Thread: Quickly Transition From Vibrations to LD

I get the same thing cuckoo. Before HI usually and definitely before SP.

Except for that I didn't realise they were vibrations until I tried Aquanina's technique.

Ok now I don't think we are talking about the same vibrations. Not at all. Confusing.

Yes.... hmmmm. How do yours differ from really fast rising and falling?

I tried moving the vibrations I got from just laying down before pre-sleep without results. I'm wondering if we're talking about the same vibrations as well! I think you have to be in sleep paralysis for this to work. If that's the case, then I can't see much use for this technique as you should be able to quickly transition from full on sp to lucid dream quite easily as it is

Originally Posted by tommo

Yes.... hmmmm. How do yours differ from really fast rising and falling?

Well for me the vibrations are exactly that, vibrations. Imagine swallowing a vibrator on high intensity. Ok, weird visual, I know, and in that case the vibrations would be centered around the stomach/solar plexus. But of course, a vibration is just a wave oscillation...and a wave has peaks and troughs (rises and falls). So perhaps if a vibration were slowed down to an extent where you could actually feel the individual periods...hmm...no...that doesn't make sense. Have you ever felt vibrations like I am describing? Or is it always just a rising/falling sensation for you? Does this occur for you during sleep paralysis or before?

Originally Posted by Jay12341235

I think you have to be in sleep paralysis for this to work. If that's the case, then I can't see much use for this technique as you should be able to quickly transition from full on sp to lucid dream quite easily as it is

I'm quite certain that for me at least, I have to be entering, exiting, or in sleep paralysis/rem atonia during the vibrational state and in order to manipulate the vibrations. Perhaps you have never gotten stuck in the vibrational state before, or else you would be able to see the use in this technique. But I know that a lot of people do get stuck there, or in HI, and it can become frustrating waiting for the dream to start.

I finally experienced the vibrations, I think. I woke up from a dream and kept my eyes closed and didn't move, trying for a DEILD. I was vibrating like crazy, but it's possible that it was caused because I was sleeping on my arm and my arm was vibrating from sleeping on it, rather than actually being in SP.

I tried moving the vibrations, but couldn't. Thinking about my brain didn't change anything. After maybe 15 minutes I decided to test if I was in SP by trying to move. I tried to pull my arm out, and sure enough I did. I guess I'll just have to try again. I probably didn't reach the vibrations you were talking about, although in theory that should've been it since it was a DEILD process.

Yeah, doesn't sound like you were in SP. Seems like you just had tingles/pins and needles from your arm. Which is probably what woke you from the dream in the first place.

For DEILD to work...you usually have to wake up into SP.

I was afraid that was the case.

Originally Posted by mcwillis

If Aquanina's technique can be reproduced by others then it won't be necessary for you to be in SP for this to work

What do you mean you dont have to be in SP? O.o

I had my first WILD today, and paired with that, also the first time experiencing these vibrations... And let me tell you, they're awesome For the people wondering if they're having the same vibrations as some other people here: Imagine sitting in one of those full-body massage chairs on pretty high intensity, it's comparable to that. To me it felt like it washed over me like a wave, first I was all "whoa what is this!" but if you stay calm and just let it happen it's quite relaxing actually

Anyway, I had noticed that it was indeed possible to focus on a part of my body and "move" the most intense vibration area over there, but I only read this thread just now so next time I'm able to get to the vibrations I'll try this out, and comment back

^Awesome. Congrats on your WILD! Those are definitely the vibrations of which I speak.

Thanks!

I would also like to give a pointer for those who can't get to the vibration stage: ninja's 99 breaths guide (http://www.dreamviews.com/f41/99-bre...ng-mind-46367/) may do the trick, I got there that way. If you do it correctly you may feel your body getting engulfed in warmth, together with a buzzing feeling. If you then focus on this buzzing feeling (did this by accident because it was quite interesting) it gets stronger and results in the vibrations.

Ofcourse, what helped for me will not necessarily help for others, but it's my 2 cents.. Looking forward to doing it again!

Sorry for the double post but I have an update AND a question for Aquanina (or anyone else knowing what they're talking about)

I seemed to be unable to replicate the feeling last night since I kept falling asleep too fast without being able to be focussed. It's weird because I'm trying to focus (using a multitude of techniques), but after a few minutes I just black out...

Anyway, my question: These vibrations, are they sleep paralysis, or just part of it? Or something you feel when entering it? Because, if they ARE sleep paralysis, I'm hooked I read all these things about people going through some pretty scary stuff, but if the vibrations are what I'm going to get all the time, sign me up:p

Originally Posted by Ayanizz

Sorry for the double post but I have an update AND a question for Aquanina (or anyone else knowing what they're talking about)

I seemed to be unable to replicate the feeling last night since I kept falling asleep too fast without being able to be focussed. It's weird because I'm trying to focus (using a multitude of techniques), but after a few minutes I just black out...

Anyway, my question: These vibrations, are they sleep paralysis, or just part of it? Or something you feel when entering it? Because, if they ARE sleep paralysis, I'm hooked I read all these things about people going through some pretty scary stuff, but if the vibrations are what I'm going to get all the time, sign me up:p

It's easy to tell if it's sleep paralysis. You should be paralyzed if you're in it. You shouldn't be able to go "I was in SP but I moved and broke it" because half of this site thinks that SP is a numb or tingly feeling, not paralysis

Originally Posted by Jay12341235

It's easy to tell if it's sleep paralysis. You should be paralyzed if you're in it. You shouldn't be able to go "I was in SP but I moved and broke it" because half of this site thinks that SP is a numb or tingly feeling, not paralysis

1. I don't call the feeling like I just swallowed a whole bag of vibrators a "numb" or "tingly" feeling:p
2. I didn't have time to check if I could move or not for 2 reasons, it was too awesome and I thought that even trying to move would make it go away, so I just sunk deeper in it. This then caused me to have a lucid.
3. Not to crack you down or anything, but your post was not an answer to my question at all I ask it because I'm unable to reproduce the vibrations just like that(because of falling asleep too fast), but I wish to know if they are part of my sleep paralysis, contrary to scary stuff and people shouting/bashing on walls or doors.

That's all.
If I could reproduce the feeling just like that, to test if it was sleep paralysis or not, I wouldn't be asking the question in the first place right?

Originally Posted by Ayanizz

1. I don't call the feeling like I just swallowed a whole bag of vibrators a "numb" or "tingly" feeling:p
2. I didn't have time to check if I could move or not for 2 reasons, it was too awesome and I thought that even trying to move would make it go away, so I just sunk deeper in it. This then caused me to have a lucid.
3. Not to crack you down or anything, but your post was not an answer to my question at all I ask it because I'm unable to reproduce the vibrations just like that(because of falling asleep too fast), but I wish to know if they are part of my sleep paralysis, contrary to scary stuff and people shouting/bashing on walls or doors.

That's all.
If I could reproduce the feeling just like that, to test if it was sleep paralysis or not, I wouldn't be asking the question in the first place right?

My statement about half the forum wasn't directed at you. I made it sound like it was on accident!

Most people experience a heavy feeling, obviously a feeling of paralysis, and experience both audio and visual hallucinations. Again, the most important part is paralysis, but like you said, you didn't check.

To say it's sleep paralysis would be a guess, but it sounds like you were at least close.

Originally Posted by Ayanizz

I seemed to be unable to replicate the feeling last night since I kept falling asleep too fast without being able to be focussed. It's weird because I'm trying to focus (using a multitude of techniques), but after a few minutes I just black out...

Anyway, my question: These vibrations, are they sleep paralysis, or just part of it? Or something you feel when entering it? Because, if they ARE sleep paralysis, I'm hooked I read all these things about people going through some pretty scary stuff, but if the vibrations are what I'm going to get all the time, sign me up:p

First...when were you attempting to WILD?

From my own experiences, I'd say that the vibrations are not equivalent to Sleep Paralysis...but seem to be a physical sensation that often occurs at the same time as SP or perhaps as a consequence of SP, while the body and mind prepare to enter or exit the dream state. However the vibrations are not always present during SP, and just because you are experiencing SP that does not mean you will necessarily be experiencing the vibrations as well.

Sleep Paralysis can be very frightening, even for those with a lot of experience with it. When your mind wakes up from a dream before your body, then you wake up into a completely paralyzed state which may persist for several seconds or minutes. This state involves conscious awareness of total body paralysis, often accompanied by pressure on the chest or feeling as though you have difficulty breathing. What's more is that this state is susceptible to hypnopompic hallucinations, so many people report seeing shadow beings or other frightening entities in their bedroom, sitting on their chest, or restraining them in some manner. A lot of people panic and their heart rate increases dramatically, leading to a pounding sensation inside the head often felt by the ears, as the blood pumps through your system. This often turns into an auditory hallucination of loud and violent noises and physical pressure or pain in the head. It usually only lasts a few seconds, but when you are in that state of mind sometimes it feels much longer. Eventually your body gets wise to the fact that you are awake and you snap out of it. But it can be a bit of a traumatic experience the first few times, especially if you have no idea what SP even is.

I'm not telling you any of this to frighten you, but merely so that you are aware. I think that knowledge is power...and if you enter into a bad SP experience knowing that...although it feels as though you are suffocating you're actually getting plenty of oxygen, the shadows and weird noises are merely hallucinations and cannot harm you, and the loud pounding in your ears is just your own heart beat...then perhaps you will be able to remain calm and wait for the paralysis to subside...or even attempt to use it as a means to enter a new lucid dream.

The above description of course is typically only for the sort of SP that you unexpectedly wake up into after a REM period. The sort of SP that you experience during a WILD attempt is usually much less frightening than waking up into SP in the middle of the night.

Originally Posted by Jay12341235

My statement about half the forum wasn't directed at you. I made it sound like it was on accident!

Most people experience a heavy feeling, obviously a feeling of paralysis, and experience both audio and visual hallucinations. Again, the most important part is paralysis, but like you said, you didn't check.

To say it's sleep paralysis would be a guess, but it sounds like you were at least close.

No problem I've been here for little over a month and I've seen how it goes around here in that time, people asking the same ignorant questions over and over because they've apparently never heard of a search function or anything:p
I did have something weird right before the vibrations started though, I heard songs. Generic radiostuff (which is strange considering I never listen to radio), but as I tried to focus on these songs it turned out to be gibberish...

Originally Posted by Aquanina

First...when were you attempting to WILD?

From my own experiences, I'd say that the vibrations are not equivalent to Sleep Paralysis...but seem to be a physical sensation that often occurs at the same time as SP or perhaps as a consequence of SP, while the body and mind prepare to enter or exit the dream state. However the vibrations are not always present during SP, and just because you are experiencing SP that does not mean you will necessarily be experiencing the vibrations as well.

By drinking alot of water before I went to bed I found out that there's a cycle ending at about 5AM. So that's when I try to WILD when doing it during the night. The problem is that even though I've just been up to go to the bathroom, using that time to prepare myself mentally, I can start off any technique and just black out into sleep a couple minutes into it:p
Which is annoying.
Staying up longer isn't really an option too as I've got a pretty busy life going on at the moment, and it seems that staying up longer will do just the opposite, namely keeping me awake for too long. So there's this balance I need to find, and then it'll work out just fine
Didn't expect this to be easy anyway, so hey, I got plenty of patience

Thank you both for the answers!

By the way, nice job following up on really old ideas! Six years later and you've finally mastered it!

http://www.dreamviews.com/f13/re-cre...sible-ld-7201/

for those who have experience of sp, id like to ask you something. can you be in sp, completely paralysed in your physical body, yet also aware of your dream body while it moves around in a dream? almost as if you are a puppet in the dream because you are trying to focus on your physical body when you should just let go and explore the dream?..

Originally Posted by GMoney

By the way, nice job following up on really old ideas! Six years later and you've finally mastered it!

http://www.dreamviews.com/f13/re-cre...sible-ld-7201/

Way to dig up the past lol. I haven't mastered anything.

So yesterday i got to the vibrational state but did not enter a LD, instead i layed there for what seemed like 5 to 10 minutes. The vibration in my head built up to the point where it was too much, i could hear and feel what seemed like a water bublling sound in my brain ( like a sack of water about to burst) and i kinda got scared as i have never felt the vibration that stong so at that point i opened my eyes. That does prove however that i was not in SP. Any idea if that is normal? and also tips on what i should do to control or calm the vibrations down? Thanks!

Originally Posted by youngjedi

So yesterday i got to the vibrational state but did not enter a LD, instead i layed there for what seemed like 5 to 10 minutes. The vibration in my head built up to the point where it was too much, i could hear and feel what seemed like a water bublling sound in my brain ( like a sack of water about to burst) and i kinda got scared as i have never felt the vibration that stong so at that point i opened my eyes. That does prove however that i was not in SP. Any idea if that is normal? and also tips on what i should do to control or calm the vibrations down? Thanks!

Actually it doesn't prove anything. You can move your eyes (hence the term REM = rapid eye movement) and open your eyelids in sleep paralysis. I have done it many times in fact. So it is likely that you were indeed in SP. Sometimes the vibrational state correlates with certain aspects of SP and HI to create hallucinations, or, as I think you were experiencing, just a really strong awareness of normal physiological occurrences in the body. I notice that in that transitional state, I will often get a pounding in my head, and I have noticed that it correlates with the blood pumping through my head, especially past the ears. Your awareness is internalized during SP, so normal body functions which typically pass beyond your notice suddenly present themselves in very odd ways. But what you experience could also have to do with a blockage in one of your chakras, if you want to look at it metaphysically. I've experienced a similar "exploding head" sort of scenario in regards to the vibrational state when I wake up into SP in the middle of the night. It's not so much the vibrations that I notice...but the fact that my head is throbbing like crazy and feels like it's going to explode. I have yet to figure out what this "exploding head" shit is about, but it is very disturbing when it occurs, and I'd like to know what causes it. It's one of those things that scientists need to spend more time investigating imo. I have been able to turn these episodes into lucid dreams on a few occasions, but usually when it occurs I'm lucky just to wake up and make it stop.

Exploding head syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by Aquanina

Actually it doesn't prove anything. You can move your eyes (hence the term REM = rapid eye movement) and open your eyelids in sleep paralysis. I have done it many times in fact. So it is likely that you were indeed in SP. Sometimes the vibrational state correlates with certain aspects of SP and HI to create hallucinations, or, as I think you were experiencing, just a really strong awareness of normal physiological occurrences in the body. I notice that in that transitional state, I will often get a pounding in my head, and I have noticed that it correlates with the blood pumping through my head, especially past the ears. Your awareness is internalized during SP, so normal body functions which typically pass beyond your notice suddenly present themselves in very odd ways. But what you experience could also have to do with a blockage in one of your chakras, if you want to look at it metaphysically. I've experienced a similar "exploding head" sort of scenario in regards to the vibrational state when I wake up into SP in the middle of the night. It's not so much the vibrations that I notice...but the fact that my head is throbbing like crazy and feels like it's going to explode. I have yet to figure out what this "exploding head" shit is about, but it is very disturbing when it occurs, and I'd like to know what causes it. It's one of those things that scientists need to spend more time investigating imo. I have been able to turn these episodes into lucid dreams on a few occasions, but usually when it occurs I'm lucky just to wake up and make it stop.

Exploding head syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

My bad, I meant i was able to open them and move my body right away. All 4 of my LD's started from this state but this time it was very different. I believe that you are right though, it is due to a blockage i have and need to resolve. Thanks!