Thread: Mzzkc's Comprehensive WILD Guide

Whoever said daydreaming could be an anchor is right. I've used daydreams as an anchor many times. It's just a matter of letting the daydream flow naturally without losing consciousness in the process.

Is focusing on the back of your eyelids and repeating a mantra a good anchor? I've found that the mantra alone is not enough of an anchor. Once I started looking at my eyelids AND chanting I actually entered into SP, but snapped out of it and no dreams. Am I too aware or too excited?

@Kitty (even though technically your not asking me, i wanted to throw in my 2cents if thats ok?)
to me, your focusing too much on the thought of WILDing. You need to just think "im going to sleep, im tired" and then like count sheep if numbers work for you.For me, as your mind falls asleep It WILL wander. Thats what it does. its up to you to remain aware of where its going though...
Im not an expert but, i do what i normally do before i fall asleep. it helps put me in the right mindset.
Do you normally stare at the black of your eyelids or Chant Mantras Excessively before you sleep? i didnt think so (or maybe you do? O_o)
I think if your doing super weird stuff that you dont normally do, your mind is going to stay too awake and be like "wtf is she doing?"

Skydreamer is right. If it helps you stay aware, that's a good thing, but if it's preventing you from falling asleep, for whatever reason, then consider trying something different.

I'm having trouble finding a suitable anchor. When I try something simple like repeating 1 and 2, or counting, or monitoring my breathing, I can't make it become 'automatic'. I still have to think about it to make it work, but then I can't sleep. But if I don't concentrate on it, random thoughts will take over and I drift off to sleep normally.

What do I do?

Try switching to an Environmental Anchor. They're easier for most people to use.

Hey, thanks for this guide, it really helped me out by clearing up misconceptions that I had. I just had two lucids last night, one using pain as an anchor (hand under body) and the other using my sleeping mask. This was my first (and second!) WILD experience, so thanks!

Mzzkc, you should put in bold letters at the top of your guide, "KISS (Keep it Simple, Stupid)". It's so funny seeing all the horribly ridiculous magical things that people come up with, because they THINK it's supposed to be that complicated

I'm gonna try this sometime!

Moar questions.

How is the anchor suppose to work? Does it keep you alert while you fall asleep, or make you alert after you have fallen asleep? That's how I encounter all of my SP, is from becoming alert somehow after I have fallen asleep.

And another question, WILD takes practice right? Can a WILD be pulled off on demand if you have mastered a technique?

Originally Posted by AurumKnight

Hey, thanks for this guide, it really helped me out by clearing up misconceptions that I had. I just had two lucids last night, one using pain as an anchor (hand under body) and the other using my sleeping mask. This was my first (and second!) WILD experience, so thanks!

Glad I could help!

Originally Posted by cmind

Mzzkc, you should put in bold letters at the top of your guide, "KISS (Keep it Simple, Stupid)". It's so funny seeing all the horribly ridiculous magical things that people come up with, because they THINK it's supposed to be that complicated

Haha, you have to admit, some of those things can be interesting from time to time.

Originally Posted by guitardreamer

I'm gonna try this sometime!

Let us know how it goes. ^.^

Originally Posted by aktw4

Moar questions.

How is the anchor suppose to work? Does it keep you alert while you fall asleep, or make you alert after you have fallen asleep? That's how I encounter all of my SP, is from becoming alert somehow after I have fallen asleep.

And another question, WILD takes practice right? Can a WILD be pulled off on demand if you have mastered a technique?

Anchors are meant to help you maintain awareness while falling asleep. It is possible to develop one that'll make you alert right as you transition, but, by definition, falling asleep without awareness only to become aware while sleeping is not a WILD. Do note there's a key difference between drifting off for a short while and actually falling asleep.

It is possible to obtain mastery of the technique, allowing WILDs on demand, but there's only one person I know of who has achieved that level of proficiency.

Why the heck doesnt this and BillyBobs guide have a sticky in all things related to WILDing and general info? I mean cmon, this crap is the best stuf youll find!!! GOOD JOB!!

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

It is possible to obtain mastery of the technique, allowing WILDs on demand, but there's only one person I know of who has achieved that level of proficiency.

LaBerge? Lol. How good woudl that be just to go, oh i want to do something i cant do in the real world. Blam.... WILD and your done. What a lucky person. I bet if you tried to WILD the correct way, every night at a relatively even time for 3-5 years, you would master it. To keep doing it on the other hand is hard work lol.

Absolutely amazing, Mzzkc!!!
I've been at this for years now and have only ever once felt vibrations, during a WBTB attempt. Never felt SP or experienced a successful WILD. In fact, over the past 4 or 5 years, I've only experienced a small handful (8-10) LDs, with 6 being only seconds long, and on the same morning. I've always read that you need to stay perfectly still, hands to your side and feet apart, waiting until you drift into a LD. That never made sense to me, as I always felt like I could never relax that way. Not to mention, an unknown medical condition has me with a permanent nasal congestion and permanent cough problem. It's such a relief to know that I can cough, sniff, scratch and swallow if I need to!!! I really feel confident after reading this, so thank you.

And I'm sure I may need to try this myself to get a real answer, but what do you (all) think about visualizing your own reflection as an anchor? For many people, it's hard to picture what you look like. It takes time. And from what I've read, you could slip into a LD in around 15 minutes, so this might be a good method. Besides, I've never had a successful WILD, so I was hoping a few experienced members might feel like giving it a try!

Thanks again!!!

Yeah i know what you mean ASmitt. I tried using this guide the last two nights to WILD, re-reading this from time to time clears up things i have forgortten, it makes it sound easier, and in all aspects if you do it right it shouldnt be TOO hard, but i really struggled and just cant grasp how to WILD yet. I used me holding my phone as an anchor, for the first wild attempt it went ok, i kept forgetting about it and went back to it, and i bet i was close ot something, but i forgot and drifted :/. My mind was all like, puppy, house, bike, PHONE, beach, tree, swings, tyres, shoes, PHONE. lol. I think it would be a good idea and a bad idea if someone ecplained the shift from reality to dreaming in detail, because i dont know what i should expect, and if im close or not....

Yeah ASmitt, bet your glad i threw you this link now huh. lol

Originally Posted by Shadowmilo

Why the heck doesnt this and BillyBobs guide have a sticky in all things related to WILDing and general info? I mean cmon, this crap is the best stuf youll find!!! GOOD JOB!!

User guides tend not to get stickied, no matter how useful they are. But thanks for the praise.

Originally Posted by Shadowmilo

LaBerge? Lol. How good woudl that be just to go, oh i want to do something i cant do in the real world. Blam.... WILD and your done. What a lucky person. I bet if you tried to WILD the correct way, every night at a relatively even time for 3-5 years, you would master it. To keep doing it on the other hand is hard work lol.

Haha, I really don't know how good at WILDing LaBerge is. Nah, I was thinking of someone else who I won't name out of respect for his privacy.

As to what it takes to master WILD, I think you've got a good idea, but, as you said, committing to something like that is something else entirely.

Originally Posted by ASmitt

Absolutely amazing, Mzzkc!!!
I've been at this for years now and have only ever once felt vibrations, during a WBTB attempt. Never felt SP or experienced a successful WILD. In fact, over the past 4 or 5 years, I've only experienced a small handful (8-10) LDs, with 6 being only seconds long, and on the same morning. I've always read that you need to stay perfectly still, hands to your side and feet apart, waiting until you drift into a LD. That never made sense to me, as I always felt like I could never relax that way. Not to mention, an unknown medical condition has me with a permanent nasal congestion and permanent cough problem. It's such a relief to know that I can cough, sniff, scratch and swallow if I need to!!! I really feel confident after reading this, so thank you.

I hope this approach will bring you some new results. ^.^

But keep in mind, it's best not to move unless something is really disrupting your ability to sleep.

Originally Posted by ASmitt

And I'm sure I may need to try this myself to get a real answer, but what do you (all) think about visualizing your own reflection as an anchor? For many people, it's hard to picture what you look like. It takes time. And from what I've read, you could slip into a LD in around 15 minutes, so this might be a good method. Besides, I've never had a successful WILD, so I was hoping a few experienced members might feel like giving it a try!

I think something like that might heavily depend on the person. Give it a shot, and if it seems like it's taking too much of your attention, maybe try dialing down the detail or switching it up entirely.

Originally Posted by Shadowmilo

Yeah i know what you mean ASmitt. I tried using this guide the last two nights to WILD, re-reading this from time to time clears up things i have forgortten,

I think that's partly my fault. The guide's prose needs a bit of a touch-up.

Originally Posted by Shadowmilo

it makes it sound easier, and in all aspects if you do it right it shouldnt be TOO hard, but i really struggled and just cant grasp how to WILD yet. I used me holding my phone as an anchor, for the first wild attempt it went ok, i kept forgetting about it and went back to it, and i bet i was close ot something, but i forgot and drifted :/. My mind was all like, puppy, house, bike, PHONE, beach, tree, swings, tyres, shoes, PHONE. lol. I think it would be a good idea and a bad idea if someone ecplained the shift from reality to dreaming in detail, because i dont know what i should expect, and if im close or not....

Those associations sound like you were definitely making progress. That sort of things tends to happen right before the onset of legit SP, so if you can make it through that phase with just enough awareness to recognize what's happening, you'll be in the home stretch.

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

Those associations sound like you were definitely making progress. That sort of things tends to happen right before the onset of legit SP, so if you can make it through that phase with just enough awareness to recognize what's happening, you'll be in the home stretch.

That is what I usually find the hardest Because it is something your brain is already used to doing out of itself, it's kinda hard at times to stay aware. The beginning is nothing, as you know it's you making the associations, but as soon as the brain starts taking over, that's when my struggle starts:p

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

Those associations sound like you were definitely making progress. That sort of things tends to happen right before the onset of legit SP, so if you can make it through that phase with just enough awareness to recognize what's happening, you'll be in the home stretch.

So, your saying that if i can just hold on to (what im using now, my phone) hold onto the thought of my phone, long enoguh to get into SP then im 98% through? I think i might need to stay up for 20mins, because i find it difficult to keep coming back to my phone, all i want to do is sleep, which is definately a good thing, but trying to get back to the phone is really hard. So maybe 20mins of staying up, should then give me enough brain power to work it and get through it? Do you think?
I find it amusing how i read this guide, and everything becomes a whole lot easier again lol.

Cheers man, you've done REALLY well.

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

I hope this approach will bring you some new results. ^.^

But keep in mind, it's best not to move unless something is really disrupting your ability to sleep.

Well the issue is that I try not to disrupt my sleep by not coughing, which causes me to focus on not coughing, which makes me want to cough more. Normally I'd just cough and be done with it, so I'm just going to stay calm and relaxed and try to sleep as I normally would while trying out my reflection technique. I really hope this works!!!

Originally Posted by Shadowmilo

Yeah ASmitt, bet your glad i threw you this link now huh. lol

You have no idea! Thanks again!

Originally Posted by vmenge

First of all, thank you Mzzkc for such a wonderful guide. I have read another topic of yours which was also really helpful.
I've been using things I learned from this guide and arby's VILD guide to try and have a WILD/VILD, but I always reach the same impasse: whenever I start reaching SP, and all the sound in the world sounds like it's going through a leslie speaker, numbness starts reaching down and... it goes away. Just simply goes away. Every single freakin' time
Even if I just lay there and try my hardest not to think about it, it comes back aaaaaand goes away. I'm thinking this is because when it starts I can't help but notice it and think about it. My last few tries I tried REALLY REALLY hard NOT to think about it, which I think is what is ruining my attempt
Which sucks, because either I think about it, or I think about NOT thinking about it

Anyways... any tips?

If your HI and vibrations are going away then that may be good because if you are relaxing through the vibration stage then that is a good sign that you are even closer to SP and a lucid.

Originally Posted by mcwillis

If your HI and vibrations are going away then that may be good because if you are relaxing through the vibration stage then that is a good sign that you are even closer to SP and a lucid.

That's definitely true if he gets past the first round, as oftentimes there are two instances of N1 sleep before hitting REM and SP. But if he's still not hitting SP after the second or third time through, which seems to be the case, something else might be the problem. Good call, though.

I think i'd get somewhere with being concious of my breathing. I tried to WILD with it during a nap but the house is busy with family. What happens is I feel like I'm about to drop asleep and whatever I think about, I get a very clear image in my head, but I only notice after it's gone away. So I was trying to sleep/WILD and I see this giant purple eye and I feel like I'm sinking and just about there, I couldn't really feel my body because I just wasn't concious enough, and then BAM! Someone dropped something and I woke up.

That could have possibly been my first WILD. Aw well.

So I'm going to try tonight. I'm gonna get up for a few minutes then just get comfy and absently observe my breathing (not controlling it) and whatever goes through my head.

Thank you Mzzkc for this awesome guide, and I look forward to any more you make in the future, if you're planning any

Raspberry earplugs or earbuds work really well. Unless they distract you.

Well, I tried, but fell asleep too quickly. The dream was more vivid though. I think if I stay up for another 5 minutes or so, it could work I'll just need to tweak things until they work out.

And yeah earplugs annoy the hell out of me. I've got small ears

Originally Posted by Raspberry

Well, I tried, but fell asleep too quickly. The dream was more vivid though. I think if I stay up for another 5 minutes or so, it could work I'll just need to tweak things until they work out.

And yeah earplugs annoy the hell out of me. I've got small ears

I'm pretty sure you can buy slim-profile earplugs.