Thread: can i die from lucid dreaming?

1) I never at any point implied that I speak for everyone. I made it clear from the start that I was speaking on my own personal behalf. See how I use the worss "personally" and "me" throughout the post?
2) I'm not whining. I'm voicing my opinion on your posts. If you go around saying you can have a heart attack from lucid dreaming.
3) Don't tell me whether I have a desire for knowledge or not. You post no proof for your statements, you only speak of studies that have been carried out. When and where, I have no idea. It's not just about MY desire for knowledge or clarification. Your statements affect other people too - if you say you can have a heart attack lucid dreaming, you might want to back the statement up.
4) "The selective destruction of synaptic pathways by a brain has even been studied in regards to the common house cat." See point number 3.
5) Correct, you've not had to dumb down anything, but phrasing your posts in a more modern manner would probably make them more easy to read. Sometimes I have to take several seconds to figure out what you've said. I imagine those of a younger generation would agree.
6) Studies have shown that a group of dogs that comprise a prime number may, on occasion, share dreams. I'm not going to tell you which studies, because you clearly don't seek clarification, or you would have phrased it differently. See? I can say things without proof, too.

TL;DR
If you tell people something quite shocking, you should provide proof. Otherwise, the statement becomes what I like to call a blatant lie.
Again, no disrespect. Don't bite my head off, I just seek clarity in all things, be it in lucid dreams, through evidence, or in the phrasing of words.

Originally Posted by Philosopher8659

I really appreciate your whining. However, the assumption that you speak for everyone is quite big of you. However, I do not recall any mandate on this site that I had to dumb down for anyone.

And, your manners are quite clear--you have no desire to clarification or even proof, for if you did, your approach would be the same as anyone does when they seek knowledge.

The selective destruction of synaptic pathways by a brain has even been studied in regards to the common house cat.

I agree with MythicDreams. You can't make sweeping statements like that without backing it up just slightly.

Do you even know what "The selective destruction of synaptic pathways by a brain" means?

Originally Posted by Philosopher8659

One's psychological foundation depends a great deal on learned experience, and as learning actually changes synaptic pathways, it is hard wired. The real psychological changes brought about by lucid dreaming can lead to events in which the mind must actually destroy synaptic pathways because of conflict with what one learns.

This is stupid, why is lucid dreaming different than waking life in this regard? Destroy synaptic pathways.. you make it sound like it's bad, that just something you assume right? If one learns something new, why should destroying the synaptic pathways mean anything negative? It's not about the destroying either, but about the creation of new connections, the old ones can still be there without any conflict. You seem to look at it in a very narrow reductionistic way, instead of looking at one very special part of something and extrapolating it to lucid dreaming having destructive properties, you should see it more holistically. Lucid dreaming is (in total) positive for the individual in every way.

First of all, this is not the Matrix If you die in a dream state your body does not die as well. You are perfectly safe in your lucid dreaming.

Second of all, even if you could have a heart attack in relation to dream content, this would be true of any dream and not directly related to lucid dreaming in any way. In fact I would think that normal dreams that you can't control - ie nightmares - would be more likely to induce a heart attack, if that is in fact possible.

I see there's been some tension within the topic, but I'll write this while ignoring everything that doesn't directly relate to the original question, because I'm more concerned about the OP:
Lucid dreaming is very much the same as non-lucid ("regular") dreaming, and therefore whatever happens with regular dreams is what's likely going to happen with lucid dreaming - in this case, you will probably never find yourself dead or in a coma from normal dreams, and therefore you should find the same to be true from having dreams in which you know you're aware that you are inside a dream. That's all it means to lucid dream, just that you're inside a dream and know so.

Well, actually, it is possible for your body to break REM atonia while Lucid Dreaming (Just like it can happen in a normal dream. i.e. sleepwalking)
If you go to fly out your window in your dream, and your real body imitates this, then you could die.

But that is the same amount of risk as normal dreaming. In fact, I would say less risk, because when lucid, you have more of a chance of realising your real body is moving (This happened to me once). Which means you are able to stop your body from moving.


But I suppose that isn't really the question.
Basically, you cannot die because of lucid dreaming, But you can die while lucid dreaming. And dying while lucid dreaming isn't a big risk at all, really. the risk is negligible.

It is totally safe. ucid dreaming is no more dangerous than regular dreaming, which happens every night whether you want it or not.

There is no escaping dreams

Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

It is totally safe. ucid dreaming is no more dangerous than regular dreaming, which happens every night whether you want it or not.

But what about lucid dreaming!

Lucid dreaming is no more dangerous than normal dreaming.
PS: If you post BS without any proof, people will call you out on it. Just saying...

Originally Posted by Philosopher8659

The real psychological changes brought about by lucid dreaming can lead to events in which the mind must actually destroy synaptic pathways because of conflict with what one learns.

The danger in this is that one might seek professional care and the drugs prescribed may interupt a natural and quite frankly mechanical processes. The events are quite intense, and if one does not understand, quite scary. I have, early in my life gone through two of these. The second one, I saw it coming and simply rode it out. The main effects last about three days. Secondary effects can last for months.

The depth of these, of course depends upon one's past experience.

Care to provide any credible evidence that lucid dreaming can lead to mental instability and the need for medication? For someone who can't shut up about his great intellect and reasoning skills, you are awfully quick to resort to an anecdote as proof of a phenomenon.
On a side note: Being wordy and name-dropping philosophers doesn't make you any more knowledgeable nor your point any more valid
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Originally Posted by Kahiko

i realy want to know if i can die from lucd dreaming or its induction techniques. also is it possable that evil things wil come in my deam to harm me and i have NO way of protecting myself. i realy dont want to die yet because there is alot i need to die here.

i think i already have had some bad experiance's with dreaming. i got fever from it and i got realy tired
know i dont say these things are directly related to lucid dream but there is a big chance it is

no lol...you cant i have had so many dreams falling from buildings ( and hitting the floor ) also being stabbed or shot things like that

even more so when your lucid you know its your mind creating it so how could you die ?

and you can not die from holding your breath either ( awake or asleep its impossible )

Originally Posted by lucidisfree:)

and you can not die from holding your breath either ( awake or asleep its impossible )

Yeah, you can't... Since you'll faint from lack of oxygen, and while you're fainted your body will return to breathing normally.

I'm sure the majority of people have had some form of dream where they've died, lucid or not. There'd be a lot less people here if they all died.

Would you actually reach the point of fainting, or would you be forced to take a breath before that point?

No, you CAN kill yourself from holding your breath... as long as you do it next to or in a body of water.
So, if you have a lucid dream in a swimming pool, you might die.

I feel that the OP should also be informed that lucid dreaming while involved in a gun duel can result in death.

Indeed. Also, if you lucid dream while driving, you might end up dying. Just so you know.

Never mind lucid dreaming, I think we're about to give the OP a heart attack.
All in all, there's no chance of dying in an LD.

i have had a dream under water in a swimming pool and i woke up and took a deep breath thats why i done alot of research into it

Originally Posted by slash112

Well, actually, it is possible for your body to break REM atonia while Lucid Dreaming (Just like it can happen in a normal dream. i.e. sleepwalking)
If you go to fly out your window in your dream, and your real body imitates this, then you could die.

If I'm not mistaken, sleepwalking is somewhat of a rare condition and it's genetic or something along those lines, so, if you haven't sleepwalked yet at night, then you aren't likely a sleepwalker

No, but you can die from a reaction to dream content. Most typical is a heart attack.

Troll, but I'm going to reply anyway.

Any assertion that you can die in a dream can't be backed up. How the hell are you going to know what a dead person was dreaming about?

/argument

Originally Posted by Samael

Troll, but I'm going to reply anyway.

Any assertion that you can die in a dream can't be backed up. How the hell are you going to know what a dead person was dreaming about?

/argument

I believe you might have misread the post you were replying to. The post you read, in case you read it differently than I did, meant that it's possible to have a heart attack from having a terrifying nightmare, an incredibly shocking dream, etc. It's very unlikely, but still possible, and therefore is valid to be mentioned, though it's not a death within a dream, it would be a death you had if you went into cardiac arrest upon awakening from the dream.

So, you're right: /argument

Just do an RC before jumping out of the first-floor window and you'll be just fine.

In reality you can die from anything. Honestly there are many things we do not know about lucid dreaming but it seems very unlikely it will kill you. I and many others have done it before and are alive to discuss it here and with others. I truly believe the empowerment you will get from it will help you in so many ways, including dealing with your potential fear of death. The most common thing people do when they become lucid, recognize they are have an out of body experience or sleep paralysis is react in a fearful manner. If you can overcome this, it will change your life in many wonderful ways!

I am a very religious person, and i must say devils and demons can cause you mental harm but not physical, unless you became possessed (but i've never heard of that). Plus yo can't get sick after a dream, unless its a sign. the fever was a coinsidense.

I have suffered from very bad night mares since I was a child. The doctor called them night terrors.
I awake to see the most horrible sights. I see people coming towards me with knifes to stab me. I believe they are real at the time. I always jump out of bed screaming to get away from them. I now live on my own & hate going to sleep most nights. It feels like my heart is going to bust with the pain when I see these people beside me.
It takes ages to get myself calm again. The point is, I have been having this happen to me for at least 30 years & I am still here lol. My heart is still beating strong & God only knows how is hasn't packed up on me during one of these night mares. I would love to lucid dream. At least you can get some control.

Well you should get some control, use lucidity to control your dreams and use them to your advantage. Tell your self strongly that you can't be hurt and what happens in a dream is not real. And if you dream and someone is going to kill you a friend told me to let them. I'm not sure why but i think is becuase if you confront by not being scared and running away, you may eventually get over it.