My basic take on LDing techniques

[LouaiB]

I would like to share the combination of techniques I found the most effective, and I have studied LDing induction for 4 months and all the info I used are based on experts' teachings(but, these are my own personal opinions) _Dream Journaling _RC and RRC _WBTB _MILD _WILD/DEILD You may think that these are a little bunch of techs, but I believe that all the 'glamorous' other techs are only short term techs and don't develop your essential LDing skills needed to become an expert. Note: SSILD is a good tech, but I use it only occasionally. Feel free to ask me any questions

[Intrepidity]

Haha, you have almost an identical list of techs as I do. It really feels like a good way to start out though, as the list is small enough to allow adequate focus on all the techniques, but at the same time provides enough diversity to find out what works for me and what doesn't. Also, have you managed success with all three induction methods? (MILD, WILD, and DEILD)

[DreamscapeGoat]

Swap out MILD with SSILD, remove the WBTB, and that's mine in a nutshell.

[LouaiB]

MILD, yes, 5 times WILD/DEILD, not yet, but once I get better at self-awareness, I will nail them. I am so close already! These techs are great even for pros. You see, the most important aspect(all of them are important and depend on each other(the fundamentals, of course), but self-awareness is the main part) is self-awareness, since it is essential for DILD, WILD, dream control and becoming an expert. You shouldn't add any more techs to these ones bcz all the other techs are only fancy restatements of these, which will only make you lost and overwhelmed.

[Intrepidity]

Swap out MILD with SSILD, remove the WBTB, and that's mine in a nutshell. How do you have lucid dreams without WBTB and MILD? I am rather curious now: Your the first person I've heard of that doesn't do one or the other.

[LouaiB]

Swap out MILD with SSILD, remove the WBTB, and that's mine in a nutshell. What? The most important 2? Wwll, at least your doing RRC oh, your a WILDer...but without WBTB?

[SinisterDezz]

ADA. #Yolo Ew.. I just said Yolo. But ADA, nuff' said. What? The most important 2? Wwll, at least your doing RRC oh, your a WILDer...but without WBTB? Really? I never use WILD, and hardly ever use MILD. DEILD and DILD for the win!

[DreamscapeGoat]

How you have lucid dreams without WBTB and MILD? Well, technically, I do WBTB - however, I only stay up for less than a minute. I raise my head, do a quick RC, and get into WILD/SSILD position. MILD is really just a fany way of increasing the chance for a DILD - and it hasn't really worked for me. I find that SSILD and WILD produce the best and most results.

[SinisterDezz]

Well, technically, I do WBTB - however, I only stay up for less than a minute. I raise my head, look at the time, do a quick RC, and get into WILD/SSILD position. MILD is really just a fancy way of increasing the chance for a DILD - and it hasn't really worked for me. I find that SSILD and WILD produce the best and most results. This. (P.S: Gratz on 300 posts. I have been here 1/2 a year before you and you outpost me lol)

[LouaiB]

DEILD is the best! I don't aprove of ADA cuz the point of awareness to focus on is self-awareness. Most experts use ADA on self-awareness. So RRC but like All-Day! When someone just "knows he's dreaming" like all pros do, they have trained their self-awareness Well, technically, I do WBTB - however, I only stay up for less than a minute. I raise my head, do a quick RC, and get into WILD/SSILD position. MILD is really just a fany way of increasing the chance for a DILD - and it hasn't really worked for me. I find that SSILD and WILD produce the best and most results. MILD is only a name for intention, and intention always works. It is a have-to part of dreaming, but some people have better subs that 'listen' more. MILD is autosuggestions but while focusing on prospective memory, which is the key to intention

[SinisterDezz]

Are you calling me a pro? Thank you! *Obnoxious Condescending Smile*

[LouaiB]

Are you calling me a pro? Thank you! *Obnoxious Condescending Smile* You are a pro, but I bet you train your self-awareness. It is very easy to train and monkey simple. Just consider your existence and effect on the world. The thing is that pros kinda get that reflection bcz they LD a lot and concider the concept a lot, better than begginers of course begginers can train self-awareness, even if they have no LDing experience. It is a waking life exercise BRB, gotta take a dump I'm back! Fire more questions

[Intrepidity]

Well, technically, I do WBTB - however, I only stay up for less than a minute. I raise my head, do a quick RC, and get into WILD/SSILD position. MILD is really just a fany way of increasing the chance for a DILD - and it hasn't really worked for me. I find that SSILD and WILD produce the best and most results. Oh, that makes sense now. Once you wake up how long does it take before you enter the dream? Assuming there is some consistency.

[LouaiB]

If the timing is right, it would be a matter of seconds Assuming you are doing DEILD, of course

[DreamscapeGoat]

Once you wake up how long does it take before you enter the dream? It feels like 10-20 minutes, which means maybe closer to 30-40.

[LouaiB]

It feels like 10-20 minutes, which means maybe closer to 30-40. For the WILD, but do DEILD. See why mental prep might be useful!? you need it to do DEILDs, and they are the best! Everyone watch, I am about to reach 1000 Hall Points!!

[SinisterDezz]

I am almost positive that no matter what kind of RC you are doing, you are training your self-awareness. That's the entire point of LDing. We all do it. So, really, ADA is no different from the rest, only for the fact that it works better for me. Wait, did you call my subconscious a monkey? That's not very nice... =(

[LouaiB]

I am almost positive that no matter what kind of RC you are doing, you are training your self-awareness. That's the entire point of LDing. We all do it. So, really, ADA is no different from the rest, only for the fact that it works better for me. There is a difference. concentrating on our environment, and not your self, is not self-awareness. Actually, KingYoshi never intended ADA to be like this. It is used to get that dream 'feeling' so you would know you are dreaming, but even then you need your self-awareness and memory for it to work

[Intrepidity]

If the timing is right, it would be a matter of seconds I was kind of hoping it would be small. I'm gonna try a shorter WBTB time tonight. Anyway more questions: 1. When was your first lucid dream and, 2. How frequently do you have them?

[SinisterDezz]

My life is a lie.

[LouaiB]

your sub is a monkey I was kind of hoping it would be small. I'm gonna try a shorter WBTB time tonight. Anyway more questions: 1. When was your first lucid dream and, 2. How frequently do you have them? By seconds I meant the time to transition to the dream using DEILD. 1. almost 2.5 months 2. sometimes weekly, sometimes every 2 weeks But, the most important aspect is learning all the aspects of LDing to fully comprehend what you're doing, so you can focus your efforts at the right spots and being confident that you are in the right track

[Maxis]

It feels like 10-20 minutes, which means maybe closer to 30-40. Really? I'm a little surprised, just given that my WILDs tend to be shorter; so as long as I'm sleepy enough I get into that hallucinating tingly state nearly instantly (~10 seconds) of getting in position, and then it takes me maybe what feels like(?) 5 minutes to pass through nREM and then the dream starts to form--although this is given the fact that my WILDs are always very late in the night (after roughly 6-7 hours of sleep) so my nREM period is very short by then anyway. Different for everyone, I suppose? Then, on the opposite side of the coin, if I'm not sleepy enough, I'll usually lie there for about 30 minutes and then drift off into normal sleep, oops. Anyway, the only combination I use is mostly DILD+WILD+DEILD, with the occasional sprinkle (quite uncommon) of MILD and WBTB. DILDs I've always had often, simply from overtime I've learned to recognize what a dream feels like and so-and-so, so I get those commonly and usually at random. The past couple of months via autosuggestion I've been training myself to wake up naturally in the night to do WILDs/DEILDs (can't use alarms, I have family sleeping in the room right next to mine). Since I wake up naturally when that happens, I try for DEILD first. If I wasn't lucid in the dream before, or I was simply already too awake when I became conscious, I do WILD instead. If that fails, as a last resort I usually make a lazy WBTB attempt (jot down my previous dreams, do a little MILD, go back to sleep). MILDs I usually do, like I said during WBTBs, and whenever I'm just feeling really exceptionally confident one night. Usually MILD doesn't work for me, but when I'm feeling confident I'll have a lucid dream and motivated to have one as well, those are usually the nights I do the typical mantras as I'm falling asleep and they tend to work as well.

[LouaiB]

DILDs I've always had often, simply from overtime I've learned to recognize what a dream feels like Aha! That is bcz of hightened self-awareness.

[DreamscapeGoat]

Really? I'm a little surprised, just given that my WILDs tend to be shorter; so as long as I'm sleepy enough I get into that hallucinating tingly state nearly instantly (~10 seconds) of getting in position, and then it takes me maybe what feels like(?) 5 minutes to pass through nREM and then the dream starts to form--although this is given the fact that my WILDs are always very late in the night (after roughly 6-7 hours of sleep) so my nREM period is very short by then anyway. Different for everyone, I suppose? Again, I say that it feels like 10-20 minutes - my perception of time is fairly skewed when I'm tired, so the feeling of time passing isn't correct.

[LouaiB]

Again, I say that it feels like 10-20 minutes - my perception of time is fairly skewed when I'm tired, so the feeling of time passing isn't correct. Me too! 1.5 hours pass like 30 min. Maybe I fall asleep, but no, I never lost my consciousness. Could I be blacking out? I am a heavy breather(which is weird cuz I'm underweight), so maybe I lack oxygen during the attempts to breath through my nose. It has happened to me before, much worse too(5 hours felt like 1 min full consciousness, but again, I blacked out)