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So if you have heard of "The Phase" by Michael Raduga you know it's nothing new in terms of the experience. He uses the term "The Phase" to refer to all of the lucid dreaming related phenomenon (as we would say) other people refer to by different terms. I totally agree with the assessment that these are all pretty much the same thing. Explorations in Consciousness is a great book on this topic (i.e.: lucid dreaming vs. OBE's). |
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Last edited by kingofhypocrites; 04-25-2015 at 09:14 PM.
There is a thread where we share our results. |
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I am aware. If you read my post you will see I am sharing a technique that is not discussed on these forums. I chose not to list out all the steps and instead provided a link. I also chose to share my experience with the technique which pretty much "everyone" does when they share a technique. Hence it is in the attaining lucidity section. The whole point of my post is the help others by introducing new ideas to help them obtain lucidity. My experience is just to add credibility to the technique and to show I actually tried it for myself. |
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Last edited by kingofhypocrites; 04-25-2015 at 10:46 PM.
Stop trolling my posts man. You either have a crush on me or you have a bone to pick with Michael Raduga. Either way I don't care. And that post is from beyond dreaming. Maybe you should go complain that it's in the wrong category. My original post acknowledged that he has been mentioned on the forums in the past although I had never seen that particular post. |
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Last edited by kingofhypocrites; 04-25-2015 at 11:34 PM.
Woah there, kingofhypocrites, not entirely sure that was called for. Kaan was not attacking you or Michael Raduga, he's just informing you that there's already a thread that talks about this book quite a bit. And it's not one of those ones "really old posts" (it's been active within the past month), nor is it "nothing substantial" (it's 11 pages of posts). If you were to post your experience there, you would probably get more substantial feedback from people who have already posted in that thread. |
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Thanks Kaan. Sorry I misunderstood your intentions. I posted that after you made a similar comment on one of my other threads which isn't apparent from just reading this post in sequence. In any case, sorry. Since you are familiar with his work you know he does not believe OBEs and Lucid Dreaming to be separate phenomenon, so this is by all means a lucid dreaming technique and not just something for those with more esoteric view points as found in beyond dreaming. I rarely if ever visit that section. A lot of people use the term OBE simply to mean that you have a perspective that is out of body and could be as broad as to even include non-lucid dreams that are in a fantasy setting (i.e.: you don't have to see your body or think your are in a physical plane...or be literally out of your body for that matter). I just wanted to touch on that because his website obe4u is a bit misleading in title (in reference to something spellbee2 mentioned as well via pm) since from my understanding he does not believe you are literally out of body. One can only assume he adopts more of the latter view about having focus away from the physical constitutes an OBE and is not related to literally leaving your body. I think this is probably why he adopted "The Phase" term rather than saying lucid dreaming or OBEs. If you look at his older videos though, he seems to focus on the term lucid dreaming, even though he describes what many would call an OBE. In any case, i hope the audience can be broadened a bit and that some will benefit from this thread as well. |
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@EbbTide000, Thanks I am checking it out now. |
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Last edited by Kaan; 04-28-2015 at 10:19 AM.
Oh boy, understatement of the millennium! Wouldn't that be great? I think what you may be looking for is something like Sensei's "all-modes" approach. Whenever he gains 'consciousness' he attempts to teleport: if he's in a FA or even perhaps an "exploitable Micro Awakening", the teleport succeeds and then he goes on with his lucid dream. Otherwise he tries for a quick WILD, but aiming more for sleep, if he gets the WILD, then great, and if not, then it's back to sleep and hopefully DILD from all the "thinking of LDing." |
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Last edited by FryingMan; 04-28-2015 at 11:01 PM.
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@Kaan, I think you are correct in that he wants to market to a broad audience and seems to deliberately avoid denoting what he believes the phenomenon to be. For most people, I believe the idea of leaving your body or engaging in some new "unknown" phenomenon is more exciting than the prospect of lucid dreaming. I know for me growing up I wasted a lot of time with OBE techniques when i was already having multiple lucid dreams per week. The idea of roaming the physical world was just too alluring and was partly ill guidance from Robert Monroe's book, which he himself later could not prove he was in the physical realm via laboratory experiments. |
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Last edited by kingofhypocrites; 04-29-2015 at 04:35 PM.
@Fryingman I absolutely think that is the way to go... employing different techniques based on the situation. Between my reality check/awareness practice, WILD attempts, and DEILDs, I am able to have several lucid dreams every week. |
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I'm quite confused with this. What is this exactly? I'm looking for lucid dreams and not OBEs' |
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There is no difference really. It's more of a philosophical thing. This is a "lucid dreaming" technique. Because you are aware of your body when you start the technique it is common that your dream will start in a "dream version" of your bedroom. Sometimes it will look very similar to your real bedroom with minor things out of place. Other times it might be a bedroom in a house you used to live in or one you have never seen. It is common when doing the technique to look and see your body on the bed. It's just a dream. You will notice OBE techniques are pretty much identical to lucid dreaming ones because they are "the same experience". |
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Last edited by kingofhypocrites; 05-02-2015 at 12:36 AM.
It takes practice. It is not automatic by any means and I not able to do it every time. I imagine with practice you could do it quite consistently. As I mentioned previously, I was able to do it 3 times in one morning although it is not natural for me either to remain still when waking up. But, when I am mindful of it, I am able to accomplish it somewhat easily If you check out the book on his website, part of the technique is using autosuggestion (or prospective memory depending on how you interpret it) before going to bed for the night to help you with the staying still part. |
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So basically i should use auto suggestion to stay still after awakening from a dream. Then directly after waking up i do the separation techniques.. |
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Last edited by TDHXIII; 05-02-2015 at 05:09 PM.
The closer to lucidity you are in the dream as you awake, the more likely you'll awaken without extreme disorientation where it is very easy to start moving without thinking about it. If I'm really totally non-lucid upon waking then I find waking very disorienting and I usually move before I realize what's going on. But I do not focus on noticing wakings. It is one of my goals though, as I think DEILD/Phase like technique in the late morning is a really fabulous way to get lots of LDs. |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
@TDHXIII Good luck. I look forward to hearing your results. To answer your rhetorical question about whether anyone can do it... Raduga's seminars show an 80% success rate within two nights. I talk about this a bit more in previous posts. It took me five nights to have real success with it, but I wasn't as uber focused as people would be at a seminar. I would imagine about 99% of the population could do this. Perhaps those with rare health or sleep disorders may fill that 1% but I can't imagine anyone that wouldn't be able to achieve this at some point with practice. He recommends only practicing this on weekends when you can sleep in. I would definitely recommend reading his free book for all the caveats. You can skip the 100 testimonials and just read the indirect techniques section. I am assuming you have at least watched the video or read the book to learn the cycling techniques. |
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