Thread: Quickly Transition From Vibrations to LD

Originally Posted by Aquanina

Please keep us updated on any progress you have! Yeah I've even been playing around with it even more, just during meditation...and when I do that...I start hallucinating! Like, seeing hypnagogic sort of imagery. It's pretty amazing. As far as I know, it's just the prefrontal cortex...but it could be several things. Maybe you guys can help me figure it out. This could eventually turn into a really cool research paper and project, possibly even get published. If I were to start a thread in the research forum about vibrations, dreaming, and areas of the brain, would you guys be interested in participating?

I am planning to look deeper into this and try some more things out. I've been wondering all day what would've happened if I hadn't moved, since I was getting visuals pretty quickly.. But that'll be one of those things to find out. So if you were to start a thread in research, I'd be in!
Can't promise I'll be able to try stuff out every night though, but hey

Originally Posted by Aquanina

Oh. Great. So that way, he can try to make even more money from MY technique.

Just from what you've described, he sounds a bit...off.

Vehram is an acronym for the initials of the names of the author and Robert Monroe. What interested me is the orbs of energy surrounding the physical body and that they could be used to induce a very deep vibration state immediately. His description rang true for me because it reminds me of the assemblage point talked about in Carlos Casteneda's books that seems strikingly similar to the rear energy ball the author talks about. I awoke during the night exiting from a DILD and remained motionless. I twitched my calf muscle to see if I was in sleep paralysis and I wasn't. I remained motionless and lay there for 30 seconds to calm myself as I was excited to test this theory of an 'external energy array' of energy orbs. I didn't use the breathing exercise as I have already experimented with that from Michael Raduga's books. I started to experience a little vibration, then as instructed I imagined a 12 inch diameter sphere of energy about three feet away from my solar plexus area and imagined drawing energy from it into my physical body. Within 2 seconds I felt an enormous surge of the vibrational state that was very surprising as I have never felt it come on as quickly and as powerfully like that before. I then focused my attention on the vibrations at the top and front of my forehead, as I have done a few times now, and again nothing happened. However I did experience an increase in the internal sounds of my head/brain and switched my attention to those and transitioned into a dream.

Update!

Two nights ago and last night I tried the same, though now more intentionally, so I made sure I was in a comfortable position before I started. As before, I cleared my mind as much as possible, I don't think it's possible to focus on much without doing this anyway.
Out of the both tries, the one two nights ago was easily the weirdest. It started of with hearing the pulsing sound inside of my head again, and when I started paying attention to it, I kinda stopped feeling my bed, and I got a warm glowy feeling. Unfortunately my head still felt my pillow so that kinda kept me aware of my surroundings, but the rest of my body felt like it was floating. After that I fell asleep.
Last night I was too tired, so I just tried it shortly, got to the pulses, fell asleep

But then, this morning something happened, of which I'm sure if I had done an RC I would've had the most vivid lucid ever. My alarm went of at 8:10AM. I decided to put it at 8:20 and mess around with my brain for 10 more minutes. I woke up an hour later after what seems to be the KING of all false awakenings ever There's no describing how real it felt, but needless to say, I've never woken up so confused before.

Anyway. Judging on what happened two nights ago I'm starting to think it might be very possible to get lucid from this without pre-sleep, it would just take some time, but pair that with the fact that I find it really hard to stay aware for long while doing this... So it might be possible, but hard.
Doing this after some sleep or in the morning, on the other hand, seems to be a pretty good way to get lucid (or FA's, since I'm too stupid to RC), but this had been pointed out by this thread on several occasions already..
Unfortunately I have no time to nap during the day, because I would really like to know what would happen if you try this during a nap

Originally Posted by Ayanizz

It started of with hearing the pulsing sound inside of my head again

I had this once within a minute of going to bed at night. It was like a siren for me and I went into complete sleep paralysis. I messed about with it to see how easy I could leave sleep paralysis and I couldn't. It was full and complete and the only time I have experienced it going to sleep.

Ayanizz...that's really interesting. When I wrote about the technique I certainly hadn't intended for it to be tried directly from an awake state to attempt to induce a lucid dream, but merely from the vibrational state, where you are already extremely close to being in a lucid dream. But I love to read about your experimenting with it, and if you are able to use it to somehow induce a dream state without sleep first then that would be pretty awesome! I would think that the same rules would apply as with WILD though, and you would need to get sleep before and wake up at a good point in your REM cycle. There are a lot of possibilities here and a lot of questions that still need answers. For example, why does it work and what is it exactly that we are doing? I've tried researching a bit more on electroencephalograms but they only give you an average reading over a period of about 20-30 minutes. It is also very shallow and cannot detect what is going on deeper in the brain. Personally I think there is a lot more to the brain states than just alpha, beta, theta, delta, gamma, mu...etc. I think that they need to take into account that it is possible for two of these frequencies to be occurring at the same time, one peripheral, and one deeper in the thalamus region of the brain. But it's also a lot more difficult to test for this due to many variables, so for now, there isn't a whole lot to go on. Luckily though, the region of the brain seem to be messing around with is somewhat peripheral (most likely prefrontal cortex), and would probably be detected on an EEG as alpha waves. I really want an EEG for research purposes myself. If anyone knows of a good one that doesn't cost a fortune, let me know.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

Ayanizz...that's really interesting. When I wrote about the technique I certainly hadn't intended for it to be tried directly from an awake state to attempt to induce a lucid dream, but merely from the vibrational state, where you are already extremely close to being in a lucid dream. But I love to read about your experimenting with it, and if you are able to use it to somehow induce a dream state without sleep first then that would be pretty awesome!

I'll keep on experimenting whenever I find the time, we can already assume that it's a straight way (and an easy one) into a lucid dream once you are in the vibrational stage, so I'm trying to find out what else you can do with it ^^
As you have already pointed out you have used this during meditation, and you were able to start up hallucinations, so this region of the brain responds to mental "manipulation" very well and is almost sure to produce at least something. As far as inducing a lucid dream without sleep first goes, it might be hard. What happened the past few times is that, though it works, and it gives imagery pretty much straight away, it also seems to speed up the whole "falling asleep"-process... So if anything, it's already a pretty good way to fall asleep, plus it works relaxing Now if I only could stay aware.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

I really want an EEG for research purposes myself. If anyone knows of a good one that doesn't cost a fortune, let me know.

I'll ask around. I know some people in the medical world who might know, though I think finding EEG-machines that are cheap and available for the general public, + easy to use might be a hard task.

I wish it would do this for me

Just asked around for the EEG-machine thingy. Your best bet is to write around to hospitals to see if they have none that they don't use anymore. And even then it will probably cost you enough Buying a new one will almost certainly be too expensive for what you're willing to give out for it...
On a different note, and out of pure curiosity, are you left- or righthanded?

@mcwillis: are you sure you are focussing on the right part of your brain? If you close your eyes and look up (like, looking at the back of your forehead), you're pretty much going in the right direction Visualising switching it on or sending energy to that spot helps.

Interesting question...I am very much left handed. Are you as well? I don't know many right handed people that even bother asking such a question since they are quick to assume everyone is right handed, and not surprisingly since most people are.

I appreciate you asking about the EEG machines. I will also ask some of my professors, I think we actually have a sleep lab at our university, it would be awesome to get in contact with some of the people there. I really want to talk to the more, cognitive neuroscience sort of professionals though. I don't know that anyone else would even have a clue about what we are discussing or what could be the mechanism behind it.

I think the biggest problem with using this to try and lucid dream from a waking state is that the body will not be in sleep paralysis. I have actually done this before and used it to induce an OBE, but I was never truly immersed inside the OBE...because I never became disconnected from my body. My body was still completely awake, but I had tricked my mind into going to sleep while retaining a small level of consciousness. This didn't just happen naturally, it was with the aid of a dissociative substance where I went into a deep meditative state and tried to induce an OBE. I would have worked if my body had gone into SP. We need to figure out a way to induce SP more quickly.

I am very much left handed as well, yes And proud of it too It might have something to do with why some people manage to pull off different methods faster than others, who knows...

And yes, reaching SP is the hardest part. I have noticed however that once the pulsing sound starts, and the various things that come with them, I'm much less inclined to move, I don't really feel those (incredibly annoying) tiny random pinpoint itches anymore, and the try two nights ago I even forgot at some times that my body was even there, except for my head (which still felt the pillow).
Hmm, your OBE experience makes me understand why you think two frequencies might actually be at work at the same time...

Originally Posted by Ayanizz

I am very much left handed as well, yes And proud of it too It might have something to do with why some people manage to pull off different methods faster than others, who knows...

That is an excellent observation, and one that I hadn't even considered. Handedness actually very well could (and likely would) play an important role in what we are discussing due to the fact that beta waves (I accidentally said alpha in the above post), which are most evident frontally, and the very same brainwaves that we experience during waking state as well as lucid dreaming...have a higher amplitude on the more dominant side of the brain. This means, that someone who is left handed, and more right brained, would experience higher amplitude beta frequencies in the right hemisphere. This could possibly result in a more natural visual experience from stimulating this area of the brain than would be experienced by more right handed/left brained people. Hopefully I am making sense, if not, I can clarify.

Hmm, your OBE experience makes me understand why you think two frequencies might actually be at work at the same time...

Well I guess mostly what I was referring to in the dual brain frequency was merely involving the changeover from one state to the next. It does not happen instantaneously. You are not one moment in alpha and then all of a sudden switch over to theta. You are one moment in alpha...then for whatever reason be it physiological or emotional, etc. your brain wants to switch to another frequency...so very slowly...one neuron at a time begins firing at this different frequency, for example theta. The neural network or area of the brain that these neurons are connected to then all begin firing at this new theta frequency. This happens simultaneously with the original alpha frequency. Eventually enough neural clusters or networks begin firing at the same new theta frequency, and the alpha frequency fades out as this overall changeover to theta occurs. But there was still a period where your brain was firing at both alpha and theta. Or delta and theta. Etc. etc. (and I guess I am probably just over complicating a simple theory known as equilibrium). But I've never heard about equilibrium discussed when pertaining to brainwaves. It's always one or the other, and this is the problem with EEG machines...it merely takes an average of all the different brain frequencies occurring. It doesn't take into account that many different ones are likely occurring at the same time in various areas of the brain and various neuronal clusters.

So it is my theory that the only times we are truly able to sense these differing brainwave frequencies is during the transition, when the changeover from one to the other takes place. And only because we register it in our brains as a "different" frequency from what we were experiencing before, so our mind can make a comparison and say, hey wait, this is a different frequency than what I was just experiencing. The mind can become acclimated to absolutely anything. Sensation (hot, cold), annoying noises. It just tunes them out after awhile because you get used to it. It's the old metaphor of the frog in boiling water. Put a frog in boiling hot water and it will jump out, but if you put a frog in room temperature water and slowly raise the temperature the frog will remain and be boiled alive. I don't know if this is even a true metaphor, but it goes with what I'm trying to explain. When I am conscious at the lower levels, such as delta as during sleep...the only reason I can feel my brain switching over to something like beta when I enter a lucid dream is because the two frequencies are so incredibly different from one another. It's like hot and cold. The most obvious changeover for me to experience is from the very high amplitude and slow delta frequency (slow wave sleep)...to the very fast low amplitude waves of beta that are characteristic of lucid dreaming.

So what is my point? lol.

Basically I think that this technique merely helps the transition to occur faster. Perhaps directing your conscious awareness to the area of the brain where this new frequency beings firing in a small neuronal cluster helps the various neural networks of the brain to switch over to this new frequency more quickly. So it actually becomes a conscious choice to direct your brainwaves into a new frequency. That for me, is the most fascinating aspect, because how often do you get to make a decision about how your brain is actually functioning?

Ok, so now I know I'm rambling lol. But these are just some various theories and ideas that I've been developing and it's nice to discuss them and sort of get them out of my, usually, very overworked mind. Thanks for listening.

Aquanina I have a question for you. I have noticed that few times you had implied that vibrational state is very close to the point where you transfer to LD. I have had no WILDs but lately I've been trying to induce them and I almost always get to the point where my muscles would start vibrating but I feel that that is nowhere close to having LD or am I wrong? Or it's probably different for all people. I would be happy If that is actually close to LD. Also your theory looks rather interesting and promising, I will definitely try it and post results.

I'm going to make a well-educated guess here and assume you are also having exams right now, and anything is more interesting than the books in front of you?

It IS fascinating! And I guess that's why I've been experimenting with it the past few days, and am going to keep doing so. I find it quite interesting how your brain can actually respond to a mental stimulation that you consciously do, and how that can bring about effects the likes of which we are discussing here. The idea that it speeds up transitions makes sense too, as it would explain for example how it speeds up my process of falling asleep, and how it can bring on lucids so rapidly from vibrational state.
I'm trying to figure out how it is possible that I'm actually hearing the wavepulses but I think it'll be damn hard to find a scientific explanation for that... Perhaps consciously focussing on your brain makes you more aware of what is going on there, and people just never notice it because they never have the need to pay attention to it?

It appears you are lightyears ahead on brainknowledge though So I'm afraid I haven't got much to add to what you said since it all makes sense.
One thing though, about the changeover from one state to another. Say for example you're at 12hz, and your brain wants to go to 7hz, it was my understanding that it would be gradually slowing down (12 - 11 - 10 - and further downwards). So then there would be no real dual brain frequency right? Or am I seeing this all wrong?

Originally Posted by ultranova

Aquanina I have a question for you. I have noticed that few times you had implied that vibrational state is very close to the point where you transfer to LD. I have had no WILDs but lately I've been trying to induce them and I almost always get to the point where my muscles would start vibrating but I feel that that is nowhere close to having LD or am I wrong?

I would hesitate to say anything is right or wrong because I'm sure that it really is different for everyone, and really I can only take what people say and judge it based on my own experiences (and what I've read)...but I think that what you are experiencing is the typical "tingling" sensation that occurs when you don't move for awhile. When you lay motionless during a WILD attempt after a few minutes your body starts to tingle and feel numb. I've seen some people talk about this as if it were the vibrational state, but in my experience it is actually still pretty far from the vibrational state and sleep paralysis. It's possible though that it all depends on when you attempt to WILD. For example, if I tried WILDing in the middle of the day it would take several minutes to get to the tingly place where my entire body becomes numb, and I would remain in that state for a very long time (30-45+ minutes) until reaching the vibrational state, SP, and immersive HI. But if I woke up in the middle of the night and then tried to WILD I might enter the vibrational state almost immediately, merely due to the fact that my body was scheduled to enter a REM state regardless. With WILDs it is really all about timing.

Originally Posted by Ayanizz

I'm going to make a well-educated guess here and assume you are also having exams right now, and anything is more interesting than the books in front of you?

Actually I won't have midterms until next week, but I'm taking several upper level science courses so I spend the majority of my time studying regardless of exams or not. But yes, DV is a wonderfully distracting way to spend study breaks.

I'm trying to figure out how it is possible that I'm actually hearing the wavepulses but I think it'll be damn hard to find a scientific explanation for that... Perhaps consciously focussing on your brain makes you more aware of what is going on there, and people just never notice it because they never have the need to pay attention to it?

Well here's my theory regarding the ability to sense brainwaves...and I know why you want to say that you are "hearing" them, I agree that it seems as though they are heard...but it is my belief that they are not actually heard but sensed. But basically when we are awake we are typically experiencing beta frequencies, sometimes alpha, and even less theta. Beta frequencies are very fast and of low amplitude...and frequency that I believe is typically too fast and too subtle to sense in our waking lives, especially as we are constantly inundated with external stimuli. Quite simply, we are not trained to tune into such physiological changes within our bodies, and while we are awake we do not realize that our conscious mind is completely and totally projecting itself into the outside world and receiving all this simultaneous external stimuli. We are not aware of our subconscious, for example, operating under the radar and drinking in so much more than our consciousness could begin to comprehend.

Now, when we transition into dream states and altered consciousness where our mind is disconnected with the body...the conscious mind, in all of its magnificence turns inward and becomes able to perceive extremely subtle physiological phenomena such as changes in brain frequency, due to the fact that it is no longer connected to or receiving stimuli (distractions) from the external environment. What is more...I also theorize that during these states of consciousness we literally become capable of controlling (or even just sensing) certain aspects of our central nervous system and autonomic nervous system that are typically regarded as unconscious neuronal processes which we are incapable of voluntarily controlling. The autonomic nervous system governs such things as heart rate and digestion...things that are always taking place in the background.

I need to read up more regarding the vestibular and auditory systems, but I theorize that the very loud humming noises that people experience are these amplified neural oscillations...and that the very loud throbbing sounds during SP (commonly dismissed as auditory hallucination) is merely our own heartbeat reverberating and passing by our inner ears (or possibly the pulsing movement of cerebrospinal fluid). The ears are actually fascinating because I have been able to feel the exact moment they stop focusing on the external environment and turn toward the inner environment. I didn't even know that was possible, but I have felt it happening on various occasions during WILDing. And actually in those states the ears function more like an animals ears, and you can literally feel them changing direction like a cat's ears to turn toward the source of a noise. At times I have noticed the profound effect it has on my sense of balance (the vestibular system being responsible for balance and sensations of acceleration) while transitioning into the dream state, and is, I believe, the reason why most people experience certain feelings of falling, rushing forward, spinning in circles, etc. during SP.

Spoiler for superfluous background info, feel free to skip over:

...I first gained interest in such things as a result of regular experimentation with dissociative substances, which gave me almost frightening control over very specific bodily functions that I'm not sure I probably should have been messing around with at the time. For example, I could speed up or slow down my heart rate and body temperature with a single thought. What was interesting to me was how immediately and fully the body would respond. At full waking consciousness if I try to slow my heart rate down it is a process, and it takes a few minutes for my heart to actually begin truly slowing down. But during those times on dissociatives it would quite literally immediately respond to my thoughts and instructions. Just to be sure it wasn't all in my head (though I knew the thermometer wasn't lying, but it is extremely difficult to take an accurate reading of your own pulse) I even had a friend take my pulse and I truly was consciously controlling it. I would give my brain a single command like, "sleep" and within seconds I would start feeling the deep slow high amplitude waves of delta setting in. But I soon began to realize how similar this state of dissociation is to the transitional states as experienced during WILDs...pre and post dream trance-like states of mind. I noticed how, during the vibrational state, I was able to consciously control vibrations, frequencies, and even instruct my heart to slow down if I began to get too excited. And when it comes to it, they basically are the same...it is merely a dissociation from the body, something our minds do every single night when we enter sleep paralysis.

One thing though, about the changeover from one state to another. Say for example you're at 12hz, and your brain wants to go to 7hz, it was my understanding that it would be gradually slowing down (12 - 11 - 10 - and further downwards). So then there would be no real dual brain frequency right? Or am I seeing this all wrong?

That's actually a great question. When a mind oscillating at 12hz wants to switch over to 7hz it will not do so in a stair step manner to lower the overall brain frequency contiguously. But instead, the specific neuronal network responsible will begin firing at 7hz, until more and more neural networks pick up the same 7hz frequency. As this happens, the 12hz frequency begins to fire less and less (drops out). It is a take over. And equilibrium is reached as two distinct frequencies coming together...although its not so much equlilbrium, since the 7hz eventually wins out. So if someone had an EEG done on this process then it would probably appear to be a stair step like you mention from 12hz, to 11hz, to 10hz...but that is ONLY because an EEG is an average of all the frequencies taking place over a span of time. There are more precise tests I think they can use now that give the specific amount of each neuronal network in the brain that is oscillating at different frequencies. It creates a nice gradation pattern.

I realize that it is strange to think of our brain state as operating at these various frequencies at various speeds and amplitudes throughout the day. We like to think of our brain as operating at one synchronous frequency...and then when it wants to change to something else, the whole brain slowly changes to another frequency. But this is not the case. There is SO much noise and ridiculous amounts of chatter going on in our brains at any given time, that our minds are anything but synchronous. And I guess this is why things like meditation are so useful, or any exercise that helps to make the overall brain activity become more synchronized...or in the case of the lucid dream...how to help it to change over to another frequency more easily.

Different global patterns of brain activity are associated with distinct arousal and behavioral states of an animal, but how the brain rapidly switches between different states remains unclear. We here report that repetitive high-frequency burst spiking of a single rat cortical neuron could trigger a switch between the cortical states resembling slow-wave and rapid–eye-movement sleep. This is reflected in the switching of the membrane potential of the stimulated neuron from slow UP/DOWN oscillations to a persistent-UP state or vice versa, with concurrent changes in the temporal pattern of cortical local field potential (LFP) recorded several millimeters away. These results point to the power of single cortical neurons in modulating the behavioral state of an animal.

Even just a SINGLE neuron!! That's cool.

Source:Burst Spiking of a Single Cortical Neuron Modifies Global Brain State | Science/AAAS

Lol, mammoth post! Thank you for the link, it appears neutrons pack a lot of punch considering how tiny they are

Payed some attention to it last night, and indeed, it's not so much hearing as it is sensing. There is a distinct pulsing pattern though, but it's inside of my head. So I guess, if I throw what you said and what I said together, it's correct that focussing your attention to the inside of your head is going to result in certain senses turning inwards (e.g. the ears). Which is why external noise/moving around will make it go away.
Anyway, nothing much to add about last night, it was pretty much the same as previous nights, though I have noticed that nothing happened while I was lying on my left side, while I had immediate results when I switched to my right side. This can ofcourse be purely coincidental so I'll see if it happens again tonight.

I would really love to try this technique out as a means to WILD some day, because there's only that much you can do without pre-sleep, but my schedule right now doesn't allow for WBTB's or naps, and my brain doesn't allow for lucids or something (stress kills it! And it kills recall too apparently.)

Okay, last night I had no particular success, but it was a success for me in some way. So here is what happened. I went to bed at about 00:45 AM. I laid down and started doing some visualization ( just practicing ), I wasn't moving ( I wasn't trying WILD or anything ti just happened that I wasn't moving) and after 2-3 minutes my body started getting numb and I don't remember the rest so I would assume that I fell asleep at 1:00AM at most. Previously I set up my alarm at 6:45. It woke me up in a middle of a dream which I remembered clearly. I went to bathroom got back and tried WILD. But I had no success, I felt very uncomfortable and I couldn't stay still longer than a 2-3 minute. After many position changes I opened my eyes to see what time it is. It was 7:35. I though that today was a lost cause and I should try it tomorrow. But seconds after that I fell asleep. I had a very long and vivid lucid dream triggered by vibration in my dream. Since my original intention was trying to induce lucid dream by trying to transfer from vibrational state directly to LD I think that it is somewhat connected. And another strange thing was that all my previous dreams were induced by doing RC and after it succeeded I knew it was dream but this time after vibrating started I just knew it was dream without previously doing any RC.
Here is my dream if you are interested to see how did it turned out to be lucid: http://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/ultr...-he-yuk-12193/

I only had a "natural" SP experience once, in the middle of the night, followed by an OBE. Then I had many other SPs during a time when I was meditating with Holosync on my headphones. But the experiences were mostly creepy, painful and terrifying so I stopped with the Holosyncing and the SPs stopped to.
I never had SPs again, although I do have WILDs, so I concluded it's really not necessary or forceful to go through SPs to fall asleep lucid. Actually I am glad I don't have to go through it, it is so much more peaceful. I just relax deeply and focus on entering the dream state - it is almost like entering meditative state, but you go directly to dream state. Usually it is very quick and effective to enter a lucid dream this way, once you find the right switch on your brain - basically it's about absolute relaxation of the mind and sharp focus on the objective. I've been trying it at different times of the day and aiming to be able to do it at will, even when not feeling sleepy. I've been experiencing interesting results so far, but I just started, so this might be some temporary luck and later I might stagnate or retrogress.

Originally Posted by Mayatara

Usually it is very quick and effective to enter a lucid dream this way, once you find the right switch on your brain - basically it's about absolute relaxation of the mind and sharp focus on the objective. I've been trying it at different times of the day and aiming to be able to do it at will, even when not feeling sleepy. I've been experiencing interesting results so far, but I just started, so this might be some temporary luck and later I might stagnate or retrogress.

Interesting. How long exactly does it take for you to enter a lucid dream?

Originally Posted by Aquanina

Once you are able to feel this different vibration, just concentrate on it. The harder you concentrate on this vibration, the faster it vibrates, and the louder the buzzing/humming inside your head. When the vibration becomes so fast that the humming is barely detectable...you are already inside a lucid dream.
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Okay, last night I tried WILD, it failed again this time but I got to point where I got intense vibrations, I couldn't control them but eventually start to feel them in my head. But all of sudden like a wave of something crushed me, it seemed like the frequency of my brain has decreased, my "vision" got very deep like I was falling into something. I felt a huge drop in my vital functions, my breathing became very slow and I felt my heart beating very slowly. I got scared and opened my eyes, got up and drank some water and returned to sleep normally. It's opposite of quoted there because humming in my head got slower not faster...But I have not succeeded in controlling the vibrations.

Originally Posted by Ayanizz

Anyway, nothing much to add about last night, it was pretty much the same as previous nights, though I have noticed that nothing happened while I was lying on my left side, while I had immediate results when I switched to my right side. This can ofcourse be purely coincidental so I'll see if it happens again tonight.

Regarding sleeping on the right side...this is typically the side I sleep on every single time I lucid dream. I recognized this a few years ago, so sometimes I purposefully roll over onto my right side in the middle of the night to increase my chances at becoming lucid. There's some eastern mysticism about why sleeping on the right results in move vivid or lucid dreams...but my hypothesis is that it has to do with blood flow in the brain and gravity. When sleeping on your right side, gravity would cause blood in the tissues to very slightly move from the left hemisphere to the right. If there is more blood in the right hemisphere, it can function better, and this would increase visuals and dream vividness. Also, sleeping on your right side (as opposed to the left) takes some pressure off your heart, resulting in better blood flow throughout the body.

Originally Posted by ultranova

I had a very long and vivid lucid dream triggered by vibration in my dream. Since my original intention was trying to induce lucid dream by trying to transfer from vibrational state directly to LD I think that it is somewhat connected. And another strange thing was that all my previous dreams were induced by doing RC and after it succeeded I knew it was dream but this time after vibrating started I just knew it was dream without previously doing any RC.

That's great! Congrats on the long vivid lucid.

Originally Posted by Mayatara

I only had a "natural" SP experience once, in the middle of the night, followed by an OBE. Then I had many other SPs during a time when I was meditating with Holosync on my headphones. But the experiences were mostly creepy, painful and terrifying so I stopped with the Holosyncing and the SPs stopped to.
I never had SPs again, although I do have WILDs, so I concluded it's really not necessary or forceful to go through SPs to fall asleep lucid. Actually I am glad I don't have to go through it, it is so much more peaceful. I just relax deeply and focus on entering the dream state - it is almost like entering meditative state, but you go directly to dream state. Usually it is very quick and effective to enter a lucid dream this way, once you find the right switch on your brain - basically it's about absolute relaxation of the mind and sharp focus on the objective. I've been trying it at different times of the day and aiming to be able to do it at will, even when not feeling sleepy. I've been experiencing interesting results so far, but I just started, so this might be some temporary luck and later I might stagnate or retrogress.

Yep I know exactly what you mean. I used to take naps during the day, and I would just lay down to nap and think of nothing else but going to sleep, no worries about trying to WILD, etc. Since I has napping at the perfect time in my REM cycle, I would just go straight into a lucid dream within about 15 minutes. I would lose consciousness and fall asleep, but because I was sleeping at such a light level, I would immediately regain consciousness during the vibrational state, HI, or when a dream started....so I would always get lucids. Sometimes I'd spend 2 hours just DEILDing over and over again in the afternoon. The reason it worked so well was because I had to get up early and go to class from 8am - 11am. After which I would come back to my dorm room to enjoy marathon lucid naps...and then get up and head to my next class from 2pm - 5pm. Since I'd wake up early, around 7:15, I would have plenty of REM leftover, which I could take advantage of during those mid morning naps. Actually, most people don't realize this, but the best time to nap is within 4 hours of waking up. Your chance to become lucid during a nap lowers drastically past that 4 hour window.

Originally Posted by ultranova

Okay, last night I tried WILD, it failed again this time but I got to point where I got intense vibrations, I couldn't control them but eventually start to feel them in my head. But all of sudden like a wave of something crushed me, it seemed like the frequency of my brain has decreased, my "vision" got very deep like I was falling into something. I felt a huge drop in my vital functions, my breathing became very slow and I felt my heart beating very slowly. I got scared and opened my eyes, got up and drank some water and returned to sleep normally. It's opposite of quoted there because humming in my head got slower not faster...But I have not succeeded in controlling the vibrations.

Could you explain a little more about the circumstances surrounding the WILD attempt? When did you try it? Did you wake up in the night? Had you had some sleep already?

Originally Posted by BlueWalls

Interesting. How long exactly does it take for you to enter a lucid dream?

Hard to tell, because I lose notion of time, but it's getting quicker, like a matter of minutes, maybe 10.
I'm talking about WILDing, not anything new, so I have to be honest and say it doesn't work so well at the beginning of the night as it works later in the night and early in the morning, of course. I managed to do it in the beginning of the night only a couple of times and also did it on some naps (but that's common). The only point I want to make, is that I believe it can be achieved without going through SP. I am starting to believe that SP is actually an anomaly that, once the "entering the dreams" process is mastered, you no longer need to go through. Basically we experience SP because the body falls asleep before the mind does and we use it to keep lucidity after falling asleep, but once you train the mind to go conscious to dreams immediately, independent of the body state at that time, then SP is gone - it still happens, but then you're already dreaming, so you don't feel it.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

Could you explain a little more about the circumstances surrounding the WILD attempt? When did you try it? Did you wake up in the night? Had you had some sleep already?

Well, I tried iti at beginning of night. Actually I wasn't even planning to do it, after a half an hour of sleep I woke up and couldn't fall asleep so I decided to try WILD and that's when It happened. After that I woke up in a morning and tried WILD again but I was feeling very uncomfortable and fell asleep.

Haven't been able to do anything lately since I'm at the end of my midterms and the last ones always seem to hit hardest (hooray for studying Japanese and Chinese at the same time -.-), but in a few days I'm free to pursue whatever goal I set down for myself I have noticed that stress does not only kill the chance for lucid dreaming and good recall (although the second one seems to flash up every few days), but it also does a very good job at killing any ideas or plans you might have for paying attention to what your brain is doing while you're falling asleep.

Oh and Ultranova, attempting WILD's at the beginning of the night is tough stuff While it is possible it usually takes too long, so you're much better off trying it during the day (as in: naps) or after a good couple of hours sleep. If you haven't figured out your dreaming pattern yet, I suggest going to the toilet half an hour before you go to bed, and then drink a whole bunch of water right before you go to bed. You wake up shortly after every REM-period, but as long as there is no need for you to wake up more you will hardly notice this and go back to sleep. With the water trick, your mind will most likely force you to be more awake to take a "toiletbreak", which is how you figure out what time one of your REM-periods ends and, close to morning, another one will start soon.
For example, for me, if I go to bed at midnight I know that I have a perfect time to WILD at about 5:15AM..