Thread: US school shootings Shocking

I just want to say Cuba is not a shit-hole & communism is not moronic. While I personally prefer a capitalist society, its hard not to see the many benefits communism can provide for countries of poor wealth and weak leadership. Its not like America's war on communism was ever about principle, and democracy, it was about control through proxy wars against the USSR. Much like how America demonized communism in the Cold War, it is doing the same-thing now against Islamic nations. Also, China has long been a successful nation even in its times of monarchy, and its turn to communism is the only reason they are even a dominant power in the world.

I wanna remind everyone this discussion was originally about gun control in the US, talk about a tangent.

Tangents break out in all good threads.

How did communism make China powerful? Their size and conquest principles made them powerful, but communism just held them back. How did they pass Germany and Japan and become the second richest nation in the world in recent years? What suddenly changed. One word: capitalism.

The Soviet Union was trying to take over the world and turn it into East Berlin. We couldn't let that happen. Your hypothesis about control through proxy wars is unfounded. We had a real threat do deal with, and we dealt with it.

Please explain why the Soviet Union fell but China has recently become the second wealthiest nation in the world. Could it be that communism is a moronic principle?

Cuba is an undeveloped country with a shitty economy and third world status. How are things going in Vietnam and North Korea?

We are not against all Islamic nations. Do you think the United Arab Emirates is an enemy of ours? What about Kuwait? Turkey? Our problem is not with Islamic countries. Our problem is with radical nut job dictators who fund and train terrorists. Isn't that sort of understandable?

Update (as promised)

Facebook trolls hijack Adelaide mum Sam Paior plans for toy gun 'buy-back'

Pasadena mother-of-two Sam Paior last night said she had deleted about 400 vitriolic posts from the 'Toy Gun Buy Back' Facebook page she had established to help:

educate children,

provide support for those affected by gun violence and to

share mental health support and resources.

Ms Paior said she believed many of the vitriolic posters had misunderstood her reasoning behind the event.

"We are not asking for tighter gun control in Australia,"

she said.

"We just want to help families who want to get rid of their toy guns.

"I have had to delete about 400 posts."

Ms Paior was forced to shut the page down and has established a replacement Facebook group for the event.*

Here is full news article:

Facebook trolls hijack Adelaide mum Sam Paior plans for toy gun 'buy-back' | News.com.au

The Chinese nationalists prior to WW2 were all cowards that bent over to western influences and demands. All the blue collar workers were just laborers for the rich foreigners, while the landlords became business partners with the foreign entrepreneurs making the consumer lifestyle exclusive to the rich. In other words, China was a cowardly nation until the communist revolution led by Mao Zedong. If it wasn't for this China would currently be a weak castrated nation by the west much like how Japan is now. You want proof of this today? Look at Taiwan, another bitch nation to the United States, guess were all the nationalists fled to after Mao Zedong conquered China, that's right! Taiwan.

The main reason China's economy succeeded was through capitalist inspired economic reforms, namely speaking, allowing foreign investment & the privatization of government industries. So now you see entrepreneurs from all over the world coming to china to do start-ups, but the government made sure that the majority is always state owned. All I'm saying is China would of never even got the opportunity to succeed if it was not for the revolution that took place.

America and the USSR were engaged in proxy wars during the cold war, this is a well known fact, not a hypothesis, and is not even disputed academically (Bay of Pigs? Tibet? Korean War? Israel-Palestine? Iran & Iraq? Cuban Missile Crisis? Afghanistan & Soviets? Vietnam? Nicaragua? El Salvador?). Both nations were doing the exact same thing, there are declassified CIA documents even explaining the strategy they used in turning a country into a puppet nation. The CIA would assassinate leaders of countries then implement puppet representatives/figure heads as their leaders, we did not care if they were democratic, communist, dictators, or psychos as long as they were obedient. Some examples of dictators armed and given financial support by the US government are but not limited to; Saddam Hussein; Hosni Mubarak; Manual Noriega; Fulgencio Batista; Cordova; Muammar Gaddafi.

The soviet union fell because Gorbachev lost favor to the republic, what does this have to do with China's economic reforms? and besides just because the USSR has been dissolved doesn't mean the communist party was, it still plays a large role in Russian politics and has great influence.

Vietnam and North Korea were ravaged and manipulated, and even through that North Korea at least is actually pretty successful for an isolationist country even though Kim Jong Sun is fucking insane.

Every single Islamic nation you mentioned are bitches to the West and don't deserve my respect in the slightest. The only respectable Islamic nations are Iran, Syria, and Lebanon (Really Hezbollah not Lebanon). The hypocrisy of the US blows my mind, and more so the fact that most Americans don't even notice it. We go on and on about human rights violations in other countries but when it comes to countries America is allied with they don't bring it up on CNN or Fox news. Anyone here know about the RIDICULOUS human rights violations happening in Saudi Arabia? Why doesn't the US saddle up on their high horse of morality and bring justice to these poor people who don't have democracy. BECAUSE AMERICA DOESN'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT DEMOCRACY IN OTHER COUNTRIES ALL THEY WANT IS A WEAK AND COMPLIANT GOVERNMENT and since Saudi Arabia is already just that, whats the point of doing anything about it

Also Turkey is part of NATO of course they are not enemies of the West.

Cuba has a shitty economy because the United States pressures the UN security council to impose sanctions on them, of course they are gonna have a shitty economy but they are actually doing pretty well. I wish I could visit Cuba, oh well.

"The Soviet Union was trying to take over the world"

I guess its only ok for the US to try and take over the world.

So on another "Tangent"

bossman wrote:
I wanna remind everyone this discussion was originally about gun control in the US, talk about a tangent.*

Universal Mind wrote:
Tangents break out in all good threads.*

I just saw this on TV.

Golden Eagle snatches kid in Canada:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE0Q...e_gdata_player
(59 seconds) posted today and over a million views already. 1,045,385 views

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Tangents break out in all good threads.

How did communism make China powerful? Their size and conquest principles made them powerful, but communism just held them back. How did they pass Germany and Japan and become the second richest nation in the world in recent years? What suddenly changed. One word: capitalism.

The Soviet Union was trying to take over the world and turn it into East Berlin. We couldn't let that happen. Your hypothesis about control through proxy wars is unfounded. We had a real threat do deal with, and we dealt with it.

Please explain why the Soviet Union fell but China has recently become the second wealthiest nation in the world. Could it be that communism is a moronic principle?

Cuba is an undeveloped country with a shitty economy and third world status. How are things going in Vietnam and North Korea?

We are not against all Islamic nations. Do you think the United Arab Emirates is an enemy of ours? What about Kuwait? Turkey? Our problem is not with Islamic countries. Our problem is with radical nut job dictators who fund and train terrorists. Isn't that sort of understandable?

There is nothing relevant nor factual about any of this. Rather than get off on some tangent that has nothing to do with my point, I'll stick to relevance.

I argued in favor of a progressive tax, not communism. Nothing you said relates at all to my argument regarding a progressive tax, you have done nothing but attack a strawman.

I believe he was responding to my post, although I really do like your straw-man phrase... I've never heard that one before

The current discussion seems to have nothing to do with American school shootings. The only reason China came up was that people were hypothesising that the violence is linked to incomes, and China is a counterexample to incomes and quality of life being easily linked to GDP. I don't see how the history of communism is relevant to the discussion and how it even attempts to address the issue of American violence, which is not a communist country.

Folks, I am not the one who started claiming that high school shootings are the results of income disparities or anything else economic. The people who were claiming that stuff brought economics and the evils of economic success into this. I argued back. If you think the economic debate is irrelevant, tell them that. I agree that high school shootings and economics are unrelated.

BossMan, you have excuses for every communist shit hole in the world plus the Soviet Union. I know we had proxy wars with the Soviets, but they were about stopping Soviet/Communist expansion. The oppressive empire fell because they ran out of money because communism really is moronic. Gorbachev tried to reform the country/empire, but it was too late to save it. China's people did get enthused over the introduction of communism in the country, and that did make the country more aggressive and powerful, but the country became more of a shit hole than ever. Mao imposed laws that resulted in mass starvation and horrific oppression. I am talking about millions of deaths. Vietnam sucks superhuge balls, and North Korea is the most extreme shit hole mentioned in this thread so far. It is not because they are victims of ravaging by anybody other than their own governments. Check out a photo of Earth at night and compare North Korea to South Korea. How do you explain the difference? It's because of the failure of communism, not random ravaging. The "bitch" Islamic countries you talked about are our allies because they are not warped ass dictatorships. The U.S. is not trying to take over the world. If we were, we would already own at least the Western hemisphere plus a lot of Europe and Africa. We could take over Canada before breakfast. What did we do after World War II when we had control of part of Europe? We let them be free. What did we do with Kuwait after we drove out the Hussein regime? What did we do with Afghanistan after we helped them drive out the Soviet Union? (We didn't take them over until the fascist terrorist Taliban ruled the country and harbored the war leader who attacked us.) If we wanted to take over the world, we would own your country right this second. By the way, why do you live in the UAE if it is a U.S. "bitch" that doesn't deserve your respect "in the slightest?" Also, the government of Iran trains and funds terrorists and executes people for being gay and adulterers. Syria and Lebanon are about equally scummy. Treating women like punching bags you can rape is condoned by those governments. They are ruthlessly oppressive dictatorships. How are they respectable?

Original Poster, or whatever your screen name is this month, you argued for collectivism. I pointed out its detrimental aspects and some of its historic failures. When you stop crying, tell my why you disagree with me, if you honestly do.

Universal Mind, I'll send you my response in a PM. Let this thread get back on track.

The truth is, I can't really comprehend what happened. Its like something from a comic book, it doesn't make any sense.

America does have a poverty problem, but so far there has been NO CONNECTION between poverty and these tragic school shootings. If the desperate go the violent route, they don't gun a school -they gun a quikymart or bank. They go for cash and supplies, not kids in school.

Currently, almost all of these crazy people shooting in school came from upper middle class white families. At first glance, we don't understand why they could be so crazy coming from such a "nice" family. But there is a growing trend in upper middle class white families that you don't see in poorer minority families - drugs.

So many of these crazy kid-shooters were on anti-depressants. These medications aren't cheap. Poorer families don't medicate their kids because their loud and annoying or weird, they just deal with it. Its the upper middle class families who are medicating their kids left and right for every stupid little thing.

I think these anti-depressants are dangerous for youth. And it is a culture problem that were just supposed to drug up kids and left and right for stupid reasons. Teachers have actually been empowered to diagnosis kids and decide if they should be medicated and parents and doctors just go along with it mindlessly.

Other than it, it just makes no sense how someone could do this. Of course there would have been warning signs. Why didn't anyone pay attention?

Originally Posted by juroara

Poorer families don't medicate their kids because their loud and annoying or weird, they just deal with it.

I don't think anti-depressants can do those things to a person alone.
But assuming that there is some kind of relation, then the above quote explains it. Some people deal with problems, other people don't. Obviously you'll have problems if you don't deal with them.

I'm also really perplexed about how this could happen. It's a completely numb feeling except for when you actually start to really think about it. But it's one of those things where you just sink into a hopeless "But why?" kind of mindset.
I don't get why so many people are so aggressive. There's so many things in life that I hate and that I wish were different, but I never have any kind of desire to hurt. I don't get it. Fuck the world.

Related rant.


1:01 says a lot. A clip that I've seen repeated many many times.

On a related note, I also really hate how this always happens. Afterwards there will be thousands of discussions about this and that, what should be done, what caused it, why is America like this and so on so forth. It's almost like the tragedy itself gets drowned in bickering. I don't know. Of course we have to try and find out how to make the situation better. I guess it's because I know that I personally have no clue, and I get the feeling that most other people don't either, so it feels like the bickering is unproductive, almost like the tragedy was just a springboard for ranting about whatever thing we dislike. But I guess it is necessary. I guess one thing is for sure and that is that a change is needed. Maybe America should just become more flexible. What would be so wrong about making a new law? Can't you just get rid of it if it doesn't work? It many times feels like the world is just so so terribly rigid and it won't change even when what needs to be changed is so obviously flawed.

Originally Posted by khh

You'd be able to kill a lot less people with a kitchen knife than with a handgun. Just saying.

Depends really, I mean in any building you could hear a gun go off and everyones alerted to the danger in the first kill, unless your using a silencer, but with a knife someone could walk into the school rooms and individually kill one by one silently and no one would know until they found the bodies or got away, but that might be hard if its like the school I went to and all rooms only had one entrance. I mean walk into one room, guard the door, kill the teacher none of the kids are gonna be able to get through you out the door, probably wouldn't even try because they would be too terrified.

No I think in this particular situation ( Having Low Budget and Wanting to Kill Students in School) if executed right you could kill alot more people with a kitchen knife.




I think that this has very little to do with guns and more to do with the mental health and (American) societies look toward Violence.

In fact when the government starts spending all this money on a "War on Guns" it will be really wasted, and should be going more toward helping people with mental problems.

We need to also ban that big ball Indiana Jones ran from in Raiders of the Lost Ark. Just think what that could do to a hallway full of kids. Also imagine what could be done to a school yard with a catapult and a bunch of farm animals.

When my mouth is less numb I might feel more enthused about this argument.

America has a culture that is obsessed and willfully embraces violence. One major part of the problem.

Would I get banned for suggesting that Lanza acted in self-defense?

Just ridiculed most likely.

Children can be dangerous in large numbers.

Yeah man Haven't you ever watched the movie Battle Royal, Those Adult Japanese knew the danger of kids and kill one class every year to keep them in order.... Infact its kinda a fucked movie, alot like that condemned movie.

Battle Royale is a Japanese not Chinese.

Thank You for the Correction, I watched it like Six months ago.

Originally Posted by ZeraCook

Thank You for the Correction, I watched it like Six months ago.

xD I didn't wanna be that guy but I've read the book and comic so I felt obliged to do so

Originally Posted by BossMan

xD I didn't wanna be that guy but I've read the book and comic so I felt obliged to do so

WHoa there are books and Comics for that, Imma have to check that out.