Thread: My basic take on LDing techniques

Originally Posted by Intrepidity

I am kind of locked in a dual with self-awareness at the moment. The more aware I become in my dreams the more they mirror reality making it harder to find impossible or unlikely features. Its almost like my mind is mocking me.

Self-awareness is when you are aware of your current state. When you become good at it(it will take a lot of time though) you will just know you are dreaming when you're dreaming, like the pros. But for now, it will increase your chances for DILD because it makes it easier to remember ,when you see something weird, that it is dreamlike. So, practice self-awareness during the day to become mere self-aware in dreams. Don't forget that it is important for WILD too!
http://www.dreamviews.com/wild/12557...mentals-q.html

Originally Posted by DreamscapeGoat

Again, I say that it feels like 10-20 minutes - my perception of time is fairly skewed when I'm tired, so the feeling of time passing isn't correct.

Ooh, that's true, I tend to get the same way. It would be cool if there was a way to time it somehow, makes you wonder how long it actually takes.

Originally Posted by Intrepidity

Has this happened your whole life and you are just a natural, or did it happen after you started practicing lucid dreaming?

My whole life mostly, but it wasn't for no reason. I think some of my earliest LDs were when I was 4 or so (I didn't hear the term of LDing until I was around 11), and they were from recurring nightmares--after a while, I realized what was going on and think "hey, this is familiar," get lucid, wake myself up (it was a couple of years before I realized I could control the dream). It happened quite often to the point where I learned what a dream "felt" like and how it was different from reality, which is where my DILDs mostly come from today.

So yeah, I suppose I'm a natural, although I will admit that ever since I started fully practicing lucid dreaming (tried it when I was 11, put it aside for a few years, started it up again just last year), my dreams and LDs have been a lot more vivid, longer, and worthwhile. The effort definitely counts.

Originally Posted by Maxis

My whole life mostly, but it wasn't for no reason. I think some of my earliest LDs were when I was 4 or so (I didn't hear the term of LDing until I was around 11), and they were from recurring nightmares--after a while, I realized what was going on and think "hey, this is familiar," get lucid, wake myself up (it was a couple of years before I realized I could control the dream). It happened quite often to the point where I learned what a dream "felt" like and how it was different from reality, which is where my DILDs mostly come from today.

So yeah, I suppose I'm a natural, although I will admit that ever since I started fully practicing lucid dreaming (tried it when I was 11, put it aside for a few years, started it up again just last year), my dreams and LDs have been a lot more vivid, longer, and worthwhile. The effort definitely counts.

So, a NovaDreamer is gonna help me get used to the dream "feel" more quickly because of the more LDs? Of course I will continue to practice self-awareness

Originally Posted by LouaiB

So, a NovaDreamer is gonna help me get used to the dream "feel" more quickly because of the more LDs? Of course I will continue to practice self-awareness

Most likely, yes. Once you learn to recognize exactly what that dreamy feeling feels like, it'll become one of your dream signs all on its own. It's possible (though I'm not sure) that even after you wake up from non-lucid dreams--perhaps when you DJ--you can stop and think how you felt during that dream, and how it was different from reality, it might even be worth writing down. It's hard to explain exactly what it's like and what you're looking for, but there's just that dreamy sensation and occasionally lingering sense of control (at least for me) that's never really apparent in waking life.

Originally Posted by Maxis

Most likely, yes. Once you learn to recognize exactly what that dreamy feeling feels like, it'll become one of your dream signs all on its own. It's possible (though I'm not sure) that even after you wake up from non-lucid dreams--perhaps when you DJ--you can stop and think how you felt during that dream, and how it was different from reality, it might even be worth writing down. It's hard to explain exactly what it's like and what you're looking for, but there's just that dreamy sensation and occasionally lingering sense of control (at least for me) that's never really apparent in waking life.

Yes, that is hightenned self-awareness. I really love SA

Also, I like to do 2-3 WBTBs a night for WILDs and MILDs. mainly MILDs when I feel like it. MILD at first WBTB, then WILD with a dash of mantras in second WBTB. As I like

Originally Posted by Maxis

So yeah, I suppose I'm a natural, although I will admit that ever since I started fully practicing lucid dreaming (tried it when I was 11, put it aside for a few years, started it up again just last year), my dreams and LDs have been a lot more vivid, longer, and worthwhile. The effort definitely counts.

I guess lucid reaming is just like any skill and natural ability can only take you so far without effort.

Originally Posted by LuoaiB

Also, I like to do 2-3 WBTBs a night for WILDs and MILDs. mainly MILDs when I feel like it. MILD at first WBTB, then WILD with a dash of mantras in second WBTB. As I like

I'm assuming you perform these WBTB's after certain amounts of sleep. 3, 4.5, 6... ect.
Do you have a specific time which you find more successful than others?

Yes, first I wake up after 4.5h, stay up for 20 min if MILD, or 45 if WILD. Then I set the alarm after 90 minutes and fall asleep. then wake and do WBTB again, then again 90 minutes sleep. Same thing till the end of the sleep. If at weekends, where I sleep 12 h, I do the first WBTB after 7h, and the rest stay 90 min.

Hey, do you think Redfoo is a LDer! I mean, look at him! at his videos, the look kinda like LDing if you think about it.

Interesting, I used to set my alarms the same way as you, but it never really worked for me. If my awakenings are less than 40 min I just leave them at 1.5 hour increments of falling asleep the first time.
i.e sleep at 21:00 wake at 00:00
sleep at 00:30 wake at 1:30
sleep at 2:00 wake at 3:00

Someone who knows more about sleep cycles than me might know why, but I found I would oversleep my REM cycle otherwise and wake up really tired with no recall.

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Thank-you, that article was quite helpful.

I now added a tech that BrandomBoss Suggested:
Drink water before bed to wake up naturally during sleep. I will work to find an exact amount that is closest to getting me to wake up from REM, so I would perform DEIDL.
Thnx BB

Edit: A note about WILD:
Other than self awareness, prospective memory is also needed because you need to remember to stay aware while you are loosing your awareness during the dive.

Did that DILD chart a decent way:
DILD chart.jpg

I am trying out new things every other day since i am very new to this.

Atm i am trying out a WILD-WBTB-MILD-FILD() combo thing.

Originally Posted by NinjaBtch

I am trying out new things every other day since i am very new to this.

Atm i am trying out a WILD-WBTB-MILD-FILD() combo thing.

Very nice!
I do the MILD-WBTB-WILD combo with a little SSILD if I do an extra WBTB and don't feel like WILDing.
FILD means finger induced lucid dream?

Originally Posted by LouaiB

Did that DILD chart a decent way:
DILD chart.jpg

Excellent chart! It really clarifies things.

Most of my lucid dreams have been MILDs, but I had a few LDs which were just ‘natural’ (I somehow just knew I was dreaming). I think it had something to do with my awareness level being high at the time, combined with high expectation. So from this, I think that regardless of any technique you choose, if the fundamentals are in place, lucid dreaming will be a lot easier in general.

Originally Posted by Eamo24

Excellent chart! It really clarifies things.

Most of my lucid dreams have been MILDs, but I had a few LDs which were just ‘natural’ (I somehow just knew I was dreaming). I think it had something to do with my awareness level being high at the time, combined with high expectation. So from this, I think that regardless of any technique you choose, if the fundamentals are in place, lucid dreaming will be a lot easier in general.

Great thing is that MILD is intention itself! Using MILD with expectation will really help with activating the memory, thus self-awareness!
That is why I love MILD, cuz it complements the fundamentals!

I have only had one so far but what i did was a combo:

-- HARDCORE mild, i repeated the mantra over 5000 times in one day(i repeated "I am dreaming")
-- WBTB

So yeah, basically a WBTB & MILD combo with a twist.

Originally Posted by NinjaBtch

I have only had one so far but what i did was a combo:

-- HARDCORE mild, i repeated the mantra over 5000 times in one day(i repeated "I am dreaming")
-- WBTB

So yeah, basically a WBTB & MILD combo with a twist.

That's great, I did that at one point. I think it may enhance the power of the "I'm dreaming"'s to combine it with visualizing a dream scene you had recently.

That combo is great, but keep in mind that these practices should be mindful. Mantras are more like intention, not expectation, so it is good to enhance it. Expectation(like RC) should be meaningful and intention(like "next time I'm dreaming, I want to RC") should back it up. You see how it is?

So, a lot of intention is good, but beware of making the expectation half-minded, cuz some people like RCing while saying mantras, but that much RCs makes it lose it's job.

Here's a chart to explain expectation:
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The concept here is that, when you do a lot of RCs, they lose their meaning because you tend to start doing them half-minded. But if you do a few RCs, the will stay meaningful. The bigger the circle means the more meaningful the experience is. The subconscious loves meaningful things, so when it looks at what you did today, it will chose the meaningful things to incorporate them to the dream. It doesn't matter if you only did 1 RC, because if it is meaningful, the subconscious will remember it then incorporate it to the dream.