Thread: WILD - Wake Initiated Lucid Dream

^^ I suggest then that you try to curb your fear of seeing bad hallucinations, as they will only be bad if you fear they might be so... it's never good to build negative expectations into any endeavor, but especially so when you are working with dreams, which are built upon expectation. If it's any help, here is the link once more to the "noise" session of my Wild class; check it out if you'd like. Not worrying about the noise is easier than you think, once you are accustomed to the concept.

I'll just say once more that SP is unnescessary for WILD, whether you can induce it or not, and, since a sensation of REM atonia (the condition usually considered SP on these forums) does not always happen during a WILD dive, making it a goal is not always helpful. But that's all I'll say, as I really don't want to argue about it.

oh yes i know expectations are everything...i looked at the link and the state of semi-consciousness i described sounds like 'hypnagogic imagery', it doesn't sound all that bad. if i remain calm and reasonable and remind myself it's all in my head i can get through it although it will take some work.

So I have a question.I don't have to set an alarm clock to wake up at night,I naturally wake up about after 5-6 hours,and only once.And this seems to be time I remember most of my dreams.So should it be my REM period?

Originally Posted by lucid555

So I have a question.I don't have to set an alarm clock to wake up at night,I naturally wake up about after 5-6 hours,and only once.And this seems to be time I remember most of my dreams.So should it be my REM period?

If you're waking naturally, then it should be the end of your REM cycle. Of course, since it's a bit later in the night, you'll get to your next REM quickly as cycles get closer and closer as the night goes on.

Yes. That is going to work perfect. Naturally waking after at least five hours is the kind of timing you should develop. Your body will be a better guide than a preset amount of time on a clock. You should experiment on how much to wake up for and how much to wake up. I often wake naturally at about six hours. Ho use the rest room and after washing my hands I may touch my forehead or temples with wet hands (to wake just a bit). Then I go back to bed.

AstralMango , sivason

thank you! I'll do so,thanks

As a complete newb, this read like I would have to know how to do it before I read this. References like "keep doing reality checks", not sure what that means.

I'm sure to someone that's done it before, this sounds like a great guide.

As a newb I'd prefer a "do A, B, C expect to see these results". I found a good tutorial on stop, drop and roll and last night I tried that. I simply did exactly what was asked.

I seem to have a lot of anxiety when trying to get back to sleep in order to dream. It's like my mind keeps trying to keep me awake so I don't fall into a deep non-dream sleep in order to dream.

The temptation to move is really strong as the other tutorial said it would be. I get itchy face, then restless legs.

I'll try again tonight. More of this makes sense the more I try. Otherwise, have no clue what yer referring to.

" Think about it during the day, and set your intention to succeed."

I think making a big deal about this is like making a big deal about getting laid....you end up not performing well.

I can't get over the anxiety of trying too hard. It hits 4am and I end up staring at the ceiling with insomnia. Or trying to sit still for 1 hour, waiting to sleep. Or "transition". Not very pleasant.

So do I take drugs or drink milk? I can go watch TV for 1 hour but by then I think my REM are whacked and when I go back to sleep I'm not going to get much LD.

Originally Posted by BatteryCharged

As a complete newb, ... References like "keep doing reality checks", not sure what that means.

Here is a Reality checks - RCs tutorial http://www.dreamviews.com/induction-...hecks-rcs.html
and here is a bit about them too (RC+mantra+awareness) http://www.dreamviews.com/dild/13212...ods-dilds.html

I also recommend this WILD by sageous WILD

Originally Posted by BatteryCharged

As a newb I'd prefer a "do A, B, C expect to see these results". I found a good tutorial on stop, drop and roll and last night I tried that. I simply did exactly what was asked.

The temptation to move is really strong as the other tutorial said it would be. I get itchy face, then restless legs.

Many of us here don't like that tutorial, because it's fundamentaly flawed.

You don't necessarily get the urge to move. Or an itch, or restless legs. But if a tutorial tells you that you will, then you are more likely to get that, because you expecting it.

Just think of any other time when you falling asleep normally. Do you get any of those? Maybe, but we don't remember them, because they don't matter. We still fall asleep every night.

So when WILDing, treat any issue same way as when you falling asleep normally. Do whatever you need to do, without paying attention to it or worrying about it. I would forget everything I read in that stop drop and roll tutorial and read the above linked WILD by sageous. It's a long one, but it's well worth your time.

Also it's normal to not understand everything a tutorial is talking about when you read it first time. So first you read, then you try to do it, and with your experience, you will start to understand the tutorial better. Then you re-read it again and it will make much more sense. So first time you will be operating on faith. You will just believe those things that don't make sense yet.

The problem with LDing tutorial that tells you what to do exactly, as you mention "do A,B,C..." is, that every experience is different. Even for the same person. So there is no "A, B, C..." steps. Sure, there is some practice to be done, and some things are done in order.

But if any tutorial tells you what will happen to you exactly, then I don't trust that tutorial. Because there is so many different ways how you can transition and how intense and what you will experience. There is no "A, B, C". Everybody needs to read a good tutorial and understand the fundamentals. Then keep WILDing and everytime you get deeper and further into the attempt, you will learn something new and go "oh, this is what they meant by this".

Originally Posted by BatteryCharged

I seem to have a lot of anxiety when trying to get back to sleep in order to dream. It's like my mind keeps trying to keep me awake so I don't fall into a deep non-dream sleep in order to dream.

Anxiety is not good. If you WILD after some hours of prior sleep, then your next REM is near and you are likely to fall asleep and dream. And that is the goal. Only with WILDing, you try to keep your mind aware till the point of dream forming, or some kind of a transition.

And here I'm going to recommend to start out with DILD method. Not because it's easier than WILD. But because it will prepare you by explaining the RCs, awareness, mantras, and all that you will need for WILDing later. You have to know the basics before jumping into WILD. WILD seems very easy to do - just lay down and go to sleep, right? Yes, but without your mental preparation, you will have hard time pulling it off.

Originally Posted by BatteryCharged

" Think about it during the day, and set your intention to succeed."

I think making a big deal about this is like making a big deal about getting laid....you end up not performing well.

I can't get over the anxiety of trying too hard. It hits 4am and I end up staring at the ceiling with insomnia. Or trying to sit still for 1 hour, waiting to sleep. Or "transition". Not very pleasant.

So do I take drugs or drink milk? I can go watch TV for 1 hour but by then I think my REM are whacked and when I go back to sleep I'm not going to get much LD.

Drugs or milk will not get you lucid. Your mindset will. For that, fundamentals are needed.

There is a difference between wishing for something and setting an intent. Important thing is not to wish for it to happen and get anxious about it. Again, please read the above tutorials, they will explain a lot and get you on your way the right way. If you decide to start with DILD - Induction Methods and Techniques

Good luck and please ask anything.

I think that's what I will do. I have an alarm set and that seems to keep me up even before it goes off (as I anticipate it). I'll just try DILD for awhile until I master the other parts of LD. WILD and WBTB are in my case not that easy. It's like "hurry up and relax" in a awaken state.

Thanks.

Hello, sorry if I'm being a bit of a newbie here. But, I tried doing this and I sort of felt my body go to sleep (It was a quick process) but I'm too scared to open my eyes because someone mentioned hallucinating monsters and stuff. In order to see if you are dreaming, do you have to open your eyes? Or do you just enter a dream without having to physically open them.

Also, do you usually have to get out of bed in your dream?

Also, I could no longer hear the binaural beats that I had on, I was asleep?

And again, also, my eyes were going completely mental!

To me it sounds like you got to the REM state. Your eyes go crazy when this happens and your body is asleep. don't worry about sleep paralysis. Its natural and if you stay calm and perform an exiting technique then you will astral project. You don't have to open your eyes because your conscience splits from your body and you can see everything around you without your eyes open.

Originally Posted by spencerd25

To me it sounds like you got to the REM state. Your eyes go crazy when this happens and your body is asleep. don't worry about sleep paralysis. Its natural and if you stay calm and perform an exiting technique then you will astral project. You don't have to open your eyes because your conscience splits from your body and you can see everything around you without your eyes open.

You say an exiting technique, could you explain?
Astral Projection sounds weird, so I'll go see about that.

Its kinda tricky to explain but I've done a ton of research on astral projection and lucid dreaming. You can lucid dream if you want but astral projection is way better and more real than lucid dreaming. An exiting technique is done by imagining a way to leave your body like grabbing a rope and pulling yourself out of your body. That is how you have obes(out of body expieriences.) Astral projection is an out of body expierience.

Originally Posted by FlyRazor

Hello, sorry if I'm being a bit of a newbie here. But, I tried doing this and I sort of felt my body go to sleep (It was a quick process) but I'm too scared to open my eyes because someone mentioned hallucinating monsters and stuff. In order to see if you are dreaming, do you have to open your eyes? Or do you just enter a dream without having to physically open them.

Also, do you usually have to get out of bed in your dream?

Also, I could no longer hear the binaural beats that I had on, I was asleep?

And again, also, my eyes were going completely mental!

I think it is easy to get the wrong idea. If you let your body fall asleep and you are still somewhat aware you have no need to do anything with your eyes or body. Just settle in and relax more and more. If you are in a deep enough state you will likely see something eventually. It may be H.I. which is just imagery of any kind that is short of truly dream like (colors, mist swirling and such). It may be 'dreamlets' which are detailed flashes of visual stuff that do not hold together when observed closely (seeing a short scene that fades if you pay attention), or an actual truly dream like experience.

I recommend never opening your eyes at all. It is too risky and unnecessary. I either wait until truly dream like images happen (suddenly in a new setting) or I become very unsure if I am now dreaming about being in my bed. I then will not move in any way that is natural. I may attempt to move my hand just by having it float up a few inches above the bed. If I feel any resistance from gravity I stop before any real muscles have contracted.

Not every one will agree, but I say you must be experienced before you attempt to exit your body, and then it should be with methods that can not be real. The rope climbing thing is a good one. It is used in some WILD styles and does not need to lead to OBE (which many say is just a form of lucid dream). However, float your hands up rather than reach for the rope (I like a rope ladder myself). If you reach you may actually move your arms. If your arms float up and you pretend to be climbing you sometimes find you actually have started to dream of climbing and you can start your LD.

You both have been awfully helpful!

Last night, I didn't want to have a lucid dream or that astral projection thing because I was worried about it slightly.
Please can you tell me if it's true, when you open your eyes during Rem sleep you see things that aren't really there?

Originally Posted by FlyRazor

You both have been awfully helpful!

Last night, I didn't want to have a lucid dream or that astral projection thing because I was worried about it slightly.
Please can you tell me if it's true, when you open your eyes during Rem sleep you see things that aren't really there?

If you mean open your dream eyes, then yes, it is called a dream. Isn't that the sort of thing you want? That is, to see something that is not really there? If you mean open your real eyes, I think you are confused. Like I said, why would you open your eyes at all. Dream images do not require you to think about your eyes at all. Just wait for images, do not open anything real or otherwise. You are not going to open your real eyes with out waking up, unless you have already had issues with draeming with your eyes open. There may be a moment of dream images on top of real ones as you wake, but so what.

WILDs as they are more commonly known, are the holy grail of lucid dreamers.

Wake-Initiated Lucid Dreams, are arguably the most discussed type of lucid dream among oneironauts and for good reason.

^^ First: welcome to DV, Quentin (and Steffanieover, for that matter!)!

Next, I hope you might finish your thought: What is the "good reason" that qualifies WILDs to be the most discussed path to a LD?

Originally Posted by Sageous

^^ First: welcome to DV, Quentin (and Steffanieover, for that matter!)!

Next, I hope you might finish your thought: What is the "good reason" that qualifies WILDs to be the most discussed path to a LD?

What do you think Sageous? (I like to hear the reason too ) Is that even true as far as "Holy Grail" and such? I hope the beginners do not over look good DILD skills. What a shame.

WILD is neat, but it only forms a part of the picture guys. It is hard enough with years of training. It may have say 1 in 3 success rate when your in the groove and then fail you day after day suddenly for no good reason. If you really learn DILD then you get LDs for the rest of your life, that randomly appear as long as you have made life changes in awareness.

But on the bright side, yes WILD is pretty cool too.

Happy dreams all, and welcome to Dream Views, both of you!

Originally Posted by sivason

What do you think Sageous? (I like to hear the reason too ) Is that even true as far as "Holy Grail" and such? I hope the beginners do not over look good DILD skills. What a shame.

I think WiLD is just another way in, and its utilization is based more on timing and mindset than it is on inherent quality... in other words, DILD is just as good a way to become lucid as WILD; what route you choose is based more on when you're attempting to become lucid and where your head is currently at than it does on whether WILD is better than DILD. In the end all this stuff is just tool in a psychic toolbox, and the real holy grail is the dream... sort of like this:

Beginners and experts alike should have a goal of learning about and ultimately mastering WILD and DILD, because there will be times when one or the other will work best, based on your current timing and mindset.

I think the impression is that WILDs are: more vivid, longer, more stable, than DILDs, because they're (supposedly) "not random." With you two in the room ( Sageous and sivason), with zillions of both DILDs and WILDs under your collective belts, what can you say to this (mistaken?) impression...thanks!

^^ I for one can say that it is indeed a mistaken impression. But the mistake wasn't on your part, I think. An odd mythology about WILD has arisen over the years; maybe because of its name, I don't know. But somehow WILD has come to a stage where it must always be the most impressive passage to LDing, and of course the most impressive way must also have the most impressive results.

So no, WILD's are not more vivid, longer, or more stable than DILDs. Once you have reached your LD, regardless of how you got there, all those things are up to you now and not up to what you were doing five minutes ago when you became lucid. For what it's worth, though I have had plenty of very impressive LD's after WILD (usually in the form of DEILD), some of the greatest places I've been have been reached through DILD.

Oh, and DILDs are generally not random either -- they are much more often reached as a result of daytime mental prep and MILD activity before sleep than they are just stumbled upon by accident, I think (though that does happen).

Here's another dirty little secret I'll share: I've been on this site for a few years now, and have read many thousands of WILD accounts (not to mention the many thousands more I've heard over the years), and as described probably 75% of the dreams people think were WILDs were actually DILDs (meaning they fell asleep somewhere in the process and woke up in the dream). So who knows? DILD might be the real boss here!

And of course by saying this I am not saying there is anything wrong with WILD. It's a fine route to LD'ing. But assuming you're going to get a better dream for your effort is a mistake, I think, because the dream is up to you, when you are in it.

P.S. I forgot to mention what seems to becoming a tagline for me these days: Whether you got there through WILD or DILD, lucidity does not equal vividness. You can be amazingly self-aware with all aspects of waking-life consciousness in high gear during the dullest and haziest of dreams, just as you can have the most vivid dreams ever when you're not lucid at all. I sometimes wish they called it something else...