Thread: Dutchraptor's Deild Guide - Become an Ld god.

I've been trying to deild for some time and no luck. I think I should just let it rest for a few weeks. I am in no way giving up, just letting it go for a bit.Perhaps I am trying too hard so I am going to focus on other things for now. Good luck to the rest of you guys.

Sorry to hear that brother, and maybe it'll happen spontaneously one night. Thanks for the luck, I hope I can succeed.
And good luck to everyone else also!

Hey this is very good tech thanks for that..i have just one question before attempt tonight when i wake up from dream and stay still can i just visualize another dream scene or need to think about last dream? Thanks

Is recall absolutely nessesary or can you just imagine a new scene. I have bad recall.

Some people find it easier when they have good recall, to use a previous dream scene fresh in their mind because they don't have to put forth as much visualization effort.
Either way works perfectly fine, it's always going to be about what works best for you. Experiment a little, don't be afraid to try new things.

Originally Posted by sale011

Hey this is very good tech thanks for that..i have just one question before attempt tonight when i wake up from dream and stay still can i just visualize another dream scene or need to think about last dream? Thanks

You can do two things. You can visualize a new dream scene and enter that way. Or you can not visualize anything at all, doing this sends you to oblivion where you will spend eternity in blackness..lol but really you will most likely end up in a copy of your room

So I was really good at this for a few months and then all of a sudden I start getting really excited when I hit SP and I wake up. Any ideas? I DEILD more than anything else and I am getting frustrated.

Originally Posted by ThAtaInTmE

Is recall absolutely nessesary or can you just imagine a new scene. I have bad recall.

While not necessary for actually entering a dream it helps a tonne for waking up and staying still. After months of practise I decided to journal again and now I always turn semi-lucid right before any of my dreams end. It's handy because I almost never fail the movement part of the guide anymore.
As for it's use in reaching lucidity, like daredevilpwn said it really is up to you what you do. I only put the visualization part into the guide because its the quickest and easiest way to do it. If you want there are plenty of stuff you can do, however unless they involve creating a new scene you will likely wake up in your room.

Originally Posted by Xanous

So I was really good at this for a few months and then all of a sudden I start getting really excited when I hit SP and I wake up. Any ideas? I DEILD more than anything else and I am getting frustrated.

This is a tough one, I had this for a while too. The key is to focus solely on the dream you are trying to enter while in the back you are still very minorly aware of the SP. If you learn to disregard the SP it will after a while stop being exciting. The problem is however that if you ever have an amazing/scary experience during SP you might find it hard to enter as easily again. If you are becoming excited think of the dream and try to breath really evenly to take your focus from the SP.

I wake up every night at 330 if I go to bed at the right time. I normally use that time to note some dreams down and all, but I am going to try this now. Waking up on your own time is pretty easy, you can only work on it right before you go to bed, so go to sleep thinking about the time you want to wake up. I practiced it when I was younger by trying to wake up a few minutes before my alarm clock.

I have been having 1 or 2 LDs a week, and I just had one last night, so I will report back with how it went tomorrow, if not, then in a few days.

I was talking to some people on the chat, and they say that they can even have DEILDs when they open their eyes, move a little, or even roll over sometimes. They say it's still possible to have one if you move. Is this true?

Originally Posted by skullgunner1

I was talking to some people on the chat, and they say that they can even have DEILDs when they open their eyes, move a little, or even roll over sometimes. They say it's still possible to have one if you move. Is this true?

Yes it's definetely true, however this guide is based mostly on my own experiences and I've found that most people will fail their DEILD attempt when they open their eyes because it gives them an excuse for why it would go wrong. Some people are excellent at it. Honestly the best way to lucid dream is by making up your method, never just accept anything or disregard anything in a guide until you have tried it yourself. If you think that it's Ok to move than it mostl likely won't pose a problem to you.

Well, I don't even know how long it has been since I was on DV, but hear I am again (if anyone remembers me from this forum..)! I haven't been writing in my dream journal because of school so my dream recall is bad now, so I can't DEILD correctly. I haven't even had one LD (atleast that I can remember) since school. And, i know this isn't really the place for this question but I always rely on you guys for help so.. I was in a dream and in a shower but the water wasn't running so something made me want to do an RC. I plugged my nose but I couldn't breath. I checked my hands and fingers and everything was normal. I know that it was actually normal because that is like the only dream in a while that I can remember because it got me so mad. What went wrong? I'm just waiting for winter break now...

Originally Posted by bobberski

Well, I don't even know how long it has been since I was on DV, but hear I am again (if anyone remembers me from this forum..)! I haven't been writing in my dream journal because of school so my dream recall is bad now, so I can't DEILD correctly. I haven't even had one LD (atleast that I can remember) since school. And, i know this isn't really the place for this question but I always rely on you guys for help so.. I was in a dream and in a shower but the water wasn't running so something made me want to do an RC. I plugged my nose but I couldn't breath. I checked my hands and fingers and everything was normal. I know that it was actually normal because that is like the only dream in a while that I can remember because it got me so mad. What went wrong? I'm just waiting for winter break now...

I think maybe you need to find a new RC. Maybe you did the same one so many times that your brain expected the same results as waking life. Try something like a time line check. For example, Where am I? How did I get here? Why? It's just a suggestion.

Omg, dutchraptor, your avatar. I cant. xD

I plan on trying this technique tonight.

Originally Posted by bobberski

Well, I don't even know how long it has been since I was on DV, but hear I am again (if anyone remembers me from this forum..)! I haven't been writing in my dream journal because of school so my dream recall is bad now, so I can't DEILD correctly. I haven't even had one LD (atleast that I can remember) since school. And, i know this isn't really the place for this question but I always rely on you guys for help so.. I was in a dream and in a shower but the water wasn't running so something made me want to do an RC. I plugged my nose but I couldn't breath. I checked my hands and fingers and everything was normal. I know that it was actually normal because that is like the only dream in a while that I can remember because it got me so mad. What went wrong? I'm just waiting for winter break now...

From what I understand, sometimes your reality checks won't work if you don't pay attention to them during normal life. If you just try putting a finger through your palms or other RCs without actually questioning if you're in a dream they will stop being effective RCs. Your brain kind of gets used to the reality checks and that crosses over into your dreams.

Originally Posted by bobberski

Well, I don't even know how long it has been since I was on DV, but hear I am again (if anyone remembers me from this forum..)! I haven't been writing in my dream journal because of school so my dream recall is bad now, so I can't DEILD correctly. I haven't even had one LD (atleast that I can remember) since school. And, i know this isn't really the place for this question but I always rely on you guys for help so.. I was in a dream and in a shower but the water wasn't running so something made me want to do an RC. I plugged my nose but I couldn't breath. I checked my hands and fingers and everything was normal. I know that it was actually normal because that is like the only dream in a while that I can remember because it got me so mad. What went wrong? I'm just waiting for winter break now...

Well you see RC's by themselves aren't meant to get you lucid, it is to CONFIRM if you are dreaming, which means if you become lucid and are unsure if you are dreaming you do a RC. In order to become aware in you dreams you have to practice being aware in your daily life and not be a drone. There are two things you can do. Sporadically become aware throughout your day. Just take a moment and try to notice as much around you as you can. Take a moment and pay attention to each of your senses. You can do one sense at a time or do all 5, whatever you want to do. Once you took notice of your senses you must do what is considered a 'Reverse reality check'. The name was thought of by some old guy named Sageous. He isn't really important, just some random dude. Anyway for the reverse reality check, simply take a moment to consider what you have done a few minutes ago, what you are doing right now and what you plan to do in the future. I know it sounds like a lot but it really isn't. Become sporadically aware whenever you remember to do so. You don't have to pay attention for too long, a few minutes awareness everytime you remember to do so is fine, but if you want to do more than thats good also. Last thing. If you can be aware of all your senses all day then that is good too. But most people that are doing this for the first time can't really maintain that awareness all day.

P.S: Sageous if you are reading this, I was just joking around

Originally Posted by bobberski

Well, I don't even know how long it has been since I was on DV, but hear I am again (if anyone remembers me from this forum..)! I haven't been writing in my dream journal because of school so my dream recall is bad now, so I can't DEILD correctly. I haven't even had one LD (atleast that I can remember) since school. And, i know this isn't really the place for this question but I always rely on you guys for help so.. I was in a dream and in a shower but the water wasn't running so something made me want to do an RC. I plugged my nose but I couldn't breath. I checked my hands and fingers and everything was normal. I know that it was actually normal because that is like the only dream in a while that I can remember because it got me so mad. What went wrong? I'm just waiting for winter break now...

Well obviously this is more related to Dild then Wild but still I definetely agree with daredevilpwn, what you are trying to achieve is not actually that you realize that the world is a lie, that feeling comes naturally when you become aware (aware is better to explain then lucid). We are aiming at activating our conscious logical mind, therfore anything that involves that part of the brain should wake it up. It is important that you practise different forms of questioning stuff around you and trying to feel everything sporadically.
While this is all good, it happens that your brain pays a minimal amount of attention to insignificant things like checking reality unless you actually see something unusual, how we fix this? Through Mild.
By waking up at night after a few hours sleep and telling youself that you will enter the dream you just had and do a reality check. I personally find that it works best when you wake up at around 3-4 hours of sleeping because you are so drowsy nothing else will be on your mind and you can basically tell it what to do.

Infact I haven't had a lucid dream in a week because I'm practising Mild again, I wan't to become good at all techniques It's good to have a go at all of them.

thanks for the advice guys but I guess I wasn't too clear... I do do reality checks like you're supposed to (actually asking and wondering if I'm dreaming) and I do sporadically become "aware" throughout the day and take in everything around me and look for anything unusual. I constantly ask myself what the date is and try to remember how i got to where I was. The problem was that those RC's used to always work. They failed me again last night..

You could try explaining to yourself why they may not be working, thinking very deeply about it.
If that doesn't work, you could try shaving your head, obtaining a fake license and moving to a new country. I'm sure a sporadic drastic change in lifestyle Has to induce Something..

Originally Posted by HawkeyeTy

You could try explaining to yourself why they may not be working, thinking very deeply about it.
If that doesn't work, you could try shaving your head, obtaining a fake license and moving to a new country. I'm sure a sporadic drastic change in lifestyle Has to induce Something..

wow lmfao

Hey if anyone has question's, this thread is always open.

I haven't really tried DEILDing too much, and I have only done it once, but I do have a lot of FAs. it seems like every false awakening I have doesn't last very long if I realize I am lucid, and DEILDing has a lot of them. That is why I haven't tried it much.

So basically, best way to get out of your room from a false awakening? And does stabilizing fix it?

I have only become lucid after 2 FAs, so I don't have much experience, but it seems like from reading peoples dream journals as well that they don't last long either.

Thank you dutchraptor for this great guide! I think success is very close for me! I am able to wake up motionless, eyes closed up to five times a night, and I think I have great visualization skills. The only thing remaining is the transition into the dream, and I know I won't get in SP because of an unintentional DEILD I had (it was actually one of my first LD). Do you have any advice for me ? Thanks again for your awesome guide!!

I've got a question Dutch, I've been trying MILD for some time, whether it was me trying to use if for DEILD or for DILD, it doesn't always seem to do much. I've even tried your suggestion of waking up after so many hours of sleep to attempt it. Still nothing, if anything the grogginess of me just waking up seems to hinder my ability to repeat a mantra effectively.
Do you have any other suggestions?