Thread: Timing control

Originally Posted by zelcrow

That's very true and good to keep in mind. Speaking of which, I'd like to get a little more acquainted with when my REM cycles come and go.

Great point! Do you know of any effective ways to do that? Maybe some kind of sleep monitor that records your brain waves or eye motions?

Originally Posted by Zthread

Great point! Do you know of any effective ways to do that? Maybe some kind of sleep monitor that records your brain waves or eye motions?

Sleep by android is a nice app. Tracks your sleep cycle based on your movements and draws a graph. Also has kind of lucid dreaming mode but I can't vouch for it. Works pretty well. They also have a sonar mode if you have that in your phone. I guess you can try that if have android and fitbit as recommended zelcrow if you have it.

Gooluck

Originally Posted by ZenLD

Sleep by android is a nice app. Tracks your sleep cycle based on your movements and draws a graph. Also has kind of lucid dreaming mode but I can't vouch for it. Works pretty well. They also have a sonar mode if you have that in your phone. I guess you can try that if have android and fitbit as recommended zelcrow if you have it.

Gooluck

Hmmm.... Can't seem to find that specific app. Seeing a huge number of sleep apps in the Play Store. Do you have the exact name of the app, by any chance? Is it "Sleep as Android"? Found an app called that.

Originally Posted by Zthread

Hmmm.... Can't seem to find that specific app. Seeing a huge number of sleep apps in the Play Store. Do you have the exact name of the app, by any chance? Is it "Sleep as Android"? Found an app called that.

Sleep as Android is what I use every night to track my sleep quality. It works reasonably well, and it doesn't empty the battery over night.

Here are some examples of vape products that could be used to produce fast-acting sleep-enhancing and/or dream-enhancing effects:

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Note that the Nutrovape Sleep is a disposable vaping pen. That's convenient. Wouldn't have to buy any vaping hardware to try it out.

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The above melatonin vape juices are available with or without nicotine. I'd probably get them without nicotine. The mango-guava flavored one sounds good.

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Doesn't seem like there are many theanine vape juices available, especially ones that don't contain any active ingredients other than theanine. Here's one I did find:

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Focus Master E-Liquid contains a double strength shot of L-theanine then we add to this a splash of our Tropic “Tangerine” Thunder handspun flavor for a mild hint of sweet.

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You can order it without any nicotine, which is good. You have to choose the "PG-to-VG ratio" (i.e., the propylene-glycol-to-vegetable-glycerin ratio). Not being into nicotine vaping, I don't really know what difference that'd make. Guess I could find out online. OK, here's something:

https://vaping360.com/best-e-liquids/vg-vs-pg/

Reading through that webpage, sounds like it wouldn't matter too much. Probably would just go with a 50-50 ratio.

The webpage on the Focus Master E-Liquid doesn't say how much theanine is in it. Then again, these vape-juice websites mostly don't seem to give amounts of ingredients, other than the amount of nicotine and sometimes the PG-to-VG ratio.

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Here's one that has melatonin combined with GABA:

https://voostvapor.com/dream/

Designed and formulated to support relaxation and sleep state.

INGREDIENTS: Distilled Water, Organic Flavor Extracts, Organic Kosher VG, Proprietary Nutrient Blend: Melatonin, Gamma Aminobutyric Acid (GABA)

Contains no nicotine. Doesn't say how much melatonin and GABA are in it. Still, might be worth a try.

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Originally Posted by Voldmer

Sleep as Android is what I use every night to track my sleep quality. It works reasonably well, and it doesn't empty the battery over night.

Tried the Sleep as Android app for the first time last night. Set it up with sonar to monitor my sleep stages and detect dreaming. Also had the snoring-prevention and LD-induction features on. The LD-induction feature only got activated once, about 4 hours after I went to bed. Activation of the LD feature caused the phone to start vibrating and to say "You are dreaming" a few times. Unfortunately it woke me up, rather than inducing an LD. I think next time I'll turn off the vibration for that feature.

A more interesting thing that happened is that the app seemed to alter my dreaming quite a bit. I think it was because it kept making a random clicking sound, kind of like a Geiger-counter sound. The clicking sound probably happened about 5-10 times per minute on average. It didn't keep me from going to sleep, but I think it affected my sleep and dreaming. It seemed to make me sleep more lightly. Not sure if the clicking is a feature or a bug. Anyway, it seemed to make my dreams really strange. It also gave me an incredibly scary nightmare that woke me up. Don't remember it well. I think it was something like a really creepy looking monster. I almost never have nightmares, at least not such scary ones.

Since the app made me sleep more lightly, it might be good to use it in combination with LD supps. Could make it more likely to get lucid or maybe make the LDs last longer. Also might make my LDs more bizarre, which could be interesting.

Originally Posted by Zthread

Hmmm.... Can't seem to find that specific app. Seeing a huge number of sleep apps in the Play Store. Do you have the exact name of the app, by any chance? Is it "Sleep as Android"? Found an app called that.

Yep that is the one. The one with the green android head sleeping.

Sorry haha xD

Originally Posted by ZenLD

Yep that is the one. The one with the green android head sleeping.

Sorry haha xD

OK, thanks! I read more about it in Play Store. Seems pretty sophisticated. The documentation says it tracks your motion with sonar! Any idea how it does that?!

Originally Posted by Zthread

OK, thanks! I read more about it in Play Store. Seems pretty sophisticated. The documentation says it tracks your motion with sonar! Any idea how it does that?!

I've been using Sleep as Android for my alarms for a while (I use to have my old Pebble smartwatch synced up to it for sleep tracking, but it doesn't work with my new Fitbit, so I mostly rely on Fitbit's normal sleep tracking).

That sonar feature is fairly new: basically when you go to sleep, place your phone in a position where the speaker and microphone are facing towards you in your bed. The app transmits some high-pitch frequencies that then get bounced off you and back to the microphone - so if you're moving around in bed, it can sense the movement and know that you're awake. In all honesty, I haven't had a ton of success with the sonar feature (partially because my Pixel 2 has the speaker and microphone on the front of the phone, rather than at the base, so positioning them in a way where's it's facing me is difficult), and I prefer the tried-and-true default option of accelerometer tracking (place your phone on your bed within 3 feet of you when you're sleeping, and it will track your phone's movements on the bed).

Like ZenLD mentioned, it also has a lucid dreaming mode where it plays a preset sound or voice saying "You are dreaming" when it detects you're in REM sleep. I tried it once a long time ago and I think the volume of it woke me up, so it mainly just takes some fine-tuning and seeing what works for you. Theoretically it should work pretty much like any other Externally-Induced Lucid Dream (EILD) method.

Originally Posted by spellbee2

I've been using Sleep as Android for my alarms for a while (I use to have my old Pebble smartwatch synced up to it for sleep tracking, but it doesn't work with my new Fitbit, so I mostly rely on Fitbit's normal sleep tracking).

That sonar feature is fairly new: basically when you go to sleep, place your phone in a position where the speaker and microphone are facing towards you in your bed. The app transmits some high-pitch frequencies that then get bounced off you and back to the microphone - so if you're moving around in bed, it can sense the movement and know that you're awake. In all honesty, I haven't had a ton of success with the sonar feature (partially because my Pixel 2 has the speaker and microphone on the front of the phone, rather than at the base, so positioning them in a way where's it's facing me is difficult), and I prefer the tried-and-true default option of accelerometer tracking (place your phone on your bed within 3 feet of you when you're sleeping, and it will track your phone's movements on the bed).

Like ZenLD mentioned, it also has a lucid dreaming mode where it plays a preset sound or voice saying "You are dreaming" when it detects you're in REM sleep. I tried it once a long time ago and I think the volume of it woke me up, so it mainly just takes some fine-tuning and seeing what works for you. Theoretically it should work pretty much like any other Externally-Induced Lucid Dream (EILD) method.

OK, sounds like a pretty clever app! Will give it a try.