Thread: Tlalocs Workbook

Tried a vibe nite last night for the first time in a while. Missed the expected wbtb so had a delayed one, and lengthned my viberation length. The late wbtb meant I only had about 1 hr 20mins of sleep to play with before the alarm woke me up.

Got close to one incorporation but the vibe went on for too long and kind of dragged me out of the dream.

However the more interesting event was a dream I had inbetween vibes just before awakening for the day. I dreamt I was driving my uncle in a car up the street - there were plenty of missed dreamsigns in this (I haven't my uncle in the flesh for 10 yrs, the driving was difficult). He told me to pull into to a parking space, and I felt massively relieved to get there and turn the engine off given I was having such a stressful time keeping the car straight and not smashing into anything. My uncle said I could take a nap, so I laid my head against the drivers window and closed my eyes, and at this point I realised I was dreaming as I realised my head was lying against my pillow in a funny positon (the pillow being scrunched up and pushing my head up). It was a very vivid and odd sensation - I had gone and closed my eyes in the car resting my head on the window and now in the same position as in the dream I was aware I wasn't actually in the car but in my bed, but still with my eyes closed! I kept the closed and tried to DIELD imagining I was still in the car and I would open them to see the inside of the car - but couldn't make it happen.

Perhaps I was at the end of the REM period, whatever - whilst it was non-lucid the junction between the dreamed reality and the actual reality seemed absolutely paper thin and incredibly vivid - I nice experience just before the alarm went off.

This supports what I've been thinking about over the last few days about how to better do the vibe nites, so I'm going to continue to experiment, trying slightly later wbtb's to naturally increase my awareness, along with trying to activate my natural 'fear' of waking the wife to the same end!

my gut feeling is that awareness is a big part not of just recognizing the vibration as a dream sign but is also key to getting it incorporated into the dream in the first place, which is not something I had thought about initially. I realise that by delaying my wbtb I will have less dreaming time left, and any lucidity will probably be less stable, but the idea of being able to increase the likelyhood of an incorporation is quite attractive, and if this fails perhaps the chance of just a normal lucid - kind of like what almost happened this morning (but obviously this morning wasn't actually lucid) might be increased anyway.

worth trying out anyway, I would love for this to work! and I have a gut feeling it just might....but I don't want to jinx it

I did a later wbtb last night, bit of a disturbed night with my daughter being ill. Didn't get to bed till 11.30, set the silent alarm for 6hrs rather than my normal 5 and it went off cutting straight though a dream I was having about surfing in NZ. Interestingly this time it just woke me up as it was much later in the morning than the one a week ago which got partially incorporated into the dream. But again shows how with a bit of luck you can hit the REM periods with an alarm. So I did a bit of the usual preps at 5.30am and tried to return to sleep. But then my wife got up because my daughter was disturbed, the birds were singing outside, I started to go into a relaxed calm and thought about WILDing but decided against trying as I worried it would result in me not getting to sleep before the alarm went off to wake up.

Anyways I did manage to get to sleep, and had a dream I was at a do with the kids, what was interesting was that in the dream I was asked to come inside to help my daughter who was stuck behind a chair, as I did this, the adult in my house she was with looked up and I was suprised to see it was the archaeologist I'd worked with for a couple of years down the road. I was a bit shocked as I thought 'I'm going to have to explain why I haven't turned up at the dig for the last 18mths!' and this shock and suprise woke me up. A couple of mins later the vibe went off (whilst I was still awake), then my daughter came in and we all got up.

So no lucids and no vibes, but this DID make me think I am on the right track again doing a later wbtb.

My awareness was definitely higher, I was very close to coming lucid. Obviously the higher awareness meant I woke up out of the dream, something I rarely do unless I have become lucid. But I think there is a better chance the vibes may get more incorporated this way, and if I can get vibes into the dream regularly then I think I am much closer to being sorted - largely because the vibe itself won't suprise me, it should just prompt me to do a R/C, if I train myself to do this in a calm way then the realisation of lucidity could be a calm one rather than a suprise. The key is getting the vibe incorporated in the first place on a regular basis.

This kind of reminds me of learning to surf. You can hang out, out back waiting ages for the perfect wave and still muck it up through lack of practice, or you can enjoy lots of smaller rides in the white water runs (broken waves) which are easier to catch but less epic.

I think I'm opting to try and do the white water thing - as what I need is the confidence and fun that might give me. Its worth a hope and a prayer! (I just popped that in to be able to use this cheesey icon!)

Originally Posted by Tlaloc

my gut feeling is that awareness is a big part not of just recognizing the vibration as a dream sign but is also key to getting it incorporated into the dream in the first place, which is not something I had thought about initially. I realise that by delaying my wbtb I will have less dreaming time left, and any lucidity will probably be less stable, but the idea of being able to increase the likelyhood of an incorporation is quite attractive, and if this fails perhaps the chance of just a normal lucid - kind of like what almost happened this morning (but obviously this morning wasn't actually lucid) might be increased anyway.

Whats up bro! Yes absolutely awareness, I think most of us try for that awareness and vividness in the dreams. This is the spot where the LUCID events are most likely to occur. Your brain has to be in the special place to say... hey something just isn't quite right. Sadly enough it seems like it is usually right on the tail end of a dream. I remember Nyxcc saying you want to be right in the sweet spot where you are asleep but can ask 'hey is that an elephant in the room?' I think 75 percent of my dreams have happened to me when I was able to sleep in or just off my normal sleep schedule. I usually get up at 5 so my mind I think is used to getting up at that time, by 7 if I am still sleeping my awareness really kicks in and this is when I usually go lucid.

Happy dreaming!

Hey 501! good to hear from you! Think you are dead right about the awareness and timing issues - man I'm sorry you have to get up at 5.00 bro! Sounds rough! I get up at 6.20ish but you are absolutely right, if I get the chance to sleep into 7.00ish the chance of going lucid shoots up.

today was a prime example - lucid 34 it happened at 7.20am, only possible because my kids were staying over at my parents at law. I was really, really stoked with this, even though it was absolutely tiny! Partly because it felt like I was breaking a dry spell of sorts, and partly because it took 2 hours of surfing some pretty cool HH to get there, and because it was a WILD - so pretty different from my usual DILD's.

Anyways I'm going to describe the night so I can refer back to it if I need to. No alcohol for once, went to bed at 10.30 so earlier than normal, 6hr wbtb - woke after 5 - amazing how I've become trained to 5 over the last 6 wks that I wake up then even if the silent alarm doesn't go off. Anyways went back to sleep and woke up at 6hrs, so 4.30 and did a vMILD, set the clock for 20mins but as you'll see in a sec it never had the chance to get incorporated into the dream.

I decided I wanted to boost my awareness as per the prev entries so I stayed awake longer, and also as I normally sleep with a sheet over my head I pulled this down, and this had the desired effect in that I became so aware I couldn't get back to sleep easily. I knew by 5.00am that it wasn't too much of a prob as I had probably 2 hrs up my sleeve, but I didn't want to WILD, rather I preferred to try and return to sleep to allow the vibe to get incorporated. It continued to go off every 20mins but I just couldn't quite get there, but the result was some really cool HH and dreamlets and sleep paralysis which came in waves, and like a surfer I'd try and pick up the swell and get lucid and each time the wave would roll past underneath me and I'd have to wait again!

The HH were very cool though, one of the first was almost more of a semilucid - I decided to try something I'd read a day or two ago on DV's and tried imagining myself clapping rhythmically, I did this for only a min or two and then suddenly I was in a car with a female DC who turned to me and said 'Why are you clapping?' and I reply (feeling stupid and trying to make up something to explain) - 'because my hands feel cold!' - and then the dream collapses! How dumb! I should say after this I also ask 'whats your middle name?' to the black but I think the dream has gone into the void by then. The name 'Jamima' comes into my head immediately (the name of a doll on a NZ kids show from the early 80's) but I think my sub-con is saying it rather than the DC (as shes gone into the void), so I don't think I can count it as getting the mthly task done It just shows how quickly our brains are scrambling to come up with explanations in dreams to make sense of the often insensible! But this exchange with the DC really cracked me up! I try the same rhythmic thing with rowing and a dream starts to form but I again wake up as I'm trying to hard to stay alert

The next one was some sleep paralysis pretty intense but cool, followed by a dream in which I started to cross a road but could hardly move my clawed hands due to the SP, as I managed to do this I woke up again....

then more waves of HH....some similar in content - I am trying to operate the electric jug - it doesn't work triggering me to think I'm dreaming and I remember I'm asleep and immediately wake up, a bit later similar thing with a toaster - it won't work, I wake up - I think these are more HH dreamlets than actual dreams - they are so short but intense, almost like visual phrases, probably related to the fact I should be up and having breakfast normally by now.

anyways its now been almost 2 hrs and I feel the REM wanting to come, so I pull the sheet over my head and the HH takes me to seeing roman pottery in a garden plot, I see some shards of different functions/types - a spotted motarium and I instantly dismiss this as a dream, as I know I haven't seen this in real life, I expect the dreamlet to collapse but it doesn't this time - this time (lucid 34) it stays. I see the pottery and am in the garden and I know its a dream, I look at my hand to see the detail, but the dream starts to collapse with a roaring in my ears, it goes black and I try to rub my hands but I can hardly move them, I'm in the void for maybe 30secs trying to unlock my arms and hands but I feel paralysed and slowly I wake up in my bed, my arms are locked around me in a mummy type position so perhaps this also entered my dream as it faded?

So the LD was pretty short but after having lots of HH wash under me I felt I finally caught my wave right at the end of the night and managed to get up and ride it even if only for a short while the ride was pretty cool and it left me buzzing all day!

I was never really asleep until that last WILD to get the vibe in so I don't think I'd call this a vibe nite, although its possible the regular going off of the alarm helped keep me alert.

final thoughts 1. pulling the sheet off my head increased awareness
2. I shifted the IC to the ball of my foot and this felt like it would be novel enough to increase the likely hood of incorporation
3. not drinking the night before helped
4. having a guaranteed sleep in allowed me to keep going at the HH, I have had nights like this before, but they work best when you can keep going to you hit the sweet spot, if this had been a work day I might have been more tired, and there wouldn't have been a lucid at the end as I'd had to have gotten up 1 hr earlier.
5. the rhythmic imagining thing worked pretty well

Final thoughts, the HH were really, really fun! It feel great to escape into another world again - there really is nothing else like it - the randomness of what your going to find is definitely a part of the attraction!

Well pretty cool. I have had maybe a very short successful WILD. I have almost given up on them since they do take so much time and I think it is valuable to get my sleep in.

Its funny you mention the drinking thing. I have pretty much stopped drinking. My wife and I would usually have a few bottles of wine on the weekends every weekend and I have pretty much stopped doing this since the weekends are the times when my lucids are most likely to happen.