Thread: Stopping real time in a lucid dream

Originally Posted by web-us.com

Stopping real time in your Lucid Dreams means making the Lucid Dream last far more than the time passed by in the physical world. Like having a dream that last a few minutes in real time, while you might experience it as a few days in the dream. By doing this can you enjoy the dream scape a lot more, since you can spend days in the dream while it really just last a few minutes. Robert Monroe even reported experiencing 100 years in a 2 hours OOBE. But to experience this might be difficult, little research have been done on this area. And those that experience it don't consciously try to have them. Still, there are a few techniques you might try. First of all, set your intention to stop real time. Have that intention in mind while having your Lucid Dream. Picture yourself being in the dream for days, maybe even weeks before you wake up. You might try to saying out loud: "Stop time now!" You can try looking at your clock in the dream, and imagine that the clock slow down and stop. You might try to expect the dream to last for days. You might try visualize two pyramids, connected at their bases counterrotating. And maybe visualize multiple pyramids rotating inside each other all rotating. This is something worth going for, as it may give you incredible long Lucid Dreams.

Sound interesting, or what?

Anybody have any experience with this?

I've tried.. and I have had no sucess. But, 100 years in a dream? Who wants that..? Maybe a week would be nice.

07.10.2009
In Which I Meet Kronos, the god of time (Non-lucid)

NON-DREAM DREAM LUCID

I thought it would be "fun" to meet Kronos, and ask him how to stop time.

I was on the Moon, in the Biodome. My astral pet, Jo, the Mollosian, ran up to me, and leaned on me heavily the way big dogs do. I looked around. Why did I feel I needed to go to the Moon before I met the god of Time? where was I supposed to go?

As if in answer to my thoughts, a man appeared, hovering before me. He was a bald pale man, wearing a long black and blue robe. He looked like Mr. Gone from The Maxx.

"You called?" he asked grimly, then raised his hands two his sides, his palms facing me. BV-V-V-V-V-V!

We were in outer space. I felt my body turn inside out, and he was spinning me in two great circles, no a lemniscate. It was absolutely terrifying. My dream body wanted to feel pain, but I kept reminding myself that it was a dream. If I had a mouth, it would have been opened in a silent scream of near madness.
I saw circles of Kronos' own dream body go in and out of him, like Venom when he gets hit with a sonic blast, except it was deliberate and precise.

"Why have you called me?" he demanded in a voice like the roaring of a thousand lions.

"Because, I want to learn how to stop time." I felt like a spoiled brat asking for more candy.

"You think you can stop ME?" he roared again, and spun me faster. Then, he stretched the lemniscate he made my dream body into even greater. I felt like my soul was being ripped apart then smashed back together. I began screaming in pure terror.

"You fool! You cannot stop TIME! TIME IS INFINITE!" he roared in fury like an army of demons hell-bent on revenge. "All you can change is your perception of Time, idiot!"

Then, he slowed the lemniscate-me, and I started to faintly glow with a white light. "You pathetic little fool. Don't you understand that you are part of everything and nothing at the same time? Don't you see all is moving never stopping at the same time? Everything is expanding and contracting at the same time. You can stop nothing! What makes you think you can stop Time?"

"Can I at least slow time?" I asked weakly. My persistence apparently amused him. He threw back his head and laughed the laugh of a thousand gods that is still ringing in my ears.

I was back on the Moon, in the Biodome, alone.

I felt naseous. I walked stumbled around like a drunken sailor, and my dream body shifted and morphed uncontrollably. My arms grew to giant size, like two blades of flesh. I planted my blade-arms in the ground for stability. I felt like Clayface. This is a cool effect, at least. What am I thinking? I could always do this.

I picked up a moon rock and held it close to my navel to ground myself. I stood up straight and closed my eyes. I grew roots down into the earth, and turned into a tree.

I am just going to be a tree and stand here for awhile. That was pure madness. I wonder how long I can stay here, and dream of myself as a tree? I wonder if Raven will recognize me as a tree here like this.

The dream faded.

Commentary: This was absolutely the most terrifying dream of my life. It wasn't fun. In waking life, still, I am reeling. I am consistently humbled.

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

We were in outer space. I felt my body turn inside out, and he was spinning me in two great circles, no a lemniscate. I

If I do ever accomplish a shared dream, nobody better pull a stunt like that.
You becoming a tree... that reminds me of a book I read where there is a disease passed in the air by trees that turns human beings into trees. He he.

I agree with the above posts on the whole "100 years" thing. That is uncomfortably long. I'd feel as if I would lose touch with family, friends, and everything I've come to know. Then to wake up after that and continue with life where you left it? It'd be weird. Would you actually feel as if you were asleep for 100 years?

I'd try for a day. Even so it sounds dangerous. Is it safe for your mind?

Um...I'm pretty sure this has been tested before, and shown that dream time is roughly equivalent to real time. While you can alter dream time, you will experience it as if in real time. It is very unusual to have a dream exceeding more than an hour at most, I think. There are all sorts of ways to go about lengthening a lucid dream, but not anywhere close to the 100-year mark mentioned.

I have this happen frequently, but on a MUCH smaller scale. 100 years in a dream! Wow! If he remembered all of that then meeting up with family and friends IRL would be like seeing people he had been away from for a lifetime... and they would wonder what his problem was because they saw him yesterday! When it happens to me it means that I might experience a couple of hours of dream time in just a half hour IRL. If I was in a dream for 100 years I would probably completely forget about the waking world and freak out when I woke and found out I was dreaming my whole life!

Originally Posted by Noogah

Sound interesting, or what?

Anybody have any experience with this?

Stopping time and lengthening LD's are two entirely different things. However, slowing time down, or your perception of it, may lengthen LD's. If you want to lengthen the time of your dreams, I suggest staying in one place.

You could just use placebo, and an article of focus.

Just get a clock that's ticking at normal pace, and slow it down.

With the proper ammount of trust, that could work.

In theory, wouldn't this be kind of hard on your brain?

Originally Posted by Noogah

You could just use placebo, and an article of focus.

Just get a clock that's ticking at normal pace, and slow it down.

With the proper ammount of trust, that could work.

In theory, wouldn't this be kind of hard on your brain?

Hard? Try impossible. A person cannot hold time perfectly still, and the brain cannot move at such a tremendous rate as to make a minute appear to be a year. Not going to happen.
Lucids can be lengthened via reality checking and other stabilizing methods, along with experience, but cannot manipulate time in the real world.

Yeah, I think the fastest it goes is 4 or 5 times the normal speed, and that is in perception. A year in a day, I don't think so, I got up to 14 hours but that isn't stopping time, its just changing your perception of it.

This is near impossible to dream at a faster speed in lucids unless you have EXTREME dream control abilities. It's also uncommon in non lucid dreams. What happens is your brain either creates false memories, or it skips things.

False memories are when your mind creates memories and causes you to believe they were real. For instance, the most common occurrence of this in my dreams is when I see a movie. I'll go into a dream movie theater and look at the posters on the wall. I'll see a poster for Extreme Super Uber Mega Crab Battle, and instantly my brain will make up an entire movie. Most would think they actually watched the movie.

The other possibility, skipping, is used in movies and theater. A man and a woman, both completely drunk, stumble into a bedroom. They hurriedly fumble with their clothes, collapse on the bed, and kiss. Cut to the next morning.
You didn't actually see them have sex, nor did they actually have it. But if you were to recap the movie, you'd say they did. This happens in dreams multiple times. People who say their dreams last a lifetime, they've probably just had 1 minute cuts of different stages of life.

The two working together are effective at creating a convincing illusion of an extended dream, but are nothing more than that.

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

Stopping time and lengthening LD's are two entirely different things. However, slowing time down, or your perception of it, may lengthen LD's. If you want to lengthen the time of your dreams, I suggest staying in one place.

I second that, its also not bad i had a fun time sitting and talking with one of my favorite anime characters under a tree once, was really nice.

I have stopped time once in a WILD. The results were pretty incredible. The dream didn't last longer than a normal WILD, but...

How to describe the atmosphere--I was able to touch the air and space around me itself. When I did, it would stretch and bed as if it were a thin plastic, or maybe acrylic paint. It was amazing and so vivid, so bright.

Ok lets inject some actual science into this discussion instead of just hearsay. The brain is not run on will power or focus of intent, it’s run on chemicals that produce an energetic reaction. These chemicals can only react with each other so fast, no matter how hard we try, they have a limit. The neural impulse is measured in Hz and thus far has been recorded at many different levels. The highest, and somewhat sketchy number found to date is around 1,000Hz or about 1000 impulses per second. Now remember that that’s the extreme. Here’s the sucker for this debate. The brain on average functions at around 300-400 Hz or 300-400 impulses per second. Neurons are chemical machines, the chemicals inside them react dependent on the message they need to get somewhere else. So while it’s feasible that with plenty of bio feedback or maybe just practice in a dream you could get up to 1000 Hz or more for a prolonged period of time it’s unlikely. so you could double your thoughts, make 1 second = 2 seconds (maybe). But again the brain is a chemical machine and those chemicals can only react so fast with each other, not to mention that we’re not talking about getting one neuron to react faster but trillions, dependent on your brain structure quadrillions of them to react faster all at the same time. So while slowing things down to speed up your perception of things is probably definitely possible I highly doubt that it’s more then an illusion being produced by the flow of events. Time is probably still moving relatively close to real time for you.

There is an wave frequency limit on the brain, but that does not prove a limit on time perception. Until we know what creates time speed perception, we can't really answer the question scientifically.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

There is an wave frequency limit on the brain, but that does not prove a limit on time perception. Until we know what creates time speed perception, we can't really answer the question scientifically.

We know what creates time perception. There is a cluster of nerves in the brain that all fire at about a second at a time in a very similar timing to the second. It's not the most exact clock, but it keeps us on track.

I know, let's just sleep in a cryo chamber! If we turn it to absolute zero, then time will have stopped for us, and then we'd be free to dream - crap.

Originally Posted by nyrawake

We know what creates time perception. There is a cluster of nerves in the brain that all fire at about a second at a time in a very similar timing to the second. It's not the most exact clock, but it keeps us on track.

Really? Hmmm... What happens if those nerves start firing ten times per second? Will one real second seem like ten dream seconds? What is the limit on that?

Just smoke some cannabis and EVERYTHING gets slower ha ha.

That would be interesting to try in a dream... hmm

Originally Posted by Phantasos

Actually, from practical purpose what we strife for - is to experience a number of events which would take, say, hour in WL, during twenty minutes LD. From nyrawake's posts I did not quite figured is there limitation for this.

Dream time is roughly equivalent to real time. It is more or less a fixed value, and when you take 1/3 the time in a lucid to do something that would take an hour to do in reality, you're going to miss stuff. There will be scene skips or shortcuts taken, and you won't feel like you're conscious for a full hour.

Originally Posted by Beyond Reality

Just smoke some cannabis and EVERYTHING gets slower ha ha.

That would be interesting to try in a dream... hmm

Yeah, people do dream drugs all the time. I don't promote them or do them in reality, but shrooms are still on my lucid task list.

Originally Posted by nyrawake

Ok lets inject some actual science into this discussion instead of just hearsay. The brain is not run on will power or focus of intent, it’s run on chemicals that produce an energetic reaction. These chemicals can only react with each other so fast, no matter how hard we try, they have a limit. The neural impulse is measured in Hz and thus far has been recorded at many different levels. The highest, and somewhat sketchy number found to date is around 1,000Hz or about 1000 impulses per second. Now remember that that’s the extreme. Here’s the sucker for this debate. The brain on average functions at around 300-400 Hz or 300-400 impulses per second. Neurons are chemical machines, the chemicals inside them react dependent on the message they need to get somewhere else. So while it’s feasible that with plenty of bio feedback or maybe just practice in a dream you could get up to 1000 Hz or more for a prolonged period of time it’s unlikely. so you could double your thoughts, make 1 second = 2 seconds (maybe). But again the brain is a chemical machine and those chemicals can only react so fast with each other, not to mention that we’re not talking about getting one neuron to react faster but trillions, dependent on your brain structure quadrillions of them to react faster all at the same time. So while slowing things down to speed up your perception of things is probably definitely possible I highly doubt that it’s more then an illusion being produced by the flow of events. Time is probably still moving relatively close to real time for you.

I'm fairly certain that about 40 hz is the frequency most commonly associated with intense mental activity, and about 30-12 is standard, alert thinking. The brain seems to struggle to attain much over 100 hz, it seems. 1,000 hz would be nuts...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_waves
You are right in that our thoughts cannot exceed a certain physical limitation. Even if we were to increase our thinking capacities 10 fold (~100% of your brain), which is impossible, I still couldn't imagine your brain perceiving time to pass at a rate of many years per minute. It isn't going to happen. Sorry.

You cannot stop real time. I guess you could do certain things to lengthen your LDs, but you cannot stop someone from waking you up.

Originally Posted by Mario92

I'm fairly certain that about 40 hz is the frequency most commonly associated with intense mental activity, and about 30-12 is standard, alert thinking. The brain seems to struggle to attain much over 100 hz, it seems. 1,000 hz would be nuts...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_waves
You are right in that our thoughts cannot exceed a certain physical limitation. Even if we were to increase our thinking capacities 10 fold (~100% of your brain), which is impossible, I still couldn't imagine your brain perceiving time to pass at a rate of many years per minute. It isn't going to happen. Sorry.

neural firing rates and brain wave activity read on an eeg are similar in some ways and very different in others. The neuron fires at about 1/1000th of a second. Could you imagine if the neuron only fired at 30-12 times per second. It'd take a hell of a long time for any message to get through. Because the neuron charges and then discharges or completes a cycle I used the Hz notation. I think that's where you got confused with what I was talking about. So to be clear, i wasn't talking about brain waves.

and your very right. Now computers, they have the power to do what's being suggested in this thread, just not yet. Computers think A SHIT LOAD faster then we do, we only have the advantage because we have a lot more processing power then they do. If they had near as many cpus as we have neurons we would be their pets.
not sure what you ment by increaseing our brain power ten fold, if I think you meant what I think you did let me correct a common myth. We use 10% of our brain at any given time, we use it 100% of our brain, just only specialized places at a given time. We don't walk with our teeth after all. If that's not what you meant they ok, least i taught someone something somewhere out there.

OH and i should also mention that another limit to this idea is that the message that is sent by the neuron doesn't travel very fast. They travel to and from the brain at about .1-100 m/s or so. 100 m/s sounds fast, but it's not, it's REALLY not.

Ah, now that makes more sense.

Originally Posted by nyrawake

Ok lets inject some actual science into this discussion instead of just hearsay. The brain is not run on will power or focus of intent, it’s run on chemicals that produce an energetic reaction. These chemicals can only react with each other so fast, no matter how hard we try, they have a limit. The neural impulse is measured in Hz and thus far has been recorded at many different levels. The highest, and somewhat sketchy number found to date is around 1,000Hz or about 1000 impulses per second. Now remember that that’s the extreme. Here’s the sucker for this debate. The brain on average functions at around 300-400 Hz or 300-400 impulses per second. Neurons are chemical machines, the chemicals inside them react dependent on the message they need to get somewhere else. So while it’s feasible that with plenty of bio feedback or maybe just practice in a dream you could get up to 1000 Hz or more for a prolonged period of time it’s unlikely. so you could double your thoughts, make 1 second = 2 seconds (maybe). But again the brain is a chemical machine and those chemicals can only react so fast with each other, not to mention that we’re not talking about getting one neuron to react faster but trillions, dependent on your brain structure quadrillions of them to react faster all at the same time. So while slowing things down to speed up your perception of things is probably definitely possible I highly doubt that it’s more then an illusion being produced by the flow of events. Time is probably still moving relatively close to real time for you.

I like this. It helps me make my point. While slowing actual time may not be possible, changing how fast your brain perceives the information is receives is definitely possible. That is to say, changing your view of time and how fast or slow they seem to you is possible. Even in the waking world, it's possible. Anyone who have ever been in a serious accident or combat situation can attest to the truth of this statement. The adrenaline boost in this situation can make everything seem to slow down for you, and something that may have actually lasted 4-5 seconds could seem like 15-20 to you. While not as extreme as the 100 aforementioned years, it does prove that you can get more bang for your buck, so to speak.

My concern however, is that your body is only so accustomed to a certain level of hormones running through your system. If you follow the theory that speeding up your perception of time in a dream is speeding up how fast your brain perceives your dream, then would this mean that you're inducing your body's endocrine system to provide more adrenaline to your brain? And, if so, wouldn't excessive use of this ability damage your body or brain, or their ability to heal during the night?