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      About to try galantamine for the first time.

      Edit: The posts that follow this one on this thread share multiple attempts, often with success.

      I'm about to go to bed, and I have 4mg galantamine prepared that I'm going to take with a couple swigs of liquid lecithin for some choline. I'm going to set an alarm and take it after 5hrs of sleep. That may be a bit longer than I should wait however -- I've been doing long distance running and that often causes me to be wide awake after relatively short sleep. Hmm, I could try it after 4hr....

      I've had a couple lucid dreams in the past couple weeks, and I've been mentally very actively thinking about lucidity a lot lately. I think I'm about to do a half-hour meditation before going to bed. Wish me luck =)
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      Alright, that was promising. I didn't have any lucid dreams, but I did notice effects. As I was going back to sleep after taking the stuff and sitting for a few minutes, after some time I had more hypnogogic imagery than I ever really do. I had about 3 dream sequences that I recall, and a couple of those sequences seemed more continuous than my normal dreams have been lately.

      Definitely worth the try to me. I'm going to wait a day before I try again.
      --charlie

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      okay so, last night (the second night in a row) I took 8mg of galantamine after about 6 hours of sleeping. I forgot to take liquid lecithin with it, or I would have. I decided that with the half life of 7 hours, and the higher dose, this would be fine. I'm thinking about a cycle of three days: 4mg, 8mg, off.

      Well, I woke up and thought nothing happened. I recalled no dreams. But almost two hours after being awake I recalled a lucid dream. Always weird to me that I'd forget a lucid dream, but I suppose it's like forgetting breakfast. My lucid dream was longer than average, but not epicly long. I'd say around 15 minutes of time as experienced. I don't actually recall all of the details that I know are there, not specifically, but I do recall several parts.

      Both times I took the galantamine, during the time I was going back to sleep I had some nice feelings and increased visions. Last night it made me laugh. For those effects alone it would be something to do. It took me longer than I would expect to get back to sleep both times, but I didn't mind. I can wake up and go back to bed by alarm several times in a night with almost no delay in sleep onset, but getting up, taking a pill, etc. etc. seems to make a big difference for me.

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      The author of a book on supplements, Yuschak (if you're taking galantamine, and you haven't read his book, "Advanced Lucid Dreaming: The Power of Supplements", you should stop and read it before continuing, it's a really excellent book that focuses on avoiding bad effects, and is very well written and interesting to boot!), suggests taking galantamine no more than once every 4 days to allow it to completely clear out of your system in between attempts to avoid increasing tolerance / becoming desensitized. Unless you're going to take Yuschak's advice on taking pircetam immediately after getting up in the morning after taking galantamine in which once every 2 days may be OK. I do not think he recommends ever taking galantamine two days in a row.

      Also, you should make sure you're taking the right kind of choline (Yuschak recommends choline bitartrate or citrate, confirm with the book, as the "primary trigger"). And galantamine without choline may be pointless.

      galantamine/choline are noted to increase alertness/awakeness, he recommends taking a tiny amount of melatonin (e.g., 0.3mg) to help with getting back to sleep.

      I'm going to try Yuschak's "primary trigger" tonight (4mg galantamine, 300mg choline bitartrate)

      edit: p.s. for me, 15 minutes of subjective time would be epicly long! I can't wait for such a long LD , to date they're about 4-5 minutes max at their longest, and only a handful of those. Although, I would much prefer to remember it all. At 5 minutes length, I almost forgot something that happened in the beginning of one LD, but recalled it while recording.
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      Hey, thanks for the feedback brother.

      You know, I do have the book you mention, have thumbed through it decently enough for the things that apply to me. Personally, I'm going to keep experimenting the way I plan. I do not take piracetam, but I do take aniracetam -- they likely have similar affects, though not necessarily. I also take noopept, which is somewhat of a racetam. The way I see it is, the half-life of galantamine is 7 hours, so even if I just round up to 8, for 3 half-lifes in a day, if I take 4mg one day, by the next day I'm down to 0.5mg in my system, so the 8mg I then take it quite a boost. And if I wait two days after that, I'm down to 1/8 of a gram (plus I rounded up on the half-life). That way I'm not really building anything up in my system. I do still see the point that, even without building things up, you can still aclimate quicker with regular exposure. I don't know this to be an issue and I'm more interested to give it a try this way. Mind you, acetylcholinesterase inhibitors and increased acetylcholine, even when administered chronically, tend to provoke dreams, so any attempt to stay primed to galantamine's affects and avoid aclimation seem to just be attempts to achieve that extra ~boost~. Even taken daily, I would suspect it still helps.

      When it comes to my choline source, that book doesn't discuss it. Liquid lecithin has many nice things about it as far as I'm concerned (what with the phospholipid content). I'm going to keep on using that for now. But I already take this daily, so I'm just planning on taking extra at night. Lots of calories though =)

      Yes, 15 minutes is definitely on the longer side, for sure. I've had lots and lots of lucid dreams over years by now, so I don't personally consider this epic, but certainly nice and not as common. I'd start to go for epic around 25 minutes. Never been lucid that long. And last night, I seemingly gained lucidity more than one, up to three times, just seemingly without pause in between.

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      OK, great, just wanted to make sure you were making informed choices.
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      Quote Originally Posted by chajadan View Post
      ...That way I'm not really building anything up in my system. I do still see the point that, even without building things up, you can still aclimate quicker with regular exposure.
      There are 2 dangers at play.

      1. Build up of the chemical
      2. Desensitizing your receptors - and this is what is gonna likely happen, if you don't give it enough time to clear out of your system completely, before taking another dose.

      Even if the amount is low, as you note, it still is acting on the receptors, they may become desensitized after not having enough break.

      But sure, it's up to you. As long as you know.

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      I'm only up to about 15 LDs over a year and a half of trying, and every one of them has been very short, 10 seconds or less, but they were all instantly remembered on waking and in the morning.
      Is it normal to have a lucid and not remember it on waking until some time later?

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      I don't know about normal, but it's happened to me a few times. It always strikes me as weird because I'm used to remembering right away. But I guess there are a few factors involved: 1) I'm an old time lucid dreamer, so the excitement of lucid dreaming isn't as obvious of a driving force to drill things into memory, so, common placeness, 2) lucid dreaming at times, like now, when my dream recall altogether is out of practice. I'm starting to keep a dream journal again (which I did a couple of times before with ~dramatic~ results), so as my recall gets better, it is likely much less likely to forget a lucid dream upon waking.
      --charlie

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      Quote Originally Posted by Goldenspark View Post
      I'm only up to about 15 LDs over a year and a half of trying, and every one of them has been very short, 10 seconds or less, but they were all instantly remembered on waking and in the morning.
      Is it normal to have a lucid and not remember it on waking until some time later?
      Perhaps by losing lucidity and then continuing to dream for a long time afterwards. Waking from a dream is the best way to remember it. I've only ever woken from LDs, never lost lucidity and continued (well, that I can remember!!!!!) so my memory of them is very strong.
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      last night I took 4mg after about 4hrs of sleep, and I'm not entirely sure if I took the liquid lecithin or not! lol, I but I think I did

      I didn't have lucid dreams, but I did dream several times. I did't have results the first time on 4mg either, plus I have recent use, but tonight I'm gonna go up to the 8mg again. Last night I had less of the hypnogogic effect as I went back to bed but 1) I started sooner after originally sleeping, 4hrs vs. 5 to 6, 2) recent use, and 3) I was much more tired and on the verge of fally right back to sleep

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      So, I did do 8mg the very next night after my last 4mg post. I'm no longer sure which night of dreams that was to report on the quality of the dreams, but I do know I didn't become lucid, nor where the dreams stellar in any quality. However, my hypnogogia upon going to sleep was much more active, like the first two times.

      I've skipped a full night now, so I could go forward with another run. I'm not entirely sure yet. I may continue my plan, or I may wait an additional evening. Personally, I'm not really expecting/needing a perfect lucid trigger. I'm happy just tryin' it out.

      --charlie

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      Well I'm certainly disappointed. The way Yuschak was writing about the practically transcendental experience of the supplement-boosted LDs. Maybe I just haven't hit on the winning dosage/combination yet. I don't want to go higher than 8mg galantamine, though. 4mg is not doing it for me (perhaps -- the second time I didn't get to sleep). I have a nice supply of galandamind, alpha gpc, choline bitartrate, and melatonin now, so I will try various combinations out from time to time.
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      I altered my original plans, and rather than skip 1 night I skipped 2 and then dosed on the 3rd. Last night I took 6mg of galantamine after about 4hrs of sleep, along with enough liquid lecithin to be about 450mg of choline. I did end up having a lucid dream. In some respects it wasn't as clear as my last post-galantamine lucid dream, but it other ways it was clearer. It started out with me hearing the voice of my one of my family members, so realistic. Mind you, I sleep in the living room and have actually woken up to that person on the couch where I heard them. But I just said, you know, this is a dream, and quickly figured out I was right. The weird thing is her voice was like a faucet. It went away, and at one point I was like, like voice seemed useful I wouldn't mind it coming back, and no less than say that is just turned on again.

      I also had a very vivid non-lucid dream at one point. Very cool, involving a game where you tossed these metal gears into the air and try to grow the circulating machine as large as possible.

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      So, as a recap, I've taken galantamine 5 times in total, in the following dosages with skipped days marked X: 4, 8, X, 4, 8, X, X, 6

      I had lucid dreams 2 out of the 5 attempts, with the first 8mg dose, and the 6mg dose after two days break.

      Also, keep in mind, I've been meditating one to two times per day, for up to an hour each time, tracking my dreams, and doing various other things throughout the day to foster my dreaming skills.

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      So I skipped two nights and did this again on the third night, which was last night. Before going to bed I took 1mg melatonin sublingual, and 200mg of l-theanine. I've been doing this most nights lately. I went to bed at 2am. I woke up at 6, took 6mg of galantamine, 15g of liquid lecithin which is 450mg of choline, and ate 3 triscuits. Went back to bed and had some nice feelings going to bed, which galantamine often does to me. As I was going to sleep I had slightly uncomfortable feelings too, like an entity was with me, but I'm so used to things like this, and what with meditation and my belief that spirits are bound to be around and we're all mainly friends, I found peace instead of letting the fear be dominant.

      Well I also had two lucid dreams. That means of the 4 times I'm taken 6mg or more of galantamine (so excluding the 4mg attempts), I've had lucid dreams 3 out of 4 times. Hey, 75% is not bad. Mind you, I am relatively very active in my lucid dreaming training at the moment, which no doubt helps. I am having lucids without galantamine, but nowhere near 75% of the time.

      Last night was nice because I carried out 2 of 3 tasks I have scheduled for in my sleep. One task is to get in tune with my brain, and try to connect with its functions, what it's doing, trying to discover some mysteries. I asked my dream self and environment about my brain, and when I looked around in the mall I was walking through, there were then these brown ballons all around the ceiling. Funny 'cause, if you think about it, balloons are many colors, but rarely brown, right?! I took it as symbology of brain cells. There was more beyond this I'm just not going into detail.

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      Nice, 75% is a great result. I need to recover from jet lag and get to good sleep and then I'll try again. Slept well last night for the first time in a while, about 7 hours, with some decently detailed recall, so I'm on the way back. I've also really turned up the effort on the daily practice, and held my ADA/RC for a many long stretches yesterday.
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      Hey, thanks for the new vocabulary: ADA. Had to look it up. Intuitively, it sounds like something I've just always done when I'm aiming for dream lucidity. I'm checking out the dreamviews tutorial on it now.

      And keep in mind, 75% is disregarding two 4mg attempts. But even with those, it's 50%, 3 out of 6.

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      I'd like to try 6mg but I only have 4mg capsules and don't feel like fiddling with opening the capsules.

      I'll try 4mg galantine + 300mg choline again and see if I can get back to sleep this time, I'll try it earlier, like 4 hours instead of 5 after bed, once I'm consistently sleeping well again. If not, then 8mg may do the trick.
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      I just checked your post and you seem to have only done 4mg. Mind you, I do not see results at 4 (or haven't so far, maybe will in the future after I adapt to it's affect). Am I right you've only taken 4mg? You keep saying it might be the dosage, and it might be the dosage. I'd take two of those packed pills to get 8mg. I bought 8mg capsules and dumped them all out as power since I have a scale. I only do 6mg for economic reasons, and just, why take more than I need, but if I had to do 4 or 8 I'd be doing 8. I take a ~lot~ of supplements, many that affect the brain. I wouldn't be at all surprised if 4mg doesn't affect me the way it might affect non-supp takers. Maybe you take some supps?
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      Mind you, of my three successes, two were on 8mg. I just did 6 to see, and it's what I'm going to do next too.

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      Yes I do keep saying "it may be the dosage." I'm trying to start low and increase the dosage only as absolutely required, as Yuschak stresses. So far, it is looking like I may require 8mg galantine. Next time I will try two of the 4mg Galantamind capsules (2 capsules includes 200mg choline dyhydrogen citrate) + 1 300mg capsule choline bitartrate, for 8mg galantamine.

      Oh, and the only other supplements I take are vitamin: a lecithin + B-family multi (the levels of the B are quite low however, includes 500mg lecithin), general multi-vitamin, and calcium. No medications of any kind.

      I take 1mg melatonin very rarely when I feel my sleep cycle needs to be "fixed," like now when I'm recovering from jet lag.

      p.s. I appreciate the suggestions! It's good to have a partner in doing these experiments!
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      Yeah you know. Since the 4mg didn't work for you and you don't have 6mg to work with, I just also want to throw out that if 8mg works for you, I think the body can be primed, such that maybe once your body recognizes its affects and/or your ability to get lucid with it grows, you may be able to revert down to 4mg and then have it work.

      I take a zillion supplements.

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      Dose definitely makes a difference. I tried 8mg last night and had many LDs and FAs through the night. I am having a week off between attempts, and then only one night "on".
      I just need to work on clarity as some were very dreamy/hazy.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Goldenspark View Post
      Dose definitely makes a difference. I tried 8mg last night and had many LDs and FAs through the night. I am having a week off between attempts, and then only one night "on".
      I just need to work on clarity as some were very dreamy/hazy.
      I have had good results with taking 8 mg Galantamind (2 capsules each of which contain 200 mg choline and some pantothenic acid)
      plus 600 mg Alpha GCP - total of 1000mg choline in two different forms

      I have tried also taking 300 mg tryptophan at bedtime, 250 mg Tyrosine after 3 or 4 hours, then the Galantamine and choline along with .3 mg yohimbe an hour and a half after that. Result: nearly two hours of lucid dreaming.

      Also using phenylpiracetam (3-400 mg) in powder form 4 to 5 hours after taking the galantine.

      Maybe this will help in your experiments
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