Thread: Tell me who here is not a freaking druggie

Never done drugs; had a sip or two of alcohol but that's about it.

Originally Posted by thedreamingwolfess

Never done drugs; had a sip or two of alcohol but that's about it.

Then you've done a drug. It's official. You're in the club. There is no turnign back now.

I'm a freakin' drugg-

Oh, it's this thread again...

I'm not a druggie (as in regularly using drugs) but laughing gas and wine are my preferred choices when it's that time again.

In that order!

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Still makes no sense to me.
Ohhhh right right right right RIiiiiiiight.
I think I get it. He means he doesn't get influenced easily by other people.

Badly worded imo.

salvia...

for all the people who want to try it, just realize it can do things to you that you will not like. it can do things that make you want to die.

be REALLY careful and make sure you are at the right position in your life. the decision to smoke salvia IS NOT, under any circumstances, one to take lightly.

I personally will never smoke the stuff again. it really fucked up my world, and i would recommend others to stay away from it but to each his own. i really don't think that shit was meant to go into the human brain.

it was really fun the first few times and then one day i became reality and died and some other shit... really too fucked up to even consider explaining.

wanna trip? do some fucking cid or shrooms. it's actually worth the money and won't leave you doubting the existence of the universe and shit.

@ question--> i use some drugs. and they are the ones that i see merit in. the ones that i feel make my life better. you can sit there and eat the fucking adderal that doctors are shoving down ever little school girls throat. Yeah eat your fucking speed. if it's all the same to you, instead of eating synthetic chemicals, i'm gonna hit a bowl a couple of times next time i need to chill-out. smoking weed motivates me to be a good person because it makes living with dumbasses bearable. not quite as pissed off, as a result i have time to be a nice guy. people don't realize that everything they feel is a result of chemicals in their brains. drugs are a way to moderate that.
last time i'll fuck with this thread... promise.

please excuse my numerous insults.

Originally Posted by lysergic

it's actually worth the money and won't leave you doubting the existence of the universe and shit.

I wouldn't say that. Acid has completely ripped me out of my head and into alternate dimensions on two different occasions, and it wasn't enjoyable whatsoever. It depends on the individual and the setting.

Aye, you can't generalize something as immensely powerful as LSD.

I would trust Elis D. about LSD.
Just had to say that lame statement.

I am 38 yrs old. Do not smoke (anything) and drink extremely rarely!

However, I have done shrooms - never ever again!! messed up my head totally!! I had a furbie (remember those fluffy toys things?) shouting at me for four hours and that awful spice girls song "holler" on constant play in my mind - I tried making myself sick but the furbie said it was uselss - it sounds mild but believe me, it scared me!!

Also, speed - but only a couple of times so all in all I think I got off lightly

Originally Posted by hungrymanz

You're another mindless sheep-person who believes in the anti-drug propaganda forced upon you by your government.

I seriously hope this guy is kidding.
If not, someone has to say it - idiot.

I've seen too many people's lives go down the damn toilet because they wasted it on drugs. I can't believe how naive some of you people are on here...

"OH WELL IT ARE DUZNOT HURTS MEH AND I CAN STIL GO TO CLASS SO THERE4 IT ARE GOOD FOR EVRYONEZ!!!!!!! A DUR DUR DUR DUR DUR DUR DUR!!!!!!"

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
Not wanting to insult anyone's intelligence or anything but the preceding nonsense is all that I can make out when I read some of the utter bullshit that is written here. No one ever had to tell me that drugs or alcohol or any of that shit would be bad for me. Why do people adhere to this notion that you have to consume chemicals and go out of your mind just to be yourself or to have fun? Are some of us just really that sad, pathetic, and boring? Is there not some better way than to risk becoming an addict, screwing up your life, and making things harder on the rest of us when we have to support you through taxes? Maybe some people can indeed get by with it, but I don't think most can, or even care enough to moderate themselves. Not from what I've seen. The world is in dire need of some serious cleaning.

We can make excuses all day for the stupid things we do but seriously people, grow up, you know I'm right, stop fucking crying. >=0

"y r he so meen 2 meh...2 tell meh that da smokin and da drinkin r teh bad..."

However that last post by Universal Mind cracked me up,
That's all I have to say. Today will be a good day.

Originally Posted by Advantageous Noodle

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
Not wanting to insult anyone's intelligence or anything but the preceding nonsense is all that I can make out when I read some of the utter bullshit that is written here. No one ever had to tell me that drugs or alcohol or any of that shit would be bad for me. Why do people adhere to this notion that you have to consume chemicals and go out of your mind just to be yourself or to have fun? Are some of us just really that sad, pathetic, and boring? Is there not some better way than to risk becoming an addict, screwing up your life, and making things harder on the rest of us when we have to support you through taxes? Maybe some people can indeed get by with it, but I don't think most can, or even care enough to moderate themselves. Not from what I've seen. The world is in dire need of some serious cleaning.

Choo Choo!! The fun train is here.

Originally Posted by Serkat

Choo Choo!! The fun train is here.

So you agree with him, too? =]

Originally Posted by Advantageous Noodle

I seriously hope this guy is kidding.
If not, someone has to say it - idiot.

I've seen too many people's lives go down the damn toilet because they wasted it on drugs. I can't believe how naive some of you people are on here...

"OH WELL IT ARE DUZNOT HURTS MEH AND I CAN STIL GO TO CLASS SO THERE4 IT ARE GOOD FOR EVRYONEZ!!!!!!! A DUR DUR DUR DUR DUR DUR DUR!!!!!!"

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
Not wanting to insult anyone's intelligence or anything but the preceding nonsense is all that I can make out when I read some of the utter bullshit that is written here. No one ever had to tell me that drugs or alcohol or any of that shit would be bad for me. Why do people adhere to this notion that you have to consume chemicals and go out of your mind just to be yourself or to have fun? Are some of us just really that sad, pathetic, and boring? Is there not some better way than to risk becoming an addict, screwing up your life, and making things harder on the rest of us when we have to support you through taxes? Maybe some people can indeed get by with it, but I don't think most can, or even care enough to moderate themselves. Not from what I've seen. The world is in dire need of some serious cleaning.

We can make excuses all day for the stupid things we do but seriously people, grow up, you know I'm right, stop fucking crying. >=0

"y r he so meen 2 meh...2 tell meh that da smokin and da drinkin r teh bad..."

However that last post by Universal Mind cracked me up,
That's all I have to say. Today will be a good day.

Sorry, that was pretty narrow-minded.

But we are talking about two different things here.
You're speaking of the immature, 'getting-wasted' attitude, I might
probably agree with you on most points there.
But there are drugs that can actually be good for you.

But all of it is just not as simple as you make it out to be.
People should not jump to conclusions, if they have no idea,
what they are talking about. And you can have your opinion of
course, but decide for yourself and not for all the people on the planet.

Growing up beforehand is an important factor!

Originally Posted by dajo

But we are talking about two different things here.
You're speaking of the immature, 'getting-wasted' attitude, I might
probably agree with you on most points there.
But there are drugs that can actually be good for you.

Two different things.

"Getting wasted attitude," someone who wants to get high just for the otherly experience. Also, someone that is addicted. Or, someone that thinks the secret to life is hidden in a drug. That is what I consider a druggie.

Two different things.

What kind of druggie are you talking about?

I smoke pot to get high. That's my number one use for it. I also use it medicinally to treat my insomnia, depression and back pain.

However, I don't use psychedelics to get "fucked up", I use them as a way to help spiritually connect with myself and those around me. I use psychedelics less than once a month(more often than not I'll only use any psych a few times a year).
Occasionally I use pot as a way to improve meditation also.

And dajo is making a very good analogy.
There are people that drink to catch a little buzz and maybe use it as a social buffer.
And there are people who spend every waking moment either drinking, drunk or thinking about drinking.
The same goes for drugs.
A little bit, in moderation, is not a bad thing.
Excess however, is.

Originally Posted by Abra

Two different things.

"Getting wasted attitude," someone who wants to get high just for the otherly experience. Also, someone that is addicted. Or, someone that thinks the secret to life is hidden in a drug. That is what I consider a druggie.

Two different things.

What kind of druggie are you talking about?

I am talking about the generalization of drugs. Throwing everyone in the same bowl. There is a difference between the immature use, without proper information, preparation, being too young, inexperienced and thinking of any of this as a 'joke', doing harm to oneself and so forth. But there is also the mature use, an adult making an adult decision about his own body and mind, informing oneself (apart from the media propaganda).

There are ways of natural drugs, marihuana and certain psychedelics, that seem to have immense, positive effects on dealing with diseases. It should be accessible at least for those in direct need, since it is a healthier and far cheaper way than the chemical medicine pharmas force onto people.

There is also spiritual knowledge to be gained. Wether you believe it or not is not the point here. There is a large number of legitimate people that researched, determined and explored the depth of (natural) drugs and have come to conclusions, one of them actually is stating that it can be good for people. And.. if you haven't noticed, in this modern world, in our western society - mentally ill is the norm.

A lot of the 'food' that is out there is far more dangerous than most drugs.
(But again, the're like a trillion different kinds -natural and unnatural- there is just no way to generalize: some are not addictive, nor unhealthy - like mariuhana (eaten or vaporized) or certain other kinds of plants and then there are those that are highly addictive - like cigarettes or heroin, or actually do harm to your brain, in the case of (too much) alcohol.

I could also argue that mind alteration is a very natural thing. It lies in the nature of consciousness, animals even do it. Or I could argue that mankind has done it since they started to exist.

I don't see why for example anyone would have a problem with a guy having a psychedlic experience once every few months. Or someone who comes home after work and drinks a glass of wine, or smokes a joint.
What's the harm?

My point is that there are a lot of different angles to view this subject.
Don't be too quick to jugde and if you must judge - do it individually.

Originally Posted by Advantageous Noodle

I've seen too many people's lives go down the damn toilet because they wasted it on drugs. I can't believe how naive some of you people are on here...

You must've surrounded yourself with a copious amount of idiots, then.

(Oh, and dajo is on par with everything he said. Maybe you can widen that narrow mind of yours and comprehend.)

FYI: First-hand experience does not qualify as "media propaganda."

It is meaningless to discuss the one person who can moderate himself with drug use when most of the people who use drugs abuse them. Again, I'm going on personal experience - I've seen many wasted/ended lives because of this stuff, much more than I've seen it do well for anyone. I would not lie about this because honestly I have nothing to gain from lying to someone who is in the Internet.

(I'll provide the benefit of the doubt to the discussion by saying that not all drug users are actually abusing anything, even though technically by law, yes they are. But whatever, it doesn't matter because some people believe they are actually above the law and act as such.)

I would like to add that just because a substance is "natural" it does not mean that it is always good for you to use. Please, don't be so easily deceived.

Alcohol, that is to say any substance that contains a hydroxyl (-OH) group attached to a carbon atom, is a natural substance that is formed from processes like fermentation, as I'm sure many of you already know. Alcohols are formed naturally by many MANY different organisms - but we already know that it (ethanol) destroys the brain cells and it destroys the liver if you ingest it. IT IS BAD FOR YOU. You are hurting yourself if you consume it. It will not kill you if you are not excessive (though I wouldn't say this is impossible). But forget that shit - maybe if you use enough you can see dead people.

So even though some of us can be "responsible," there are others who are succumbing to this bullshit. But we don't want to look at the full scope of this issue because we're too busy using marijuana to try and talk to ghosts or something, whatever the excuse is. Nobody wants to consider the ones that are lost; we only want to think about ourselves, because hey, nobody cares about everyone else as long as they get what they want. And THAT mindset is what I would call narrow-minded.

We do not live in an ideal world where only the most level-headed, purest and wisest of all people are the ones who get access to these kinds of mind-altering substances. No, these things are available to the public at large - anyone who wants to try something can do so at their leisure. I'll even tell you how to get all the drugs you want, legally. All you have to do is be able to pay for it somehow - just go tell your doctor that your back hurts. Swear on your mother's grave that it hurts so bad, and presto, you've got all the candy you want. This is not a joke, this is not propaganda, this is not an opinion. This happens everyday everywhere, this is real, and it is a very serious problem. It's called "Pain Management."

So just to clarify, I'm not trying to say that an ideal person will not be able to moderate himself. I'm only saying that for the world, as a whole, this type of behavior is doing more harm than it is doing good.

Originally Posted by AN

Nobody wants to consider the ones that are lost; we only want to think about ourselves, because hey, nobody cares about everyone else as long as they get what they want. And THAT mindset is what I would call narrow-minded.

I would say anyone who's already been lost or are on their guaranteed way to being lost doesn't have much to do with other people, but the individual. The background of the individual, the personality, life experience and so-forth. I always acknowledge the crack addicts and the heroin junkies, the ecstasy-addled and coke-fried, but in the end the harm has already been done - harm usually commited by the person themselves and the heartless man or woman who sold them the drug despite what condition they may be in.

I find it extremely interesting as to how someone ends up down that road, anyways... was it bad parenting? Misguided personality? Who really knows, but, why should I end up taking responsibility for someone elses weakness in willpower and intelligence?

That's exactly right CB. Plus we already know that making things illegal isn't the road to take. It's not stopping these people from getting what they feel they need. So AN what exactly are you trying to suggest?
If these people who abuse drugs want to take them, why should you (or some other random person) be the one to decide that they shouldn't?
On an extreme level (but one which SOME people end up on par with) would you take away somebodies right to kill themselves?
Of course not, whatever someone wants to do, they're gonna do it.

I suppose these friends of yours were all dropkicks to begin with?
IF they didn't end up abusing illegal drugs they would have turned to legal ones anyway. As you said, it's easy to get prescriptions and even easier to get alcohol.

So really, you can come on here and rant with no point, or tell us what you are trying to suggest.

Originally Posted by CoLd BlooDed

(Oh, and dajo is on par with everything he said. Maybe you can widen that narrow mind of yours and comprehend.)

I apologize, i didn't mean to insult anyone.
It was just a reaction to:

Originally Posted by Advantageous Noodle

I seriously hope this guy is kidding.
If not, someone has to say it - idiot.

I can't believe how naive some of you people are on here...

...anything but the preceding nonsense is all that I can make out when I read some of the utter bullshit that is written here...

...Are some of us just really that sad, pathetic, and boring?...

We can make excuses all day for the stupid things we do but seriously people, grow up, you know I'm right, stop fucking crying.

I was just trying to show, that generalization can't possibly work.
There are extremes in either direction, but it's not black and white,
moreso pretty colorful.

But, I also like to have fun once in a while, drink, smoke -definately not
always for a spiritual or enlightening cause! I do realize what that does
and can do to me, but I am making a conscious decision.

So it did seem to me, that I'd fall into the category of the sad, pathetic and boring idiots.

Originally Posted by Advantageous Noodle

So even though some of us can be "responsible," there are others who are succumbing to this bullshit. But we don't want to look at the full scope of this issue because we're too busy using marijuana to try and talk to ghosts or something, whatever the excuse is. Nobody wants to consider the ones that are lost; we only want to think about ourselves, because hey, nobody cares about everyone else as long as they get what they want. And THAT mindset is what I would call narrow-minded.

I have made very different experiences than you.
Marijuana to talk to ghosts?

But that seems to be narrow-minded, I agree.
Sorry for attacking you, I guess I felt a little pushed.

I'm only saying that for the world, as a whole, this type of behavior is doing more harm than it is doing good.

So prohibition didn't seem to work then,...

Hurts the whole AND the individual.

immediately after you give blood, drink a beer or two. it's genius.