inb4 this thread's going to get huge. |
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I will attempt it because it's pretty much part of my duty. |
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Last edited by knight31; 05-06-2013 at 12:58 PM.
inb4 this thread's going to get huge. |
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I find this video the answer for these kinds of threads. |
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Hey Dianeva, |
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That video makes a claim that there is no Authority in saying that there is The Lord Jesus Christ. However the bible is written testimony of it. So it's not like this is not based on something. If one doesn't believe in that testimony, that's their decision, it's not a decision I would endorse however since they lose eternal inheritance in heaven, which is quite sad if there was a way you could have had more rewards, or even to end up in hell. |
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I think you answered your own question. A atheist doesn't believe in god, so he would never ask him self why god allows suffering. The only reason any atheist here might consider that question, is because you asked it. There isn't really any need to explain suffering. We have neurons in our brain that pick of senses of touch that allow us to interact with the world around us and they allow us to feel pain so that we can hopefully avoid things that are damaging our bodies. For an example, our brain tells us fire is hot so that we can pull our hand away and avoid being burned. |
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Most atheists aren't so because they are in a moral dilemma as to why god would "allow suffering", they became atheists because of the uncertainty revolving god. It isn't the fact that god may allow for human suffering but the fact that no one can truly explain why he would. To be an atheist isn't to strongly oppose the view of a theist, it's just a disbelief in god. Many atheists are in fact really agnostic but just try to stay away from large organized religions. |
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So an atheist does whatever they want because neurons in their brain give them physical senses of things, and then we are dead. So have fun before dieing basically. If you were to ask how DNA or the biological body works to create your consciousness and life however, or what meaning your life or your existence essentially was worth then you would run into a bit of a problem because you don't have answers, or the motivation to find any answers, you just believe you will be dead. |
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Hey. Thanks for bringing stuff up and for engaging in conversation. Your comments make sense from your end, but I think you've misunderstood a few of the things I said, so I'm going to clarify them. |
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Well it's not entirely true that it couldn't be explained or that one couldn't realize a reason. For instance if someone wanted to commit evil, and god couldn't let them commit any evil. How would god even judge them correctly at the end of it? If he kept stopping them from their own free choice he could never even judge them according to their deeds. |
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Why do you think God would be so petty as to bar someone from Heaven and banish them to the depths of Hell, simply for not believing in Him? I wouldn't do that. My neighbor's pretty high up there on the racist scale, he likens me to scum. Yet I still shovel the guys driveway when it snows since he's too old to do it on his own. I don't lash out at him, I help him because he needs it. Now if I can manage to do this without getting butthurt, surely a higher power would be able to take the high road and let non-believers into Heaven as well, no? |
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Last edited by GavinGill; 05-06-2013 at 12:28 AM.
*sigh* religion is overrated in my opinion, you don't need religion to tell you what to do or need it in order to have morals plain & simple. people have their own way of living, me i'm not an atheist but my beliefs are on the LHP. |
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Well, i' m not atheist, I' m not christian or whatever either; I' m just that one kind of guy who doesn' t know (or care, I' m going straight to hell anyways) ... BUT ... |
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Last edited by Higat; 05-06-2013 at 12:41 AM.
Hey Dianeva your welcome. |
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That isn't true, a lot of us look for answers. Many people and especially scientist have a strong desire to find all the answers of the world and figure out how and why everything works and I am among them. If we lack answers, we look for the answers. People who believe in a religion don't look for answers, they just make them up. In fact people who believe in religions are the ones who often have no will to find the truth and learn more of what really causes the world to work. They have their made up answers that explain things, so they don't bother seeking the real answers. |
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Gavingill, |
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Last edited by knight31; 05-06-2013 at 01:00 AM.
I think it's worth pointing out here that you keep using the Pascal's Wager argument, knight31. It basically states that between theists and atheists, atheists have everything to lose if they are wrong in their opinions, whereas theists are safe in whatever case. This argument was thoroughly debunked a long time ago. Firstly, the question must be asked, how is one to know which religion is the true religion? There have been thousands of religions throughout history, with thousands of different interpretations of God/gods and the afterlife, many of which contradict each other. If an atheist were to simply pick one doctrine out of the many and follow that particular set of beliefs, there is a distinct possibility that they could have chosen wrong. If I choose to adopt Christianity as my religion and I later find out that Islam happens to be the one true religion, then I'm just as screwed as any atheist. Furthermore, Pascal's Wager rests on the assumption that the God or gods in charge wouldn't be able to tell that I'm just following their religion out of self-preservation and not true belief. Pretending to believe a certain doctrine is entirely different from truly believing that doctrine, and thus would surely not be counted as belief at all by an all-knowing deity. |
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You will actually be proved wrong about your statements here in the second coming. So you should think carefully what you say as it's all being recorded. |
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Last edited by gab; 05-06-2013 at 05:35 PM. Reason: posts merged
The bible is the only historical testimony to be able to accurately predict the birth of Jesus Christ and crucifiction before it happened. It is the only testimony that foretold of the re-construction of Israel. The book contains 30% prophecy and is clearly stated that it is the word of god. |
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Last edited by knight31; 05-06-2013 at 01:31 AM.
Well, this is a shame. Judging from your replies in this thread, it's clear you're either trolling or so totally set in your beliefs that no rational argument is going to convince you otherwise. In either case, I see continuing this debate as a waste of time. So, in the words of the dragons... |
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me? lol, tbh i don't really care much for religion, as long as i'm happy & nobody gets hurt i'm good! but if i get a chance to mess around with a few fellows then why not? |
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Without love of doing good, What does one have left? |
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Last edited by 101Volts; 05-06-2013 at 03:24 AM.
Knight, you're using a fear based method to try to scare atheists into believing God. The argument 'believe in God to avoid an eternity of suffering' just doesn't work. You aren't explaining why any God would send a human into eternal suffering for not realizing a truth they can't see. You aren't explaining why an atheist should be punished for not accepting the bible-with which we know was put together and edited by an organization that wanted power. |
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Last edited by juroara; 05-06-2013 at 03:13 AM.
a thousand likes for juroara!!!!!!!! |
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