Thread: OOBE's proved wrong

Originally Posted by transtate

my theory is, our spirit or lifeforce or whatever it is, is locked inside us, and when we die it is released, the door opens.

Doesn't that seem a bit... pagan? To you?

Why should we have a spirit or life force? It seems clear to me that 'theories' like this are born of ignorance of the mechanics of the human brain. There is no evidence for these claims, and they're grossly unscientific.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

Doesn't that seem a bit... pagan? To you?

Why should we have a spirit or life force? It seems clear to me that 'theories' like this are born of ignorance of the mechanics of the human brain. There is no evidence for these claims, and they're grossly unscientific.

What if he is a (semi)pagan? You never know.. But your prejudice seems to make things hard to understand


And philosophical theories also exist, don't forget that.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

What if he is a (semi)pagan? You never know.. But your prejudice seems to make things hard to understand


And philosophical theories also exist, don't forget that.

I was counting on him having a prejudice against pagan ideals for my point to hit home. Myself, I have a prejudice against all religious concepts, because I see no good come from faith and the rejection of rational thought processes involved in true science.

Also, philosophical theories are nothing without supporting evidence. Any theory which involves a non-physical component to human beings is still baseless. There is simply no reason to believe such a thing save human fear of mortality and human superiority complexes.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

Doesn't that seem a bit... pagan? To you?

Why should we have a spirit or life force? It seems clear to me that 'theories' like this are born of ignorance of the mechanics of the human brain. There is no evidence for these claims, and they're grossly unscientific.

im not saying im a believer i spirits or lifeforces, and im not pagan lol or anything. i go by what i feel, and by what i experience, ok maybe im a bit of a spiritual person , but if i am it comes from within me, not by following any kind of belief, i dont care if i die and thats it,nothing, im not scared of death,
my gut feeling is we get reborn, but thats a gut feeling,not a hope or wish,i really dont give a monkeys backside either way

while im here id like to share with you what happened to me at around 3 oclock this morning.i entered this lucid state once again,different from before,i was trying to control what i was going to dream,
without success, i was hoping for the white light to make an appearance which it did for a couple of seconds then bang, im zooming through a tunnel in space (dont laugh) at an incredible speed, before slowing down ,im looking at these galaxies full of color ect ( im not a space anorak by the way) then suddenly a light appears,gets bigger and im suddenly looking in on a room from the ceiling at a man having a go at his little girl,i wanted to say something but then backwards i go through space ect, end up in a kind of black void,aware of what just happened,but still in this lucid state,aware of my arm hanging out of the bed unable to move,thats when i started to call for the old hag that ive read about,to see what would happen,well i began to sense something bad in the room,im not scared of no old hag, cos i knew i was laying in bed,and it was a lucid dream, until i felt a weight geting on the bed like when someone climbs over you, thats when i called timeout, and awoke myself. cool