Thread: BlueKat's Workbook (Intro Class)

You're welcome!

Good program you've set for this month.

Last night I remembered quite a few dreams and am happy with that. So grateful to have a buddy (thanks Naiya!) to talk with and share this journey.

I haven't written in here in a while. I've been utilizing the buddy system with Naiya. She's helped me so much. It's nice to have someone to talk to on a regular basis. I've also been in the chat room just a little.

So happy to hear the program has been helpful to you and your buddy.

This morning's LD for a second:

4:38 am Dream: I had gotten my hair done because it was New Year's Eve and I was going out with a friend. I walked into the ballroom and saw Betty White and my aunt, Laura (she's 86 and lives in NY) - she's been on my mind b/c I haven't seen her in a couple of years and I'm going to go this summer at the very latest - I went to Laura, hugged her and asked her what she was doing there. Then, I saw Mom, started to cry fairly hard as I was walking to her because I knew I was dreaming b/c I've been RCing with my parents (deceased) and my sisters (live in another state). I woke up before I got to her...and was so disappointed b/c I want to see my parents in my LDs, I tried to lie still and go back into the dream but I moved and couldn't go back to sleep right away. All three ladies were in floor length gowns and all three looked very pretty. In WL, my mother died three years ago and she died from cancer and was frail and in pain when she died so I have these horrible memories and I can't hardly remember all the good years - I totally enjoyed my parents. So, even if it was for just a short second, she looked beautiful and healthy and I'm grateful to have seen that.

Congrats on the ld! Sorry you didn't have more time in this one. I am sure you will have more opportunities to see your loved ones in future lds.

Thanks NyxCC. I am looking forward to seeing them again. I know it will happen. I've been keeping up with the RCs and I'm happy each time I've gotten lucid, if only for a short second. Seeing my mother brought out strong emotions so I'm guessing that's why I woke up so fast. My hope is that next time I'm lucid, I'm just going to try to look around, look at my hands, dream body, etc. and that will BE the goal, try to feel what it feels like rather than try to do something. I have a long list of goals but clearly I need to work on attaining lucidity and then stabilizing the dream first.

Help. I loved PMing with Naiya for the buddy program in April but I'm still not getting lucid. I've had seven, short LDs but I feel like I'm doing the work but not receiving the reward. I don't mean to complain but give me the password! LOL. I'm doing RCs, I'm trying to be more self-aware, asking what I've done the past five minutes,what I'm going to do the next five, MILD, I did the hands one for four months, now I'm doing, when I dream, I remember I'm dreaming, WILD attempts but no success yet and I record my dreams. I have learned that I need to be in bed at least nine hours to get some good recall. B6 seems to help with that. I don't really want to try Galantamine or things like that but...I'm getting frustrated. I will KEEP TRYING! The next time I have an LD I'm going to try to just look around and feel how it feels rather than try to accomplish anything. My goal list is growing but it's going to have to wait until I get some experience.

7 Lds, that's not bad at all! Keep up the good work!

Don't forget that lucid dreaming is a skill like any other and the more you train (i.e. more lds you have), the better you will become at things like induction, dream control and ld lenght. So keep it up! Do you do wbtbs? Try to pick up a day (possibly during the weekend if that's a quiet time with sleep opportunities) and experiment with the lenght of wbtbs - say from the 5 to 30 mins range and note if that makes any differences for lucidity and dream lenght. Also, don't forget to be as involved as possible in the dream - going for tasks is actually best (as it keeps you focused on the dream environment and items).

Yesterday after whining in my workbook I decided to get out my dream journal and see if I could find anything that helped me get lucid those seven times. What's interesting is that in the five months of being a newbie I really can't complain about seven! The more I read on DV, the more details I get which is helpful. I
I do want to know, though, if I'm supposed to be combining my RCs with DSs? I know my DSs but I'm not sure what to do with them during WL. Do I combine anything with my mantra? I feel like I'm doing RCs, Mantras, and focused awareness but maybe I'm not tying together things that need to be tied together. Just some thoughts.

Originally Posted by NyxCC

7 Lds, that's not bad at all! Keep up the good work!

Don't forget that lucid dreaming is a skill like any other and the more you train (i.e. more lds you have), the better you will become at things like induction, dream control and ld lenght. So keep it up! Do you do wbtbs? Try to pick up a day (possibly during the weekend if that's a quiet time with sleep opportunities) and experiment with the lenght of wbtbs - say from the 5 to 30 mins range and note if that makes any differences for lucidity and dream lenght. Also, don't forget to be as involved as possible in the dream - going for tasks is actually best (as it keeps you focused on the dream environment and items).

Thanks. I do attempt WBTB and I have dreams but not LDs. I will try different times though. I am also incorporating SAT during the day now. The last WBTB I did yesterday morning and I laid there for 75 minutes. My body felt really heavy (sp?) and started to tingle a little bit, I had some HI in some shapes but it never formed into anything and then, I always get up. How long do I lie there? That was mid morning; after 7 hours sleep.

I do want to know, though, if I'm supposed to be combining my RCs with DSs? I know my DSs but I'm not sure what to do with them during WL. Do I combine anything with my mantra? I feel like I'm doing RCs, Mantras, and focused awareness but maybe I'm not tying together things that need to be tied together. Just some thoughts.

I do a number of different combinations, sometimes all of them during the same day, at other times I switch from one combo to another. For example, I might repeat my general dreaming mantra during the day at any occasion I remember, including when looking at items. I could also include repeating while looking at DS though I don't have too many that actually appear in the flesh. Looking at the sky for instance could be a combination of mantra and DS for me. The other thing I do is to list DS and mantra on them again whenever I think about this. I.e. I see DS1, I realize I'm dreaming, I see DS2 I realize I'm dreaming. Kind of like a poem. I also have them on audio so I can play this whenever I remember too. You can also do this pre bed and during wbtbs and natural wakes.

Thanks. I do attempt WBTB and I have dreams but not LDs. I will try different times though. I am also incorporating SAT during the day now. The last WBTB I did yesterday morning and I laid there for 75 minutes. My body felt really heavy (sp?) and started to tingle a little bit, I had some HI in some shapes but it never formed into anything and then, I always get up. How long do I lie there? That was mid morning; after 7 hours sleep.

That's ok. If it drags for too long with no effect, just say your mantra for a min or so and try to fall asleep as usual. It may yield a DILD later on so not all is lost.

Just checking in. I was on vacation which took about two weeks out of getting a lot of sleep and remembering dreams. I'm working on self-awareness using an hourly chime for the moment until I do it more consistently. I'll add reality checks at that time also. I'm using dogs as a dream sign because I frequently dream about them and in the dream the dog/dogs are mine and I don't have one! I have 3 cats whom I also dream about and when I retire I'd like to have a dog also. I'm also trying to add any change of situation as a dream sign hoping that helps. My mantra is now, "I'm dreaming and I'll have a lucid dream tonight". I'm still recording dreams and drinking apple juice and taking a B6 vitamin at night. I figure none of that will hurt and hopefully it all helps. Haven't had a lucid dream in a while but I know they will come.

So...I was sort of driving myself a little crazy with an hourly alarm, self-awareness, etc. and no LDs. I took a break for a week (but kept dream journaling) and this morning I did the happy LD dance!! Yes, one of my goals is to see Jackson Galaxy (the Cat Daddy) and ask him about my cat challenges. I don't know what made me lucid but I remembered immediately I wanted to see Jackson, so I said out loud, "When I turn around, Jackson Galaxy will be there" and he wasn't but he walked into the room through a doorway. What's funny is that he was half Jackson Galaxy and half Professor Dumbledore from Harry Potter (I was talking about Harry Potter this weekend). I kind of laughed and woke up shortly thereafter. Yay. Another goal is to just feel the environment and look around and try to know the difference between dreaming and waking so I can be lucid more frequently.

Oh yea, to add, it was a WBTB after I was up for an hour playing solitaire on my phone, then used the mantra, "remember I'm dreaming". I read on Dreamviews in someone's signature, "WBTB is king" and that has stuck with me.

Congratulations, BlueKat, great job! I'm glad that not only were you successful, but that you remembered and succeeded at your goals.

I don't know whose signature you saw, but I agree... WBTB is amazing! It's the piece of the lucid dreaming puzzle that I resisted as hard as I could because it just sounded so inconvenient. But fairly early on in my lucid dreaming practices, an accidental WBTB brought me a high-quality lucid dream after I'd struggled for a couple of months to achieve one. That sold me!

It sounds to me like you're doing everything right! Keep up the great work!

That's fanstastic, Bluekat, congrats!

Also, taking a short break can sometimes be invigorating if one feels burned out from lding or real life. Now you're ready for more lds.

I know it's been a while since I posted...not for lack of thinking about LDing. I bought Galantamine and took 8 mg this morning and then promptly puked my guts out...but then after 2 1/2 hours I went back to sleep - i thought I'm certainly not going to waste this crappy experience and NOT try to have a lucid dream if at all possible! LOL. And I did have an LD...my goal for the last several months in which I haven't had an LD was to see my deceased parents. My current goal with the Galantamine was to feel how it felt, look at my hands and dream body and try to remember and notice the dreaming state so I could have an LD more easily and hopefully more frequently in the future. Well, that was my thought anyway.

So, I go back to bed and I see HI, a white blank then it would transform into a family room, similar to my own, then back to white and back and forth quite a few times. Then I couldn't feel my WL body but I knew it was there, it's hard to explain, then I was in a family room and I heard my mother. I'm not sure what went on between the HI and being in a family room with my family. When I heard my mother's voice and turned to her, I got all choked up b/c I knew I was dreaming but happy to see her. I hugged her and told her I love her and miss her and she was sweet but not 100% looking like my mother - in NL dreams, she's always looked like her healthier self (before she passed away from cancer) but in this LD she was bloated, strange but my father was there (who has also passed away) and looked normal and I didn't skip a beat. I acted like he was still living just like my sisters who were in the dream also. Then Mom faded or disappeared and I was looking out a sliding glass door and knowing I was dreaming I tried to kick it in (why I have no idea) and it took me a couple of tries and it just sort of bowed out. I laughed and moved on. Can't remember much else.

Then, I could hear my husband in WL and still couldn't really feel my body and could see some HI shapes. I tried to go back into the dream to no avail.

Now, I feel like I cheated and can't count this as an LD. And it was pretty horrible getting so sick. I won't be doing that again but I WILL get back to self awareness and be committed to meditating more frequently. My husband thinks I'm insane to have tried "drugs" but I truly felt that desperate. Now, I'll try the old fashioned way, back to MILDs and awareness. Thanks for listening. And if anyone ever gets together in the US, I want in!! Still grateful for DV.

Hey Bluekat, thanks for dropping by and sharing your experience. You know, I can actually relate to some of the things you are going through.

I don't think any of us is immune to feeling disappointed when the lds don't come as expected. However, we only have two choices - reorganize ourselves and our practices or abandon the quest for lucid dreaming altogether. And if one really needs dreams for one reason or another, then we just have to pull through and try to come up with innovative techniques to induce them (I don't mean drugs but induction techs ).

I think it will help for you to make some sort of monthly target of practices that you want to do each month and then try to meet that target. As the month goes by, you will see which of these practices give you results - make note not just of lds you have but dreams where one talks about lding, RCs and things like that. This will help you determine the way to go. Then the following month analyze the results and set new targets.

Looking forward to any ideas you have. You can do this Bluekat!

Thanks NyxCC. I will take your suggestion and identify some practice goals. I've been recording most of my dreams and know my dream signs but I think I would feel more productive if I track meditations, self awareness, LD stuff in dreams, MILD, WBTB, etc. I'll come up with some goals. I definitely like the idea though. Thanks again. Will keep you posted. I am going to do this!

Oh my gosh!! I totally forgot about the LD I had 6/30!! That was only 6 weeks ago and I'm complaining about not having LDs. One of my cats unexpectedly passed away 3 weeks ago and I guess I'm still out of sorts. How could I forget about half Jackson Galaxy and half Professor Dumbledore? WBTB is king!! Thanks CanisLucidus and NyxCC.

Congratulations on the lucids, BlueKat!!

I'm sorry to hear about the negative experience that you had with galantamine! It sounds like you're not interested in trying it again, but in case the interest does return at some point, I'd definitely suggest starting with a much smaller dose and only gradually working your way up. That lets you find the perfect dose for you that helps give you results without experiencing side effects (such as nausea, yikes!)

Anyhow, you should be very proud of both of your LDs! Don't believe for a second you didn't earn them! All lucid aids (and even the undisputed champ, WBTB) can do is help you. Ultimately, it's your skills, determination, and hard work that will make everything fall into place.

Good luck and keep us posted!

It's funny you suggest a much smaller dose. I think I was in the lucid aids forum and I mentioned I was going to start with 2 mg and someone recommended more. And the more I read, it seemed like 8 mg is what most people were taking. But you are right, I should've started smaller. And though I'm a little embarrassed, I did get it back out of my garbage can. I appreciate the support.

Originally Posted by BlueKat

It's funny you suggest a much smaller dose. I think I was in the lucid aids forum and I mentioned I was going to start with 2 mg and someone recommended more. And the more I read, it seemed like 8 mg is what most people were taking. But you are right, I should've started smaller. And though I'm a little embarrassed, I did get it back out of my garbage can. I appreciate the support.

Cool! There's nothing to be embarrassed about -- it's all part of the learning experience! And surely you don't think I've never fished something useful back out of the trash before.

Good luck and keep up the good work.