Quote Originally Posted by dajo View Post
Wow, Kromoh, for someone who claims to have experienced the ego-death, yours seem to have developed quite well.

no offense

edit.: By the way, that's not something you 'teach'...
Lol then you actually understand nothing about ego loss. You know nothing about it, so shut up. As you said yourself, this cannot be taught, so I won't even mind explaining what my ego has to do with my belief, because you will not understand it. Also, I already told O that you cannot teach it, but he has been challenging this from the beginning. Perhaps you should try to tell him.

Quote Originally Posted by Xei View Post
Thanks for the link.

What you have to understand is that in physics, the only thing we ever really do is make models to match observation.

Theories like relativity and Newtonian mechanics both have ranges is which they apply; Newton's apply to 'humanish' scales and Einstein's to 'cosmological' scales. It's just not possible for these models to be wrong; they are clearly observed via experiment.

Any quantum effect which explicitly doesn't work in the framework of relativity doesn't prove relativity wrong; it simply shows us that relativity can't be used for the quantum scale.

There may well come a time when quantum is expressed as a special case of some more general theory, just as it was once realised that for extremely big scales you have to use general relativity instead of Newtonian mechanics; Newton wasn't wrong, and at human scales General Relativity actually 'turns into' Newtonian mechanics perfectly. It's just that it didn't apply to all scales.

The kind of physics you learn in school is stuff like 'applying a constant force will cause a body to change its momentum per unit time proportional to that force'. This simply can't be debased. It's been observed millions of times via experiment. You don't learn about extremely advanced effects like these, that's for guys with PhDs, but still, Newtonian mechanics is not supposed to deal with exotic situations.

And there's nothing at all wrong with the method of progress in physics, ie. the scientific method. Science is completely open to change. If a physicist observes something, he tries to explain it, not hide it. The scientific method will always be pretty much exhaustively infallible.
Bravo Kinda bad some people don't even know what 'science' is, for people like Xei to have to explain it all over

Quote Originally Posted by The Cusp View Post
Yeah, ego loss is not something you do once and are done with. The ego is always there, stalking you, waiting to pounce when you let your guard down.

Kromoh, for all your writing, you've added absolutely nothing of any substance to this thread.
LOL Cusp, ego-loss is a trance state that you achieve with concentration. Break the concentration and you will be back to normal. But the things you learn while in there remain. Well, not the thing's' you learn, but the thing you learn. You talk about it so abstractedly, means you have no idea what it's about.

--

I never thought I'd see O and The Cusp agree O.o

and LOL Taosaur xD