Thread: Anonymous vs Facebook

Facebook is no way immune to DoS however, it would be extremely hard to do since FB is actually set up to have millions upon millions of users at once. One would need an extremely massive botnet to attack FB and I do not think Anon would want to exert their efforts into attempting to down the site and expose their ways.

Expect nothing. No disappoint.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Facebook is no way immune to DoS however, it would be extremely hard to do since FB is actually set up to have millions upon millions of users at once. One would need an extremely massive botnet to attack FB and I do not think Anon would want to exert their efforts into attempting to down the site and expose their ways.

Hense the word "essentially" in my post. Facebook has:

Some of the most sophisticated traffic distributing systems
Everyday traffic that exceeds most DDoS attacks
Highly sophisticated throttling mechanisms

That makes it essentially DDoS attack proof. A DoS attack requires maybe 10000 requests per second (I can crash some of my company's systems at about a quarter of that, but say FB's is faster,) per server. Facebook has about 100,000 servers. Anonymous' botnets have maybe infected 10,000 computers, and not all of them participate in every attack. It's not quite that longshot because all traffic also goes into a distribution server, which is more of a chokepoint, but because it does nothing but redirect traffic, it can handle many times more requests, and all it does is send back redirects. There are also many of these distribution servers, a massive DDoS may take one or two of them down, but the NAT servers will immediately flag them as down and redirect all traffic to the ones that are still up and stops sending things to the down server. The down server then finishes the requests, and brings itself back up.

Amazon has a similar setup; Anonymous launched a large DDoS attack on them after the Wikileaks thing, and they barely even made a dent. Facebook is much larger than Amazon, and on a daily basis handles much more traffic.

My assumption is that they will not be using a DDoS attack, because they all know this too.

Pft anon. TOTSE was the real deal, before the forum flooded with trolls. (HTS-NOOB). Honestly, the Government will either hire the hackers to work for them, or throw them in the slammer; It's an ultimatum.

But just to be safe, I don't post any information what so ever. Even posting what country your from makes it just that much easier. As far as facebook is concerned, I'm a 22 year old Norwegian university graduate majoring in sociology and quantum physics. "Anything you don't want to the world to know, don't put on the internet"

Originally Posted by Firebat11

But just to be safe, I don't post any information what so ever. Even posting what country your from makes it just that much easier. As far as facebook is concerned, I'm a 22 year old Norwegian university graduate majoring in sociology and quantum physics. "Anything you don't want to the world to know, don't put on the internet"

LMAO Yeah I'm from Australia, but I'm around 90 something years old and don't have a job, never went to school or uni and don't have a gender.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Hense the word "essentially" in my post. Facebook has:

Some of the most sophisticated traffic distributing systems
Everyday traffic that exceeds most DDoS attacks
Highly sophisticated throttling mechanisms

That makes it essentially DDoS attack proof. A DoS attack requires maybe 10000 requests per second (I can crash some of my company's systems at about a quarter of that, but say FB's is faster,) per server. Facebook has about 100,000 servers. Anonymous' botnets have maybe infected 10,000 computers, and not all of them participate in every attack. It's not quite that longshot because all traffic also goes into a distribution server, which is more of a chokepoint, but because it does nothing but redirect traffic, it can handle many times more requests, and all it does is send back redirects. There are also many of these distribution servers, a massive DDoS may take one or two of them down, but the NAT servers will immediately flag them as down and redirect all traffic to the ones that are still up and stops sending things to the down server. The down server then finishes the requests, and brings itself back up.

Amazon has a similar setup; Anonymous launched a large DDoS attack on them after the Wikileaks thing, and they barely even made a dent. Facebook is much larger than Amazon, and on a daily basis handles much more traffic.

My assumption is that they will not be using a DDoS attack, because they all know this too.

You're right about DDoS probably not working out for them. Though I'd be surprised if their botnets have only grabbed a measly 10K systems. You and I might take it for granted that if you use the right tech, and don't click on fake dialog boxes that are obvious popups, the internet is a pretty safe place to be... but if you've ever seen the computers of the not-so-savvy people ("why is it slow? I don't get it" while they have like 20 toolbars running and spyware coming out the ass), I'd say they're at least one order of magnitude bigger than 10K.

Even then, the thing with a ddos of the scale it would take to take down facebook, patterns will emerge in the queries, whether it's by location or something else, and it's not that hard to block those patterns.

Heh I'm wondering what kind of scale you'd need for the bottleneck to be the ISP gateways haha.

I'm pretty sure you willingly sign yourself up to be part of the botnet, they don't use viruses per se.

Originally Posted by Replicon

Heh I'm wondering what kind of scale you'd need for the bottleneck to be the ISP gateways haha.

A lot less than Facebook But taking down ISPs will affect more than FB, and only users of that ISP.

Originally Posted by tommo

I'm pretty sure you willingly sign yourself up to be part of the botnet, they don't use viruses per se.

No, botnets infect your computer without you knowing.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

No, botnets infect your computer without you knowing.

No shit. But someone set up a site where you willingly sign up so they can use your computer in DDOS's.

I would enjoy Facebook going down. I use it myself, but sometimes I just like to see the world burn.

I'm afraid, however... that many people will be upset. Imagine if Twitter AND Facebook both went down?! Annoying people worldwide would have nothing to do but annoy their friends with SMS text messages! I don't know if I could withstand such horror.

Meh. Probably won't work.

What if you heard Anonymous taking down Dreamviews? It would never happen because they have no reason, but what would you think?

Pretty much the same thing I think about the Anonymous taking down Facebook message, or the Anonymous vs Dayton Police message.

It's not an organization, you know.

Originally Posted by Raetin

What if you heard Anonymous taking down Dreamviews? It would never happen because they have no reason, but what would you think?

Right, it would never happen.

If it did, I would be pissed. But it's not going to happen you hear?

Lol, I hear you.

I think if they were serious about taking down Facebook, they wouldn't send out a message advertising it. This is just a way for them to have some fun and be theatrical. It's be pretty cool if it worked though

Originally Posted by Geodae

I think if they were serious about taking down Facebook, they wouldn't send out a message advertising it. This is just a way for them to have some fun and be theatrical. It's be pretty cool if it worked though

I like where your heads at but you're still giving them too much credit as being an organized entity.

But you're right this message was for theatrical purposes.

It also gives them time to prepare. This might be old news but apparently, FaceBook hired a team of hackers to find different ways of breaking into the site so that they can fix them.

But, as long as computers will be around, so will the hackers. There's nothing you can really do to stop them.

Maybe some of those hackers were anonymous.... That would be pretty sweet lol

Originally Posted by tommo

Maybe some of those hackers were anonymous.... That would be pretty sweet lol

Lol yeah. Spies taking notes.

Nothing big is happening. Apparently this was a major project at one point in time but it got scrapped and a couple rogue anon's decided to rekindle it with the viral November 5th video. Then the media got wind of it.

Sweet and short version: Anonymous isn't fully backing this attack, therefore will probably fail considering facebook is comprised of uber elites vs. a few anons.

Rogue Anon...

Rhymes with face palm