *exist* on different frequency.
      I have a dream perspective of these experiences, so those dreams sound great. If you believe these are astral entities that exist on different frequency, I invite you to rethink your phrasing. "Possessing" other entities sound a bit disrespectful. I don't want to worry you or suggest you to limit your dream experiences but I'd just suggest changing the word "possessing" to perhaps... "communing" with these entities, like entering their "dream, astral bodies" gives you the intimate connection with them of "communion."

      If we're talking about dreams, there really are no physical bodies in dreams, just images and simulated sensations of bodies and ideas of people, so that's why they might be empty or not, depending on whether your mind fills those "narrative holes". You can use this knowledge to your advantage.

      I'll also point out to you bodiless "DCs" are common. I'm sure you've come across the dream narrator. Like, a voice speaking in your dream, but there is no body. That's a DC without a body.

      After our conversation, as I said I would, I made an intention to interpret my DCs not as people but as symbolic identities or archetypes or something conceptual. I've been meaning to meet Dream Pirate (a character introduced to me in my first lucid dream). I never met him but always wanted to. Now, instead of limiting my idea of him to be a pirate that looks a specific way, that I always prevented myself from imagining until I actually met him in a dream, I decided to accept he's just an idea. An idea of what? Of a dream guide. Dream pirate, for me, was a conceptual person that accompanies me in dreams and holds dream wisdom. He represents lucidity, dream control, and dream behaviour. I see him as the part of my unconscious that can both guide and train me in my dream experiences. Then, last night as I dreamed, I met a DC, and told them that I was dreaming, let's go on an adventure. He did not resist, he followed me even when I went very far and when I asked him what he wanted to do, he actually had a response. He said he wanted to go at war. I was surprised. But I said yes. And the dream put us in his scenario and we were at war. He had powers and used them before me. My own powers were inspired by his. Was he Dream Pirate? It barely matters. He did have the essence of a dream guide. He represented the dream, deciding the flow of things, down with the idea that I was dreaming, showing me things I could do. And though I have difficulty understanding why I'd want to go to war in my dream, it's actually surprisingly thematically relevant in ways it took me time to make out. yet, he wasn't another person; just a part of the dream.

      So this is a big success for me, thank you, it wouldn't have happened without you. It does show that DCs can "accept" the dream. If you don't expect them to refuse the premise.

      Quote Originally Posted by michael79 View Post
      What if I tell you that I'm neither my physical body, but that put us beyond dreaming.
      Haha, indeed, that would be beyond dreaming. But perhaps appropriate to an astral projection conversation.
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