Thread: Pedophillic or Gay?

Originally Posted by shinta66

Give this video a sec. XD

I need to say that more often.
Anyways, I'd say more pedo than gay. It doesn't matter if they're actually 18 in the show, they look 12.

Originally Posted by DeeryTheDeer

I think that, if anything, shows like that are extremely patronizing to women, how they're so cutesy, demure and ultra-super-feminine all. the. f*cking. time.

I wonder what it's like to be a Japanese teenage girl and have to deal with that sort of crap.

This documentary shows the effect of anime on young girls in japan (contains disturbing scenes):



As to the origional question, its not gay, and its fine to think somethings cute. The issue's start when you want to put things inside them i guess.

I saw nothing disturbing. Maybe if I knew Japanese I'd understand what was going on

Originally Posted by slayer

The last half of that sentence made no sense to me.

The idea is that you see a little girl who is "18" so it's a-ok to be attracted to her, because, after all, she's not a little child, she's really 18! It's OK!

Originally Posted by Grod

The idea is that you see a little girl who is "18" so it's a-ok to be attracted to her, because, after all, she's not a little child, she's really 18! It's OK!

Well yeah...there isn't a law against being attracted to someone.

Originally Posted by slayer

Well yeah...there isn't a law against being attracted to someone.

Well, I think you're a sick fuck.

The point was that if you portray a character as a child in every sense of the word, the artificial label 'adult' doesn't mean anything. It's arbitrary. But I don't really think this is a case for pedophilia, though.

hmmmm interesting... all of it...

That is catchy as shit.

Originally Posted by Grod

Well, I think you're a sick fuck.

lmao

Originally Posted by Grod

Well, I think you're a sick fuck.

She's not only actually 18. She's also... Not real.

Originally Posted by Maeni

She's not only actually 18. She's also... Not real.

Kind of makes it worse...

Save your excuses for the guillotine.

Why is it so hard to understand, that in the same way that people can be attracted to other people of the same sex, people can be attracted to other people that are older or younger than them selves? Sure, in some cases, acting on these attractions can be bad, but the attraction is there, and a lot of people need to understand that it is no more a sickness than how homosexuality is a sickness.

Originally Posted by Marvo

Why is it so hard to understand, that in the same way that people can be attracted to other people of the same sex, people can be attracted to other people that are older or younger than them selves? Sure, in some cases, acting on these attractions can be bad, but the attraction is there, and a lot of people need to understand that it is no more a sickness than how homosexuality is a sickness.

What about people that are attracted to animals, are they the same too?

Originally Posted by dorpis

Yeah, just a thing he wants to put in the little girl's thing.

that's all I'm trying to say, man

Originally Posted by Spartiate

Kind of makes it worse...

What. You think it's worse to pursue pedophillic attractions by finding fictive characters in illustrations, instead of going out and finding the real deal?

Originally Posted by Spartiate

What about people that are attracted to animals, are they the same too?

I'd say yes. It's all just different orientations. Whether you call them paraphilias, sexualities, orientations, diseases or sicknesses... They're not the same, obviously, but you can't say one is a sickness and another is an orientation, just because you don't like it, or it isn't as accepted, or it is harmful or whatever you think it is, it's still just an attraction.

Originally Posted by Grod

Save your excuses for the guillotine.

Why are you so mean?

There's no harm finding children attractive, or animals or whatever. As long as it stays on fantasy-level, anything goes.

Originally Posted by Maeni

What. You think it's worse to pursue pedophillic attractions by finding fictive characters in illustrations, instead of going out and finding the real deal?

Any deep attraction to fictional characters can't be healthy.

I'd say yes. It's all just different orientations. Whether you call them paraphilias, sexualities, orientations, diseases or sicknesses... They're not the same, obviously, but you can't say one is a sickness and another is an orientation, just because you don't like it, or it isn't as accepted, or it is harmful or whatever you think it is, it's still just an attraction.

Some attractions (namely between consenting adult humans) can lead to a healthy relationship while others cannot. A gay person's love life is not dysfunctional because he's gay, whereas a pedophile's condition is not only harmful to others but also to himself. Same goes for people that like goats and people that fuck bicycles.

Originally Posted by Jakro

There's no harm finding children attractive, or animals or whatever. As long as it stays on fantasy-level, anything goes.

No harm? What about the pedophiles social life and the countless psychological issues that can arise from living a life of repressed desires? Assuming you're a heterosexual male, imagine if you were attracted to normal girls your whole life but would never act on your desires, does that sound healthy?

I'd think everyone has fantasies that never come through.

Originally Posted by Jakro

I'd think everyone has fantasies that never come through.

There's a difference between occasional fantasies and your main attraction. If you're at the point where you don't pursue a normal relationship because you like little boys, what kind of quality of life is that.

Well this is getting very situation-specific. I don't think being attracted to children/whatever excludes you from having attraction towards consenting adults. Besides, relationships are much more than just sex. You can have otherwise fulfilling relationships even if you supress your fantasies towards children.

There was a good piece in Savage Love about the "Good pedophiles":
Dan Savage by Dan Savage - Columns - Savage Love - Dan Savage - The Stranger, Seattle's Only Newspaper

Originally Posted by Spartiate

Any deep attraction to fictional characters can't be healthy.

Healthier than none? :V

Some attractions (namely between consenting adult humans) can lead to a healthy relationship while others cannot. A gay person's love life is not dysfunctional because he's gay, whereas a pedophile's condition is not only harmful to others but also to himself. Same goes for people that like goats and people that fuck bicycles.

That doesn't really change the fact that they are all just different sexualities. It's just that some sexualities are more or less difficult than others : /

No harm? What about the pedophiles social life and the countless psychological issues that can arise from living a life of repressed desires? Assuming you're a heterosexual male, imagine if you were attracted to normal girls your whole life but would never act on your desires, does that sound healthy?

Man, you're many steps too far ahead. I was expecting the usual "homosexuality has consent so therefor it is sexuality, pedophilia is harmful so therefore, disease", and I argued accordingly. But yeah, it harms the pedophile. But I know a bunch who claim to live happy lives, after they learned to accept themselves. And not only that, but they live happy lives, often even with children of their own, without doing illegal or inappropriate things...

And then again, homosexuality does something like that, too. It definitely causes a lot of distress in people who are homosexuals. From the moment a person finds out that he is a homosexual, it is bound to cause a bunch of problems that you have to deal with both right at that moment and many years on. The same goes for pedophilia, though it is getting better for homosexuals...

Originally Posted by Jakro

Well this is getting very situation-specific. I don't think being attracted to children/whatever excludes you from having attraction towards consenting adults.

Actually, not really. There are exclusive pedophiles, and there are non-exclusive pedophiles.
I'd estimate that there are at least just as many exclusives as there is non-exclusives. Exclusive pedophiles are people that have absolutely no attraction whatsoever towards adults, and I'd imagine such a person would find it hard to even want to have anything to do with a person their own age...

Besides, relationships are much more than just sex. You can have otherwise fulfilling relationships even if you supress your fantasies towards children.

And as the hordes of angry pedophiles will claim, pedophilia is not all about sex. They have a clear emotional attraction as well. (As for my personal opinion... Not so much. Not sure, though.) Trying to have an "otherwise fulfilling relationship", would be much like trying to have a relationship with a woman as a gay man, for an exclusive pedophile.

EDIT: Quote from that link
"There is no known way of turning a pedophile into a nonpedophile," says Cantor. "The best we can do is help a person maximize their self-control and to help them build an otherwise happy and productive life."

Yeah, right. You know, I've actually had a few psychologists try doing this to me, and it left me more depressed than I was before it.
Although it's otherwise very sensible.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

What about people that are attracted to animals, are they the same too?

They are not the same, none of them are. They just can't be changed.