Thread: Warning: Lucid dreams!

Originally Posted by Judge

Because religions are flawed and full of lies, the bible teaches against half the crap churches tell you (i.e. tithing, the cross, Christmas, and actually every holiday that is "Christian" is in fact pagan, Jesus would have been born sometime in August historically, the 25th of December is actually some huge Pagan leaders birthday) I have my own beliefs, I search for truth, Science actually points to a God, but they refuse it even so, because to accept it would make years and years of research and money completely wasted.

Alright, I respect that answer.

Originally Posted by LdJake

Sorry for being snobbish, or rude. but i am hoping someone gets this into the correct forum.

If your new to the site then there is a forum sub-section called beyond dreaming where you can post spiritual topics that do not have to do with experiences or induction methods.

Sorry for any confusion or raised blood pressure

Haha, no worries. I have read into the "beyond dreaming" section, this could fit in either probably, depending on your perspective, personally I have found it to be in it's appropriate place. A moderator has viewed this post, and spoke nothing of it needing to be moved, when a mod tells me to move it, I'll move it.

Originally Posted by brettWp

Alright, I respect that answer.

Lucid dreaming can open doors to evil, so be careful, and keep God at your side at all times. Don't purposely put yourself in situations with evil.

Hi, I just thought I'd pop into this thread and take a look around. Nice username, by the way. It really fits with the theme of your message.

Anyway, I can always use more demons. If you find yourself with a surplus, feel free to send them my way. I'm sure we can make a deal that benefits both of us.

Originally Posted by Judge

I don't expect you to think so, we all have our own beliefs, and it being my mother, and me being, not christian, but a believer in god, I believe this to be true, and just wanted to put an input, (Don't take this the wrong way) Generally demons will not attack par say, an individual who is not close to God, and me(and my mom) being close to God, we are a threat to them, so they are more likely to actually bother us . (just my belief)

How does this make sense? Wouldn't God protect you? If you are close to God and love Him, then He loves you and would help you out with your 'demon problems.' It honestly feels like you're just trying to make excuses to yourself to make yourself believe that this is true. And about all your hallucinations, if you really did see those, wouldn't you just consider that day dreaming? I have some pretty vivid day dreams, and since you supposedly know about lucid dreaming you probably know about day dreams too.

And you are religious. If you believe that there is a higher power, you are religious. Religion has to do with faith, and you obviously have faith that there is a god.

Originally Posted by Judge

Because religions are flawed and full of lies, the bible teaches against half the crap churches tell you (i.e. tithing, the cross, Christmas, and actually every holiday that is "Christian" is in fact pagan, Jesus would have been born sometime in August historically, the 25th of December is actually some huge Pagan leaders birthday) I have my own beliefs, I search for truth, Science actually points to a God, but they refuse it even so, because to accept it would make years and years of research and money completely wasted.

How does the Bible teach against these things? I believe tithing is an ancient tradition, but tithing is mentioned in the Bible. What are the churches teaching about the cross that's not in the Bible? No, Christmas is not the day Christ was born. It's the day Christ's birth is celebrated. And it's not the day a pagan leader was born... it was the day the Romans celebrated the Roman god of the sun's power. Get your facts straight before you think you can point out inconsistencies in something. Furthermore, if science points to a God, then you mean it points to a Creator. Since obviously evolution isn't real and people just hold on to it as a religion basically, you are probably right in assuming this. Why would the Creator not want to be glorified by His creations? This is the idea of religion. You have a very strange and unstructured system of beliefs.

Originally Posted by Samael

Hi, I just thought I'd pop into this thread and take a look around. Nice username, by the way. It really fits with the theme of your message.

Anyway, I can always use more demons. If you find yourself with a surplus, feel free to send them my way. I'm sure we can make a deal that benefits both of us.

Hahaha, Idk if your trying to be a smart ass or what, but I found that rather funny my user name is my actual name,
but you have a point there. I won't send demons your way, sorry, but that'd be totally against my morals

Originally Posted by Zelgius

How does this make sense? Wouldn't God protect you? If you are close to God and love Him, then He loves you and would help you out with your 'demon problems.' It honestly feels like you're just trying to make excuses to yourself to make yourself believe that this is true. And about all your hallucinations, if you really did see those, wouldn't you just consider that day dreaming? I have some pretty vivid day dreams, and since you supposedly know about lucid dreaming you probably know about day dreams too.

And you are religious. If you believe that there is a higher power, you are religious. Religion has to do with faith, and you obviously have faith that there is a god.

Yes God would, and does protect us, but if you go challenging Demons and other evils, you are going in a wrong direction, we have never been harmed by any Demons, just seen, and heard, because God protects us. Yes you can cast them out, but the Bible states, cast one out, and seven more shall replace it. It sounds like you are in great denial of the fact that Earth is the Devils playground, we are in constant spiritual battle here. But with god at your side you will always prevail. And my point as far as the "Religion" thing is, I have no set religion, most people hear the word religion and expect you to have a word for yours, I don't, I believe in God, but there is no "Religion" that will teach you the truth, so I deny that word.

Eh, but Samael likes demons! You shouldn't be so selfish and give her some. I mean, if the other person won't mind, whats the damage?

ill take a few demon monkeys off your back, if theyre weighing you down to much.

"Trying"? I've never felt so insulted. In fact, you may have missed the joke.

I am one of Dreamviews' resident prima donna demonic personae, so naturally I'm attracted to any and all discussions involving... whatever it is you were talking about. Seriously, I can use some more demons. I'm short a few recruits for my army.

Originally Posted by Judge

Yes God would, and does protect us, but if you go challenging Demons and other evils, you are going in a wrong direction, we have never been harmed by any Demons, just seen, and heard, because God protects us. Yes you can cast them out, but the Bible states, cast one out, and seven more shall replace it. It sounds like you are in great denial of the fact that Earth is the Devils playground, we are in constant spiritual battle here. But with god at your side you will always prevail. And my point as far as the "Religion" thing is, I have no set religion, most people hear the word religion and expect you to have a word for yours, I don't, I believe in God, but there is no "Religion" that will teach you the truth, so I deny that word.

No, you're paraphrasing. The Bible states that if you cast one out, and do not replace it with good, then seven more will replace it. I also feel that you are misinterpreting this, but let's not go into great detail. I very much know that the earth is the devil's playground, but on a spiritual level. Demons don't possess people. Demons are temptations and sins. But they're not as you're implying, that a man with a pitchfork is sending little red imps at people as a curse.

Originally Posted by Zelgius

How does the Bible teach against these things? I believe tithing is an ancient tradition, but tithing is mentioned in the Bible. What are the churches teaching about the cross that's not in the Bible? No, Christmas is not the day Christ was born. It's the day Christ's birth is celebrated. And it's not the day a pagan leader was born... it was the day the Romans celebrated the Roman god of the sun's power. Get your facts straight before you think you can point out inconsistencies in something. Furthermore, if science points to a God, then you mean it points to a Creator. Since obviously evolution isn't real and people just hold on to it as a religion basically, you are probably right in assuming this. Why would the Creator not want to be glorified by His creations? This is the idea of religion. You have a very strange and unstructured system of beliefs.

In the bible, the men who collected Tithings were seperated, and it was said you were no longer to give you money by a collection, but to give it to the poor directly(you can call it tithing, but it's not the same as the original bases is all my point was), the original word is tree in the Bible(but the new international version, which the company that owns that version is owned by a satanist, has it changed to crucifix, the cross was sewn into pagan priests’ costumes, worn by vestal virgins, and adorned pagan temples, it is in no way related to the real Jesus Christ, but to Nimrod, and his faithful worshipers.) Now as far as Christmas In ancient Babylon, the feast of the Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast. And I am not assuming any of this, scientists admit finding a God energy, the thing that holds everything together, and that they have no understanding of it what so ever. You should really get your facts straight before you go blabbering about, my beliefs are very structured, read the Bible every once and a while: Jeremiah 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. 3* For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. 4* They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. The idea of Religion is fine, it's how the religions become clouded and mislead that is wrong with them, like the idea of Socialism, both fail in the end because man is flawed,though both great ideas. I am a truth seeker, and a follower of the real God, and the real Christ.

Originally Posted by LdJake

ill take a few demon monkeys off your back, if theyre weighing you down to much.

I am not having any trouble with Demons, I am trying to help out people who would like to not have demon problems in their life.

Psst! You're allowed to reply to more than one person in the same post!

Originally Posted by Judge

In the bible, the men who collected Tithings were seperated, and it was said you were no longer to give you money by a collection, but to give it to the poor directly(you can call it tithing, but it's not the same as the original bases is all my point was), the original word is tree in the Bible(but the new international version, which the company that owns that version is owned by a satanist, has it changed to crucifix, the cross was sewn into pagan priests’ costumes, worn by vestal virgins, and adorned pagan temples, it is in no way related to the real Jesus Christ, but to Nimrod, and his faithful worshipers.) Now as far as Christmas In ancient Babylon, the feast of the Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast. And I am not assuming any of this, scientists admit finding a God energy, the thing that holds everything together, and that they have no understanding of it what so ever. You should really get your facts straight before you go blabbering about, my beliefs are very structured, read the Bible every once and a while: Jeremiah 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. 3* For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. 4* They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. The idea of Religion is fine, it's how the religions become clouded and mislead that is wrong with them, like the idea of Socialism, both fail in the end because man is flawed,though both great ideas. I am a truth seeker, and a follower of the real God, and the real Christ.

Good job you looked it up on wikipedia! I can tell since your new facts are inconsistent with what you had said earlier. Anyways, where in the world did you hear that the person who owns the NIV translation is a satanist? Certainly the idea that Christ was crucified on a CROSS came about before the NIV. The Romans CRUCIFIED people on a CRUCIFIX.... That must be the outrageous reason why we think he must have been crucified on a cross. You still have yet to provide an argument with any structure and forethought into it.

Originally Posted by Zelgius

No, you're paraphrasing. The Bible states that if you cast one out, and do not replace it with good, then seven more will replace it. I also feel that you are misinterpreting this, but let's not go into great detail. I very much know that the earth is the devil's playground, but on a spiritual level. Demons don't possess people. Demons are temptations and sins. But they're not as you're implying, that a man with a pitchfork is sending little red imps at people as a curse.

You must read the New international Bible... I said nothing about Demons possessing people, and I did not imply them to be so, you are putting words in my mouth, and being quiet ridiculous if I might add. The Devil is were temptation comes from, and he has his fallen angels who are his loyal servants, and walk about the Earth spiritually, striking fear into those who might be a threat to them, and planting little ideas in peoples heads.

I don't read the NIV, I actually joke around saying that its the national idiots version

Originally Posted by Samael

"Trying"? I've never felt so insulted. In fact, you may have missed the joke.

I am one of Dreamviews' resident prima donna demonic personae, so naturally I'm attracted to any and all discussions involving... whatever it is you were talking about. Seriously, I can use some more demons. I'm short a few recruits for my army.

Well that's all fine and dandy, you enjoy your time on Earth, but I won't be apart of what ever you may, or may not have going on.

Hey, a little idea has been implanted in my brain. How about we all enjoy life to its fullest potential, and explore the boundaries of the universe even beyond the limits we've placed upon ourselves? Cheers.

Originally Posted by Judge

Some people don't seem to grasp the full concept of lucid dreaming, though surely no one ever will, at least not in this lifetime. Lucid dreaming can open doors to evil, so be careful, and keep God at your side at all times. Don't purposely put yourself in situations with evil. So long as you keep it as a dream, and don't try and create real danger to fight off you are fine. By this I mean don't try and summon evil spirits or "actual people", and don't trust anyone/thing. Summoning a dream battle is perfectly fine, so long as you just keep it as that, a dream battle, and recognize these "people" you summon, to just be dream illusions, not the actual person. Though you will at times be confronted with real evil, you will recognize the difference trust me, and all you can do if you are confronted by real evil is call upon God, and cast it out of your mind, and your home in his name. Lucid dreaming is completely appropriate(in my opinion) so long as you don't take it too far, keep it a dream, don't try to make a reality of it. Some people say they have Holy figures come to them and force them to do things and go places, no true holy figure would force you to do something, if you are confronted by a "holy' figure, question them, ask who is there god? If they ignore the question, or give unclear responses they are not truly holy. It is true God speaks to people through Lucid dreams, but make sure you know it is God, and don't try to get to God through a dream, you will only find an evil imitation, trying to deceive you and implant wrong ideas in your mind, they will tempt you with knowledge, or what ever it is you seek for, be smart and keep your dreams in an appropriate state. I wouldn't trust a "dream guide", deceit is a form of witchcraft(it's not what people commonly presume with fire and potions and blahhh), and this "dream guide" could very likely be a demon deceiving you, I understand people say it's your subconscious, and all this other crap, but since when is it a good idea to take on information without question? Don't go robbing people, and murdering innocent victims, it opens doors to things you don't want to open doors to. Like it or not, Lucid dreams are a spiritual happening. God uses them to speak to people, so when you play with them, be careful, because it is a spiritual realm. This is bigger than all of us. It's not that they can't be used for good, you can boost confidence, and have all sorts of appropriate fun, morals should not be broken, I don't care what anyone tells you about lucid dreaming. You don't know who your getting your info from, or what their agenda is. Just be careful people, can't say if you end up having a lot of spiritual problems I didn't warn you. ( OFF TOPIC: people keep considering this to be from a religious standpoint, don't mind my ocd about everyone getting this right, but I am not "Religious" par say, I don't believe In religion, I believe in God, and search for the truth religions keep locked up.)

i dont want to sound rude but when was the last time you went to see a doctor?

Originally Posted by Zelgius

Good job you looked it up on wikipedia! I can tell since your new facts are inconsistent with what you had said earlier. Anyways, where in the world did you hear that the person who owns the NIV translation is a satanist? Certainly the idea that Christ was crucified on a CROSS came about before the NIV. The Romans CRUCIFIED people on a CRUCIFIX.... That must be the outrageous reason why we think he must have been crucified on a cross. You still have yet to provide an argument with any structure and forethought into it.

The KJV says he was crucified on a tree, and is the most accurate version off the Bible you will find, though all are a little off. And I am completely aware the idea came before then, they just made this bible to better deceive the people. Nothing I said contradicted, your a moron obviously if you think that it did, or simply brain washed like most church goers are. I don't remember were all this came from, but I'm not an idiot, wikipedia is greatly off on most things... I haven't been reading on much of this anymore, cuz mainly I am just reading the bible, researching online gets old. You believe what you want dude, I have my beliefs, you have yours.

So, you're not religious because you're not dogmatic, but your version is the right one; screw everybody else? I'm sensing some inconsistencies here.

Ok, lets get this straight, so the newbies won't be scaried off...

First of all, there is no known connection between dreaming and any other thing but your head, this spiritual plane and stuff are pretty much made up.

Secondly, no, if you lucid dream you will not encounter demons. That's what some people from some religions are brainwashed to do. Just think about it, demons (in this case) were invented by the Church to scare people in the middle ages. Only the Christianity religion has a definition of a demon, even though other religions also have some not-so-classical demon-like creatures.

Obviously, you don't need to be religious to dream about them, after all, we are always in contact with such stories.

These holly creature meeting thing works on religious people just like talking to a young child before it sleeps! Try it sometime! Just keep saying to some little kid that when he sleeps he goes into the candy plane realm that looks like reality and that he might meet the o' Great Salsage Monster who lives under beds and inside wardbrobes. He is bound to dream about it sooner or later and not just once but other times too!

So next time you lucid dream, beware of the o' Great Salsage Monster, because he might be there to try and deceive you! And you DO NOT want to have problems with the candy plance ream...

Peace!

pagans celebrate december 25th because its the rebirth of the sun
the 3 days or whatever before the 25th the sun moves down in the sky,
stops then moves back up in a cross sort of shape
they call it the crucifixion/rebirth w.e of the sun

Originally Posted by Samael

So, you're not religious because you're not dogmatic, but your version is the right one; screw everybody else? I'm sensing some inconsistencies here.

I never said that. And sure my point on I am not religious can be tossed as ignorant, I just meant as far as I don't believe in any religions that are existent. That is all I meant by that, saying I don't believe in Religion is just an easier way of saying it, it's annoying explaining every little detail of everything you say over and over and over. Yall can call for inconsistencies, do as you wish, IDGAF, I have my beliefs, you all have your own, quit badgering me simply because I don't agree with you.

Oh, but you're so much fun to badger.

i do agree with the fact that there is a difference between believing in god and believing in religion
you can very well believe in god or any sort of higher being and not belong to a religion