About to try galantamine for the first time.

**BaronKriminel** · 05-10-2014 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by StephL

Do you think it had a detrimental effect to your supp-free attempts afterwards, or were/are you "just" back to where you had been before trying them out?

I do think it slowed down my natural progression because when you do take G&C even once a week, you rely on something external to achieve a result you could reach internally with some work and right mindset. And this is even worse if you're on a dry spell because then you rely even more to the G&C to have some lucid experiments.

My opinion is that G&C are just good at the very beginning, when you start your lucid dreaming journey. It allows you to get a glimpse, a taste, of what the NPR (non physical reality) is or can be. Like a starter before a main meal.

But the more you work LD techniques, the more interest you have to give up to all those supp which modify your brain chemistry. You don't want this to succeed in the LD quest. Every time you take some G&C, you're stepping back to your true power of achieving by yourself what you want some chemicals to do for you.

Look at it this way : when you do learn to bicycle, at 1st you use some aids (dont know how to say it in english, you know the little wheels so that you dont fall). But will you know how to ride a bicycle if you constantly rely on those aids ?? NO.
If you REALLY want to know BY YOURSELF how to bicycle, one day you will have to remove those aids. First times you might fall, that's right. But very quickly you will know how to bicycle on your own.

This is the same with G&C : the more you take them - even just once a week -, the more you admit your inability to LD and your need to have those aid. As long as you will keep on using them, you wont be able to LD. If you truly know how to LD, you dont need any supplement. Period. Anyone who claims the contrary is delluding himself.

**NewWorldLucid** · 05-10-2014 08:18 PM

So today will be my first day trying galantamind .. I will eat a ton of nootropic foods and take 10 Mgs of melatonin so I'll rebound with a vicious rem period on top I'll drink neuro sleep which has L - theamine . 5 htp and more malatoni plus I'll drink a bedtime chamamile tea 4:30 hours later I'll take my first 8mg/ 200 gal cho mix ...... Wish me luck? Any last warning maybe farewells ? One question is there like a hang over last night I did exactly the same routine exactly ...then I woke up at 4 I said fuck it and didn't take the g /ch and went back to sleep and all day today I've been really tired....so talk to me not scared just don't want tomorow to be bad

**FryingMan** · 05-11-2014 05:18 AM

Holy moly there buddy, that's a freaking crapload of supplements! *Start Slow With Single Supplements At Minimum Doses And Slowly Build Your Way Up To Combinations and Higher Doses!* For one thing, you won't find what it is that actually works for you if you take everything all together right from the start. For another thing, taking both melatonin (especialy 10mg of it, a VERY LARGE dose!) AND 5-HTP might just knock you out all the way to morning.

Yeah supplements can make you feel not well! Too much melatonin for example can make you really groggy, as can taking it in the middle of the night. Melatonin at bedtime and more melatonin later? That's a recipe for being groggy/heavy headed the next day.

NewWorldLucid, I understand the desire to really experience the incredible wonders of lucid dreaming. I would however encourage you to TAKE IT SLOWLY especially with the supplements. It didn't take me very long to get really good recall and extremely excellent vivid and fun dreams on a regular basis without any supplements at all. Getting lucid however takes longer because you need to build up awareness over time. Lucid dreams really are amazing, but so are vivid non-lucid dreams. In fact, if I had to make a choice (glad I don't have to!) I choose long vivid non-lucid dreams every night over having just a few (even really excellent) lucids per month.

Improve your dream recall, do daily awareness work, and the lucids WILL come.

**Goldenspark** · 05-11-2014 04:10 PM

Definitely agree with that! Take it slow with low doses, or you won't know what works for you.
Maybe one 4mg Glantamine plus 200mg Choline bitartrate max to start. See what happens and take a week off before trying again.

**StephL** · 05-12-2014 03:32 PM

Ah - alright BaronKriminel - I thought so.
You are not saying, it had a direct detrimental effect, then - like suddenly not reaching LDs at all any more, while you did before. It is more a general, philosophical concern.
Just wanted to make sure, I understand what you are saying.

Too much Melatonin, NewWorldLucid!
I'd maybe try 3 mg at bedtime and that's it then - I think, your motivation to take the rest and go for an LD suffered from taking so much.
I have experimented with Melatonin a bit, since we got it in the house anyway, and while I did seem to get quite good results at first - in the end, it's not a viable way on it's own and in higher doses - 6 mg is the maximum at bedtime, with which I don't suffer from impaired vigilance the next day.
My own experiments with galantamine and choline are still pending - but I would start with half the dose you planned on taking!

**Delapaix** · 03-23-2015 04:04 AM

Originally Posted by Goldenspark

Hey Delapaix, thanks for the advice, and apologies that I missed it! I have been off this post just lately.
I think when I next try again I might have a go with more Choline. I had been doing one 200mg with 4 mg Galantamine, but then went on to 8mg with still only one 200mg Choline. Sounds like you are doing a lot more Choline.
I guess for creating Acetylcholine you need enough Choline, regardless of the amount of inhibitor (Galantamine)?

- I did end up going a bit higher with the galantine also, which gave me nausea. But lowering the galantine back down and taking it along with ciltep provided good results too.
I'm also mixing things up a lot with other supplements. I've found that fermented fish or skate oil helps too. I am now going to begin running frequencies with crystal oscillator to help the pineal gland (632 hz, 662 hz), and scheduling to get the rest of the mercury out of my teeth (old fillings)

**Delapaix** · 03-23-2015 04:11 AM

Originally Posted by NewWorldLucid

So today will be my first day trying galantamind .. I will eat a ton of nootropic foods and take 10 Mgs of melatonin so I'll rebound with a vicious rem period on top I'll drink neuro sleep which has L - theamine . 5 htp and more malatoni plus I'll drink a bedtime chamamile tea 4:30 hours later I'll take my first 8mg/ 200 gal cho mix ...... Wish me luck? Any last warning maybe farewells ? One question is there like a hang over last night I did exactly the same routine exactly ...then I woke up at 4 I said fuck it and didn't take the g /ch and went back to sleep and all day today I've been really tired....so talk to me not scared just don't want tomorow to be bad

-Probably too much melatonin- better not to take more than 2 or 3 mg- or try valerian root or tryptophan or 5-htp instead. 8mg/200mg is a good place to start- I would gradually raise the choline and keep galantine at the same level. I do agree that raising the severity level of the rebound is worthwhile.

**FryingMan** · 03-23-2015 10:00 AM

3mg melatonin @ bedtime, 2x 4mg Galantamind, 1x 300mg choline bitartrate, 1x 300mg Alpha-GPC @ 5 hrs WBTB = insomnia for rest of night and zero recall. Dang.

**FOATL** · 03-25-2015 06:49 AM

ehh.....maybe later....

**Delapaix** · 05-08-2015 08:29 AM

Tonight:
2,000 mcg B-12, 300 mg Tryptophan and 300 mg Tyrosine at midnight-
4:00 a.m. - small amount go Yohimbe, 1 galantamind + 200 mg alpha GPC... will post results tomorrow...

**Delapaix** · 05-08-2015 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by Delapaix

Tonight:
2,000 mcg B-12, 300 mg Tryptophan and 300 mg Tyrosine at midnight-
4:00 a.m. - small amount go Yohimbe, 1 galantamind + 200 mg alpha GPC... will post results tomorrow...

result- no lucidity, just regular dreaming (vivid, but not illuminated) note: small amount *of* yohimbe.
Next time will try increasing galantine to 6 mg. I don't normally use yohimbe, but I have it here, figured I would tinker with it a bit.