Thread: The 2012 'Paradigm Shift.' Is it in its beginning stages?

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

However the Mayans DID say that we will go from the 3rd world (the one we are in right now) and the 4th world. Some places sooner and others later. And it has been predicted by not only the Mayans, but the Tibetans, the Hopi, the Hindus. TO be honest, only the Mayans have set it on a certain day 12/21/20012, but the Tibetans have said that it will happen in this decade (of 2012) and the Hindus said it will happen in the beginning of the 21st century. What will happen? A new paradigm. Also, I forgot to mention the Hermeticists have also mentioned it. It isn;t beginning to happen now, it is finishing up.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

I watched some shit on history channel about the Hopi prophecies coinciding with Mayan prophecies. Here's the list:

(From White Feather, Bear Clan, Hopi Tribe)
The Fourth World shall end soon, and the Fifth World will begin. This the elders everywhere know. The Signs over many years have been fulfilled, and so few are left.

First Sign: We were told of the coming of the white-skinned men, like Pahana, but not living like Pahana -- men who took the land that was not theirs and who struck their enemies with thunder. (Guns)

Second Sign: Our lands will see the coming of spinning wheels filled with voices. (Covered wagons)

Third Sign: A strange beast like a buffalo but with great long horns, will overrun the land in large numbers. (Longhorn cattle)

Fourth Sign: The land will be crossed by snakes of iron. (Railroad tracks)

Fifth Sign: The land shall be criss-crossed by a giant spider's web. (Power and telephone lines)

Sixth Sign: The land shall be criss-crossed with rivers of stone that make pictures in the sun. (Concrete roads and their mirage-producing effects.)

Seventh Sign: You will hear of the sea turning black, and many living things dying because of it. (Oil spills)

Eighth Sign: You will see many youth, who wear their hair long like our people, come and join the tribal nations, to learn our ways and wisdom. (Hippies)

Ninth and Last Sign: You will hear of a dwelling-place in the heavens, above the earth, that shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star. Very soon after this, the ceremonies of the Hopi people will cease.

"These are the Signs that great destruction is coming. The world shall rock to and fro. The white man will battle against other people in other lands -- with those who possessed the first light of wisdom. There will be many columns of smoke and fire such as White Feather has seen the white man make in the deserts not far from here. Only those which come will cause disease and a great dying.

"Many of my people, understanding the prophecies, shall be safe. Those who stay and live in the places of my people also shall be safe. Then there will be much to rebuild. And soon -- very soon afterward -- Pahana will return. He shall bring with him the dawn of the Fifth World. He shall plant the seeds of his wisdom in their hearts. Even now the seeds are being planted. These shall smooth the way to the Emergence into the Fifth World.

"But White Feather shall not see it. I am old and dying. You -- perhaps will see it. In time, in time..."

Took that from earthevolution.blogpsot.com

Okay, so which one are we in and which will we be going in to in 2012????
Dannon says 3rd to 4th

Omnis says 4th to 5th.

And all the stuff in maroon.... has already happened. Which should mean that we are now in the 8th and will progress to the 9th in 2012?

I don't get it....

Lulz the 4th world refers to this incarnation of civilization. The fifth world refers to the next incarnation of human civilization. The 8 signs refer to the tells that the next world is approaching. We've passed all but the 8th.

I don't know what Dannon is referring to. It's possible him or someone else was interpreting events differently and pieced 3 worlds together while the Hopi supposedly orally preserved this knowledge throughout these incarnations.

EDIT: Dannon may have been thinking of the 3 transformations which have occurred. We are currently about to undergo our 4th transformation. The first three were fire, ice and flood.

Originally Posted by White Feather, Bear Clan, Hopi Tribe

Ninth and Last Sign: You will hear of a dwelling-place in the heavens, above the earth, that shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star. Very soon after this, the ceremonies of the Hopi people will cease.

Well that's kinda vague. Skylab? MIR? ISS?

All good prophecies are....

Some say Skylab, some say it means a comet is coming, some say it means Shambhala is descending.

I think it's kind of hard to talk about this without at least mentioning the #Occupy protests. Of course, there are many cynics who scoff at the entire 'movement', but these protests started as a direct extension of the uprisings in the Middle East, and perfectly coincide with the whole 'waking up' aspect of the prophecies, as well as marking a potential turn away from the ignorance of wealthy elitism and materialism.

Of course, it is a BIG IF (and at this point, it's way too early to tell just how far this whole thing is going to go), but what seems to be the beginning stages of this global movement is definitely coinciding with the timeline. Who knows where the whole movement might take us, within the next year or so? With information spreading as fast as it can, through the Internet, and more and more people using the uprisings overseas to provide inspiration and galvanization, here, it would be hard to say that there isn't a very big level of 'change' (analogous to some interpretations of the prophecy) that is potentially on the horizon.

Just thought I'd throw that out there...

I definitely think this is more than just some political movement like the tea party. It's spread to every major city in the world.

I still think the unveiling will be humanity unlocking their inner ability to manifest their desires with the power of the mind. If we could get this idea into the mainstream by verifying it scientifically, we could reverse the problems being caused and heal the planet.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

I think it's kind of hard to talk about this without at least mentioning the #Occupy protests.

I wish people would stop with this hash tag (#) stuff. This isn't twitter. It reminds me of those obnoxious people that say "L O L" out loud instead of laughing.

Anyway, I do agree that Occupy is the beginning of the worldwide revolution, but whether it's towards true freedom or just a variant of Bolshevism remains to be seen.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

I definitely think this is more than just some political movement like the tea party. It's spread to every major city in the world.

I still think the unveiling will be humanity unlocking their inner ability to manifest their desires with the power of the mind. If we could get this idea into the mainstream by verifying it scientifically, we could reverse the problems being caused and heal the planet.

I don't believe in psychic powers, but I do believe in positive thinking. However, I've found that it doesn't work when you're drugged up on SSRIs and other mind-killing drugs. Until we quit our addiction to these drugs, we'll be a very emotionally scarred species.

That's why I said scientific verification. I'm not concerned with trying to convince enough people to believe in the power of the mind.

I would say this is different from the russian revolution for several reasons. For one its non-violent. For two, there's no leaders. Even if it turned violent there's no plan to install a dictator of a proletariat. If anything they'd just reform the democracy in place to make it healthier.

2012 will go as any other year goes. There is nothing more or less special about 2012 than any other year. Ps, to whoever does not believe I have psychic powers, I sincerely think you may be wrong.

If these protests go through 2012, I take my hat off for them!

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

That's why I said scientific verification. I'm not concerned with trying to convince enough people to believe in the power of the mind.

I would say this is different from the russian revolution for several reasons. For one its non-violent. For two, there's no leaders. Even if it turned violent there's no plan to install a dictator of a proletariat. If anything they'd just reform the democracy in place to make it healthier.

Are you sure about those things that you've said? You'll forgive me if I don't just believe that you're an expert on the early history of the russian revolution.

Originally Posted by cmind

Are you sure about those things that you've said? You'll forgive me if I don't just believe that you're an expert on the early history of the russian revolution.

You are forgiven.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

I think it's kind of hard to talk about this without at least mentioning the #Occupy protests. Of course, there are many cynics who scoff at the entire 'movement', but these protests started as a direct extension of the uprisings in the Middle East, and perfectly coincide with the whole 'waking up' aspect of the prophecies, as well as marking a potential turn away from the ignorance of wealthy elitism and materialism.

Of course, it is a BIG IF (and at this point, it's way too early to tell just how far this whole thing is going to go), but what seems to be the beginning stages of this global movement is definitely coinciding with the timeline. Who knows where the whole movement might take us, within the next year or so? With information spreading as fast as it can, through the Internet, and more and more people using the uprisings overseas to provide inspiration and galvanization, here, it would be hard to say that there isn't a very big level of 'change' (analogous to some interpretations of the prophecy) that is potentially on the horizon.

Just thought I'd throw that out there...

Straight off the occupy dallas website
"Occupy Dallas, as part of a global movement, stands in solidarity...."



My opinion, what's being awakened can't be put back in the box. Sure, maybe next year the movement will evolve and it won't be called occupy. Maybe something else, maybe different websites. Different strategies. It is hard to say how it will develop in America. But it will develop. I'm just not sure if it's gonna grow out on the streets or online first.

And when I saw Egypt have her awesome peaceful revolution - I understood two things. This was a modern and universal revolution that every western country can repeat without dragging the country into a bloody meaningless war. And two, that I couldn't wait to join america's own version of it!

I don't know why so many people are confused about the occupy movement. I'm trying to understand, but I have a feeling it was simply because they watched the news.

If 2012 global shift does happen, and the Mayans are right about this happening i'd guess someone told them about this, aliens perhaps? I don't know much about this global shift. I pretty much know zero about this thing.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

I pretty much know zero about this thing.

Obviously, because the Mayans never said anything about a global shift... Spreading lies like this is why I hate this thread.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

Obviously, because the Mayans never said anything about a global shift... Spreading lies like this is why I hate this thread.

Sorry, i mean "IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!!!!!".

Originally Posted by Spartiate

Spreading lies like this is why I hate this thread.

Then leave.

Or at least pay attention. I'm not going to explain the whimsical, hypothetical nature of this thread, again. If it really pains you so much to see it, go elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

Obviously, because the Mayans never said anything about a global shift... Spreading lies like this is why I hate this thread.

Nor did anyone in this thread claim that's what the mayans were referring to. Just because the mayans gave us the date 2012 doesn't mean all prophecy about the 2012 shift comes from mayan prophecy. It mostly comes from Hopi prophecy.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Then leave.

Or at least pay attention. I'm not going to explain the whimsical, hypothetical nature of this thread, again. If it really pains you so much to see it, go elsewhere.

It's not hypothetical, it's "reverse science". You're looking for stuff to corroborate a preconceived notion... I know you're a smart guy, it pains me to see you go about the thread in this way. In the OP you say you want a serious discussion, but any attempts to inject some objectivity are labelled as "missing the point" of the thread... I still think it's important to point out the blatant mistruths that some people bring here, granted I could possibly use more tact in the future.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

It's not hypothetical, it's "reverse science". You're looking for stuff to corroborate a preconceived notion...

It's not an attempt at science, at all, but if that's the way you want to label it, that's fine. Yes, I'm looking for stuff that might corroborate fringe theories about a paradigm shift in 2012. The point that you're repeatedly missing is that even these things, that seem to coincide, are NOT being compiled as a way to prove the claims that such a prophesied event (or the different interpretations of it) are true. It is for shits and giggles, because I find the coincidences interesting - and your repeatedly barking that 'it's all bullshit' (which it likely is) does not negate that there are entertaining events going on right now, that can very neatly be placed into such prophecy. It is on this premise that the thread exists. That's ALL. You are making way too much of a big deal, out of absolutely nothing.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

I know you're a smart guy, it pains me to see you go about the thread in this way. In the OP you say you want a serious discussion, but any attempts to inject some objectivity are labelled as "missing the point" of the thread... I still think it's important to point out the blatant mistruths that some people bring here, granted I could possibly use more tact in the future.

In the OP, I say that I wanted a serious discussion about the ACTUAL EVENTS that are happening in the world (big events, specifically), which could be attributed to the whole 'End of the World and/or Paradigm Shift' hysteria. Unfortunately, you are so stuck in your crusade against ignorance, that all you hear is "OMFG, Let's find events to prove this prophecy is true!!!111ONE!!!" And then, you probably think that, when it's all said and done, someone's going to use whatever's on this thread to say "OMG!! ZEH PROFYSEES WERE TRUE!!!" Once again, this is not what the thread is about.

Such knee-jerk reactions usually come with years of hard skepticism, so I can't say that I blame you. I just wish (with all due respect, because I like you) you had enough tolerance to just sit back and stfu for a minute, and let the thread run its course. If you don't feel that something fits within the framework of the idea we are playing with, here, then by all means, say so. That type of disagreement has never been barred, here. But if you just want to chime in and say stuff that amounts to "That's bullshit, and you're all fucking stupid for even entertaining this idea," then please...Seriously...Kick rocks.

Apparently, this is supposed to be a pretty significant finding in the Mayan world (or at least those who propose the whole Mayan Prophecy thing, and many New Age-y and conspiracy theory websites). I don't know very much (read as: anything) about these codices. Can someone, who's a little more knowledgable about the whole thing, fill me in on the importance of these codices having been found - if anything at all?

Over 1,000 Mayan Codices Discovered in Museum Basement ? Mayan Prophecy to be Fulfilled on December 21 2012 | in5d.com |

Hey, I wanted to put my 2 cents into this thread...I didn't read the whole thread but I kept seeing things about "prophecies" of death and destruction.

I think this is FAR from the truth..in fact I believe it's the complete opposite

I agree with the OP thread title...the 2012 Paradigm shift is DEFINITELY in it's beginning stages


Look at how the internet has changed things, look how it is connected everything and everyone. ANYONE can now be a film maker, a game designer/programmer/developer, an animator, an artist, a musician if they have the passion to do so. Music equipment is getting cheaper, animation and filming equipment is getting cheaper

I bet in 10 more years EVERYTHING is going to be connected to the internet as one "global network". Google is already coming out with devices that can control homes.
Internet television...watch the content YOU want, anyTIME you want. They already have webcams with biometric face recognition also

Its going to be where if you want to be an actor all you have to do is submit your videos or just simply network with independent film makers. The quality of indie films are getting closer to that of mainstream/hollywood quality.

We now have information at the tip of our fingers..learn what you want , when you want, anytime you want


That's just the scientific and technological side now go to the SPIRITUAL side


The whole idea of it and the structure of it is beautiful that once you "awaken" out of this "dream world" this "matrix' or "illusion" of ego, separateness, and fear.. your tapped into an unlimited source of peace, happiness, well-being, rest, creativity, passion, ENERGY almost seems to be too go to be true

Couple that with the fact that we can become lucid in our dreams and do whatever we wish, free to build..free to create..free to destroy...free to enjoy..

I truly believe we are all one mind..one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, and this one mind wants to share and create with itself..it's only natural..

So not only will we have this explosion of technology but we will have the peace and well being of actually enjoying these things as well as the simple things that are usually taken for granted


2012 will be great friends, we are moving into an extremely more positive world. Let the liberals and conservatives fight each other...We all will move into this new world order at the end of the day

Originally Posted by Majestic

Stuff

What does this have to do with the 21st of December 2012?