Thread: NASA to Make Major Announcement About Search for Alien Life Today @ 2pm

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I dunno about you, but I'm intrigued.

Definitive proof that no god exists.

Just close down R/S. It's over.

Originally Posted by Marvo

Definitive proof that no god exists.

Just close down R/S. It's over.

That last bit has me intrested.

And that's without counting yesterday's announcement on the discovery of a massive number of red dwarf stars, which may harbor a trillion Earths, dramatically increasing our chances of finding extraterrestrial life. [NOS—In Dutch]

You know what would be awesome? use the lense we have today for looking into space, then use a small thing with the same lense and we can see even further, use the same lense again, see even further, etc. Of course it wont work or it would have been done before, and i'm sure the things they throw out there are much better.

Originally Posted by Marvo

Definitive proof that no god exists.

Just close down R/S. It's over.

That's amazing! Just the other month I was reading an article where the scientists were saying they might find life that utilises arsenic instead of phosphorous!
Crazy....

Gotta read the rest of these articles now lol

I'm among a strange group of people who believe that the idea that "mankind isn't ready for aliens, and therefore any and all discovery should be kept secret for now" is an idea created and perpetuated by the government. Kinda like the idea that Americans aren't ready to know about the truth of their own government and its involvement in other countries, therefore we need an un-free media. At least that's my evidence that government is lying about aliens, it lies about everything else.

There are 195 independent countries (and governments) in the world, the US can't speak for everybody.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

There are 195 independent countries (and governments) in the world, the US can't speak for everybody.

About 192 of those countries are members of the United Nations. It is conceivable that - if the United Nations, as a whole, decides that the general populace isn't ready for such information - the general populace would not have ample/confirmed/unquestionable knowledge of such information. The U.S., in effect, would not be speaking for everybody.

Nice!

It's like I've been saying all along: Limiting the search to Earth-like conditions (though probably the most logical way to go about it) was prolonging the process. Hehe.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Nice!

It's like I've been saying all along: Limiting the search to Earth-like conditions (though probably the most logical way to go about it) was prolonging the process. Hehe.

I don't think they ever rejected the idea, it's just hard to search for something you don't know what looks like, especially when you're searching on other planets and not just the bottom of poisonous lakes.

Maybe it's a way to create space monkeys that shoot lazer beams out of there eyes that would be SWEET!

If true, this is absolutely huge.

The relevance is that we previously had no idea how probable abiogenesis was. It could have been the case that DNA (and RNA) is the only possible spontaneously forming replicating information carrier, and if this were the case then there were absolutely no limits to how improbable life was, as it would mean that a very specific set of circumstances have to conspire together to make a life-sustaining planet.

However, if there are other potential life molecules with relatively different chemistries on this planet, that vastly increases the probability that life is a common occurrence. Further research would have to be done on its genealogy though, because it could be the case that DNA needs to precede it... but even if this were the case, the fact such a different chemistry can exist is very promising. Life could even be elsewhere in our solar system; this discovery could finally give impetus to the proposed missions for checking out if the various potential bodies in the universe have life on them. I think any country would be keen to be the one to do such a monumental thing.

This really doesn't 'disprove God' though. Such statements just sound arrogant and are also very philosophically naive.

Someone post a recap of what is said. I wont get anything they say, i don't understand science that great.

edit- Please stop talking about god, this is about science, not religion ffs.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

Someone post a recap of what is said. I wont get anything they say, i don't understand science that great.

Basically, they have found a microbe in California that has the ability to substitute a crucial, basic element required for life, with another element on the periodic table. All life as we know it is based on 6 basic elements, one of those being Phosphorus. This microbe is able to substitute that element by using Arsenic, which is an element that is extremely toxic to all life that has been known to science. This implies that the types of conditions that life can grow within are vastly more numerous than science has previously taught. It opens the door to the possibility that there may even be life within our solar system.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Basically, they have found a microbe in California that has the ability to substitute a crucial, basic element required for life, with another element on the periodic table. All life as we know it is based on 6 basic elements, one of those being Phosphorus. This microbe is able to substitute that element by using Arsenic, which is an element that is extremely toxic to all life that has been known to science. This implies that the types of conditions that life can grow within are vastly more numerous than science has previously taught. It opens the door to the possibility that there may even be life within our solar system.

Thanks. See? i still don't get it. i flunked science so hard i did not go past science grade 9.

'Taught' or 'thought'?

Although, really, it didn't do either. The stance has always been 'we don't know'.

Originally Posted by Xei

'Taught' or 'thought'?

Originally Posted by Xei

Although, really, it didn't do either. The stance has always been 'we don't know'.

Well, yeah, but the search was pointed in the direction of examining Earth-like conditions first, because they were most likely to harbor life. Was it not? This significantly skews that line of thought, doesn't it?

As fascinating as this discovery is, I was hoping for something a little more...extraterrestrial. Someday...

Originally Posted by Aquanina

As fascinating as this discovery is, I was hoping for something a little more...extraterrestrial. Someday...

Yeah me too . This is pretty cool but if NASA is like "BIG ANNOUNCEMENT TODAY ABOUT ALIENS", anything short of aliens is a let down.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

As fascinating as this discovery is, I was hoping for something a little more...extraterrestrial. Someday...

We all wish but the truth is the government will not allow them to say that there is. It'll be all hush hush. Not to sound all crazy about conspiricys but that's the truth. It's gonna be a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time before we know of this.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

We all wish but the truth is the government will not allow them to say that there is. It'll be all hush hush. Not to sound all crazy about conspiricys but that's the truth. It's gonna be a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time before we know of this.

"The government". Who's government?

Originally Posted by Spartiate

"The government". Who's government?

The one living in my tin foil hat.


Probably all governments.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

We all wish but the truth is the government will not allow them to say that there is. It'll be all hush hush. Not to sound all crazy about conspiricys but that's the truth. It's gonna be a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time before we know of this.

If aliens show up on planet Earth with the intention of revealing them selves, I don't think they'll let a bunch of governments get in their way.

Originally Posted by Marvo

If aliens show up on planet Earth with the intention of revealing them selves, I don't think they'll let a bunch of governments get in their way.

I mean in a way where Nasa or w/e discover them in the universe. It will be all hush hush.

WE FOUND ALIENS ON MARS!

no you didnt, it was a rock on the planet.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

I mean in a way where Nasa or w/e discover them in the universe. It will be all hush hush.

WE FOUND ALIENS ON MARS!

no you didnt, it was a rock on the planet.

Why would they hide it?

I bet this raises a thousand questions for biologists everywhere. How does it substitute arsenic in place of phosphorous? What's the actual mechanism that determines what elements to use for constructing it's DNA and other vital molecules?