• Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views




    Results 1 to 7 of 7
    Like Tree4Likes
    • 1 Post By ThreeCat
    • 2 Post By NyxCC
    • 1 Post By snoop

    Thread: Supressing the amygdala

    1. #1
      Member
      Join Date
      Mar 2015
      LD Count
      250+
      Gender
      Location
      Behind you!
      Posts
      35
      Likes
      12

      Supressing the amygdala

      From Science of Dreaming - Section 2 - Robert J Hoss


      "Reports using PET scans indicated a greater sense of control over the dream (lucidity) when

      the medial frontal cortex (involved in consciousness) was active, and a greater sense of the

      dream being out of control when the amygdala (involved in emotional processing) was more

      active."


      I'm wondered if that would mean suppressing the amygdala in some way, would be a viable way

      to gain more LD control (as opposed to the more common approach of increasing awareness).

      Apparently Propranolol can suppress the amygdala -
      Erasing Fear with Propranolol | Brain Blogger

      And then found this -
      *Link Removed*


      But I, and I'm sure most people interested, would like a more common supplement to do the same suppressing trick as propranolol.. Thoughts?
      Last edited by anderj101; 08-11-2015 at 07:16 PM. Reason: Removed commercial link

    2. #2
      Nine Lives in Theory Achievements:
      Created Dream Journal Made lots of Friends on DV Referrer Bronze Tagger First Class 1000 Hall Points 3 years registered
      ThreeCat's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jun 2014
      Gender
      Posts
      1,204
      Likes
      1839
      DJ Entries
      59
      Here's my question: if Galantamine already works well for inducing a lucid dream, then why dump Propranolol in on top of it? Is it merely as a confidence boost? I have a feeling that if someone is not getting lucid after trying Galantamine multiple times, then they need to work on their form a bit, because the drug is not the issue. It's a highly effective tool. I can see Propranolol being helpful for dream control, as it suppresses the fear centers, but otherwise it doesn't seem like that big of a deal. Also, comparing taking G and this other drug to "flipping" sort of sketches me out

      Mucuna pruriens in low doses (according to Thomas Yuschak) can increase confidence in a lucid dream (and therefore control) by artificially raising dopamine levels. Is your primary concern lucidity or dream control?
      NyxCC likes this.

    3. #3
      learning Conscience's Avatar
      Join Date
      Apr 2014
      LD Count
      2
      Gender
      Posts
      116
      Likes
      67
      DJ Entries
      17
      what do you mean by "more common"?

      you're basically looking for a beta blocker I guess

      So the amygdala is part of the limbic system. It's not only involved with fear and aggression (fight or flight), but also your sex drive
      a beta blocker blocks your receptors for (nor-)adrenalin aka (nor-)epinephrin
      this mostly decreases your blood pressure, which is a good thing for people who don't have too low blood pressure anyway

      I'm not sure if your hypothesis is right, because the amygdala is also important for vigilance, focus and attention, which - to me - sound like things you would need for LDing


      I wouldn't consider taking drugs if you don't really need them anyway. If you got anxiety and high blood pressure, sure, take your beta blockers, but if your life is A-okay and all you're looking for is a nice adventure in your dreams, I wouldn't take drugs.
      after all, it still goes through your system, effects your liver during the first-pass metabolism and ultimately changes your whole body

    4. #4
      Member
      Join Date
      Mar 2015
      LD Count
      250+
      Gender
      Location
      Behind you!
      Posts
      35
      Likes
      12
      Thanks for the quick replies, both.
      But I'm already pretty well set in regards to both amount of LDs and control in them, but my interest got stirred by this part of the quote -

      ".. and a greater sense of the dream being out of control when the amygdala (involved in emotional processing) was more active."

      Because although I have read both papers from Yuschak, I didn't recall him mentioning Mucuna as a source of control (thanks ThreeCat), so I couldn't for the life of me think of a single supplement that promised increased control (as opposed to the dozen or so that increases chances of lucidity) until now.

      @Conscience
      My idea of 'more common' is a none prescription supplement ie. something more readily available like a food or drink.

    5. #5
      Dream Guide Achievements:
      Veteran Second Class 5000 Hall Points Populated Wall Referrer Bronze Tagger First Class Made lots of Friends on DV Vivid Dream Journal
      NyxCC's Avatar
      Join Date
      Mar 2013
      LD Count
      -190
      Posts
      3,030
      Likes
      5231
      DJ Entries
      202
      Quote Originally Posted by RiftMeUp View Post
      Thanks for the quick replies, both.
      But I'm already pretty well set in regards to both amount of LDs and control in them, but my interest got stirred by this part of the quote -

      ".. and a greater sense of the dream being out of control when the amygdala (involved in emotional processing) was more active."

      Because although I have read both papers from Yuschak, I didn't recall him mentioning Mucuna as a source of control (thanks ThreeCat), so I couldn't for the life of me think of a single supplement that promised increased control (as opposed to the dozen or so that increases chances of lucidity) until now.

      @Conscience
      My idea of 'more common' is a none prescription supplement ie. something more readily available like a food or drink.
      I can see how that parallels with real life situtations. If your anger or fear take over you are not in control of yourself and your actions. The same applies to dreaming. You can have a lucid dream but if you are paralized by fear of, say, scary DCs attacking you, you are less likely to be able to direct their actions the way you would prefer. I really don't think taking a drug is the way to resolve this issue, really.

      Lucid dreaming is the act of taking control over the dream situation and I don't mean mere manipulation. This has to be a conscious act, an act of realizing, learning, and doing. You have to be aware of what is going on, that there is nothing to be afraid of (for example), you have to understand the process of how this happens precisely, how all your inner elements fit together to result in the dream scene you are experiencing and finally you have to act upon those realizations. By practicing this you would develop much more than you would from taking an anxiety pill. And the control you would gain wouldn't just be dream control, the knowledge that you gain from this can ultimately be applied to anything in real life.
      Last edited by NyxCC; 08-11-2015 at 06:53 PM.
      ThreeCat and Patience108 like this.
      Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is.



    6. #6
      Member Achievements:
      1000 Hall Points Referrer Bronze Veteran First Class Tagger Second Class Made lots of Friends on DV
      snoop's Avatar
      Join Date
      May 2008
      LD Count
      300+
      Gender
      Location
      Indiana
      Posts
      1,711
      Likes
      1207
      The amygdala causes quick emotional reactions to things, usually negative and that of fear. The way to suppress it is to increase activity in the frontal lobes and prefrontal cortex. These lobes are "newer" than they amygdala. Therein lies the challenge. The frontal lobe and PFC's position in the brain make it take longer for these signals to be responded to than it does for the amygdala, which is near the center of the brain. However, when you use logic to overcome your fears, you can train your brain to bypass signals sent from the amygdala. For instance, if storms used to scare you as a child, but now you like it when it storms, you have accomplished this. You know logically that if you are inside, you will be fine, and that the thunder is just a violent expansion of air from being superheated by electricity (lightning).

      So, in a dream, your amygdala is more active if you are having a nightmare or you simply are not lucid. But if you are lucid and perform mental tasks that incorporate logic, like doing math problems or even narrating your LD in your head by saying what is happening as it is happening, you probably are activating the frontal lobes more, which in turn is going to cause less activity in the amygdala.
      NyxCC likes this.

    7. #7
      Member
      Join Date
      Aug 2014
      Gender
      Posts
      130
      Likes
      69
      I'm quite surprised meditation isn't mentioned in this topic. One of the greater long-term benefits of (mindfulness) meditation includes the shrinking of the amygdala, and at the same time, the pre-frontal cortex grows in size. This was shown on MRI scans after subjects went through an 8-week mindfulness course.

      So you don't need stuff like Propranol, with meditation you will physically change your brain, and at the same time you will gain more awareness, which is ofcourse helpful for getting lucid.

      The research: PLOS ONE: Dispositional Mindfulness Co-Varies with Smaller Amygdala and Caudate Volumes in Community Adults
      If you don't like to read through the whole research: What Does Mindfulness Meditation Do to Your Brain? - Guest Blog - Scientific American Blog Network

    Similar Threads

    1. Replies: 5
      Last Post: 08-31-2014, 12:34 PM
    2. Replies: 150
      Last Post: 05-22-2013, 01:11 PM
    3. Antidepressants having permanent REM-supressing effects?
      By Puffin in forum Wake Initiated Lucid Dreams (WILD)
      Replies: 6
      Last Post: 10-02-2011, 05:39 AM
    4. Replies: 1
      Last Post: 08-08-2010, 09:41 AM
    5. Clicking your Amygdala
      By Vegan in forum Beyond Dreaming
      Replies: 25
      Last Post: 12-08-2008, 04:24 PM

    Bookmarks

    Posting Permissions

    • You may not post new threads
    • You may not post replies
    • You may not post attachments
    • You may not edit your posts
    •