Thread: Quickly Transition From Vibrations to LD

Ok so this method worked for me again last night. I was stuck in the vibrational state with the head pounding thing going on. Right away I could sense the slow deep delta vibrations reverberating throughout my entire brain. So I merely focused my attention as though I were trying to stare out through the top of my forehead. Right away that same place...I'm assuming in the prefrontal cortex...starting buzzing away and vibrating extremely fast. Much faster than the rest of my brain was vibrating. In a matter of seconds, the faster vibration took over and I was inside a lucid dream. I'm starting to feel pretty confident that this is a very real physiological effect that occurs naturally, and becoming aware of it can help to more quickly enter the dream state.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

Ok so this method worked for me again last night. I was stuck in the vibrational state with the head pounding thing going on. Right away I could sense the slow deep delta vibrations reverberating throughout my entire brain. So I merely focused my attention as though I were trying to stare out through the top of my forehead. Right away that same place...I'm assuming in the prefrontal cortex...starting buzzing away and vibrating extremely fast. Much faster than the rest of my brain was vibrating. In a matter of seconds, the faster vibration took over and I was inside a lucid dream. I'm starting to feel pretty confident that this is a very real physiological effect that occurs naturally, and becoming aware of it can help to more quickly enter the dream state.

That is step by step what works best for me to enter a WILD. Great explanation!

I have a VERY similar experience, although mine happens when I am about to WILD.
Just this night, I woke up at 6 and felt extremely tired. I turned on my side and focused on the same part of my brain, and suddenly I was plunged into SP.
It came with the feeling of the front of my head being "pulled" into nothing. Then the vibrations, the sounds, and eventually the dream.

I'm very confused. I have been in SP many times, but i have yet to feel these vibrations.

What's up?

Maybe not everyone gets them?

Originally Posted by Aquanina

Maybe not everyone gets them?

Sadly, you may be right.

Getting into SP isn't much of a problem for me anymore, I just can't figure out how to transition >.<

Worked for me last night during one of my three WILDs (the only I tried it on). The vibrations hit and I redirected them to the spot in the brain I was messing with before; the results were immediate and impressive.

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

Worked for me last night during one of my three WILDs (the only I tried it on). The vibrations hit and I redirected them to the spot in the brain I was messing with before; the results were immediate and impressive.

Mzzkc, could you please explain to me when these vibration occur?

-Thanks.

I would guestimate around the same time REM atonia kicks in. Maybe a little before then, but it's hard to tell.

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

I would guestimate around the same time REM atonia kicks in. Maybe a little before then, but it's hard to tell.

I'm not to familiar with REM atonia, when does that occur?
Sorry to ask all of these questions, I just really want to find a way to have WILD's.

Right at the start of REM, near the end of your second instance of N1 sleep for that phase.

Ok , now I'm still a beginner so does this method require a pre sleep before inducing. Because I was trying 30 minutes ago and first the vibrations started in my hands and feet then worked up to my to my waist and my elbows.h Then they stopped moving. I also felt a very intense vibration near my penis area. I think I also felt a very light vibration in my head and I tried to move it upwards and I think it worked but It didn't induce a ld and I didn't hear any "thumping" or "buzzing".
Am I not using the right technique?

Originally Posted by Tripoli

Ok , now I'm still a beginner so does this method require a pre sleep before inducing. Because I was trying 30 minutes ago and first the vibrations started in my hands and feet then worked up to my to my waist and my elbows.h Then they stopped moving. I also felt a very intense vibration near my penis area. I think I also felt a very light vibration in my head and I tried to move it upwards and I think it worked but It didn't induce a ld and I didn't hear any "thumping" or "buzzing".
Am I not using the right technique?

Also I don't think I was in SP because I have never experienced it and I was still able to move.

You were feeling tingles from your body going numb. Those are NOT the vibrations. It would seem that someone has been giving out misinformation because a lot of people seem to think that these tingles are synonymous with vibrations. Did you read about vibrations in a tutorial here? If so, can you link me to that tutorial?

OK. This is a somewhat awkward place to introduce myself, but I've been been experiencing these "vibrations" you are all referring to (and they most certainly seem to be the vibrations) several times a week, if not on a nightly basis, for quite some time now... mostly after waking at certain points throughout the night or in the early morning. Needless to say, the sensation was a little disconcerting at first, but I've been trying to do some research and get a handle on what they are and why they have been happening ever since. It seems I've finally come to the right place.

Anyway - now that how I happened across these forums has been clarified (LOL), I guess I'm looking for some advice on where to go from here. I'm not sure I've ever become completely lucid in a dream (but am obviously interested in the concept) although I have had some vivid ones as of late, and the vibrations just randomly started up about a year ago and have continued on and off at various intensities and frequency since. In the past couple days I've also been familiarizing myself with the site (albeit not new to vB or forums) and reading through a few threads as time allows, yet keep finding myself coming back to this one as it seems to contain the best overall description of what I've been experiencing. I even attempted just this morning to "redirect" my vibrations to the localized area indicated by Aquanina, and while I feel I had at least some success in doing so (and further believe I was able to tweak their "frequency" to some extent once they reached their destination), I honestly wasn't quite sure if I was in SP or not as it felt like if I had consciously willed myself to move I would have been able to. Either way, I was even less sure of where to go from there as it was the first time I'd ever felt in "control" of them whatsoever (which was admittedly a good feeling in itself), and the last thing I recall was consciously thinking about attempting to remain "alert" through the transition point of falling back to sleep, but I guess it simply didn't happen this time around.

So does anyone have any "beginner" (although at this point, I certainly feel I'm closer than some here... be that by will or simply circumstance) advice to offer? Any specific tips or insight as to how to progress to the next step to try would be greatly appreciated.

DZT...Hi! I'm glad you joined and that the thread has been of some help so far. I am just off to bed though and will definitely write a proper response in the morning. Just wanted to welcome you to the forum real quick.

Originally Posted by DZT

OK. This is a somewhat awkward place to introduce myself, but I've been been experiencing these "vibrations" you are all referring to (and they most certainly seem to be the vibrations) several times a week, if not on a nightly basis, for quite some time now... mostly after waking at certain points throughout the night or in the early morning. Needless to say, the sensation was a little disconcerting at first, but I've been trying to do some research and get a handle on what they are and why they have been happening ever since. It seems I've finally come to the right place.

It is most certainly disconcerting when you first experience the vibrations. I remember the first time I experienced them during a WILD attempt. I had read on the forums about the vibrational state, but I was certainly not prepared for the intensity, and was completely astonished that my entire body could be overcome with such a strong sense of unmistakable vibration. You said that you wake up into these vibrations often, do you also wake up into sleep paralysis much? Where you wake from a dream and are completely paralyzed for awhile. I only ask because I'm interested to find out if you are one of those chronic SP sufferers. But you may be the first person I've ever spoken to who has experienced the vibrational state, and especially so often, without ever having a lucid dream!

I guess I'm looking for some advice on where to go from here. I'm not sure I've ever become completely lucid in a dream (but am obviously interested in the concept) although I have had some vivid ones as of late, and the vibrations just randomly started up about a year ago and have continued on and off at various intensities and frequency since....I even attempted just this morning to "redirect" my vibrations to the localized area indicated by Aquanina, and while I feel I had at least some success in doing so (and further believe I was able to tweak their "frequency" to some extent once they reached their destination), I honestly wasn't quite sure if I was in SP or not as it felt like if I had consciously willed myself to move I would have been able to. Either way, I was even less sure of where to go from there as it was the first time I'd ever felt in "control" of them whatsoever (which was admittedly a good feeling in itself), and the last thing I recall was consciously thinking about attempting to remain "alert" through the transition point of falling back to sleep, but I guess it simply didn't happen this time around.

I think that first you need to explore trying to become lucid more. It's possible that since you've been experiencing these vibrations for so long, and never really understood them, you may have trained yourself to try to ignore them and just return to sleep? I mean, what normally happens when you experience them? Do you just tell yourself to make them go away? To go back to sleep? If that is the case, then you can very well train yourself to start working with them, as you have already attempted. But it might take some work before you are actually able to use them to enter a lucid dream. I'm a bit unsure of how to instruct you, because I worry that you're attempting to walk before you can crawl. At the same time I wonder that since you already experience the vibrational state so naturally, it may quite possibly be easier for you to have a lucid dream. But you haven't thus far. Which is rather curious. This is why I think you would benefit from starting simply, with keeping a dream journal, and practicing things like reality checks. At the same time though, you shouldn't stop trying to use the vibrational state to become lucid. You just need to practice HOW to become lucid. How to hold onto that awareness until you arrive in a dream. That is the key point. I'd advise you to read through the newbie section about where to start. You would benefit from reading about both DILD and WILD actually. And DEILD.

Oh and one more thing. The vibrational state happens in SP. It occurs right before the transition into the dream state, and it would be impossible to enter the dream state unless you were in full SP. The mind just would not proceed into the dream if this were not the case.

Thanks for the reply (and warm welcome).

And yeah - I agree with you that I'm basically trying to walk before I can crawl, except that I'm not completely unfamiliar with the basics nor the various methods of induction as I did some moderate research into LD, OOBE, and even AP when I first started experiencing the vibrations well over a year ago. I wasn't at the best spot in my life at the time, however, and against my better judgement, allowed my GP to put me on Cymbalta for a while; TERRIBLE stuff (in my case, at least). It did, however, minimize (or all but eliminate) the vibrations while I was on it, so I kind of wrote them off as anxiety related. I have since quit my SNRI regimen, though, and just like clockwork, the vibration episodes have now returned, and while I initially had attached a negative association to them, at this point I've become rather comfortable with the idea and feeling and am looking to possibly embrace them for what they very well may be (instead of just going back to sleep in spite of them, as is usually the case - LOL). Being able to actually control them sounds to be an even better option, though, and perhaps that's why I became intrigued by your concept of redirecting them in the first place.

And just to clarify with further description, when they first started I honestly thought the washing machine was off-balance and causing the entire house, the waterbed I sleep on, and obviously myself to shake (or vibrate) ever so slightly. That was not the case, however, and after continuing to attempt to find other any other external sources that might be responsible, I decided it ultimately felt internal (and quite possibly electrical), leading me to concerns about palpitations, atrial fib, or some other medical issue. Apparently not the case, either.

Now as far as SP is concerned, while I understand the concept, I'm not quite sure if I actually wake up in it or not, or if I'm even in it during the vibrations I'm feeling. I realize that by definition and purpose I should be, but I often wake up to the vibrations and then physically roll onto my side (where the vibrations seem the strongest), briefly pausing them as I do only to have them return stronger once I relax again. Also, as I lie there experiencing them, I feel as if I could consciously will myself to move my physical body if I wanted to, but have not actually made the attempt to do so as far as I know (other than to initially reposition myself). I did, after having successfully redirected the vibes to my frontal lobe the other morning, have a feeling of being pulled "down" mentally (almost as if being pulled into a dream), but am not sure what happened from that point forward as I do not recall dreaming at all. I guess I just fell back asleep without remaining alert through the transition period? Perhaps I should have been focusing on something other than controlling the vibrations at that point? Either way, I also don't seem to have any extended periods of not being able to move after waking, so I wouldn't think I suffer from chronic SP.

Now when I do remember my dreams, my recall seems to be excellent in regards to details and thesort, and most are extremely vivid (especially my WBTB dreams). I have not, however, become lucid to the best of my recollection, and have certainly not been able to control the lucidity if I have. Close to the first maybe... but no cigar as of yet, as I seem to be "stuck" in the vibrational stage at the moment. As such, I guess maybe I'm just looking for recommendations on some of the best (or easiest) processes and/or tutorials to assist in making it through that transitional period while remaining aware... for while I fully intend to work on DILD and DEILD techniques as well, I don't want to pass on an opportunity to WILD if possible since I seem to be currently be closer (and have more potential chances) via that method than any other.

Thanks again for the help and suggestions!

I think you might be on to something weird here nina I tried something last night and came up with a strange result.

Conditions: very tired since I'm in the middle of my exams, no pre-sleep.

I went to bed around midnight and needed something to calm down because there was no way I was going to get sleep anytime soon with a hurricane of thoughts running through my mind, so I decided to meditate a bit first. After about 15 minutes I managed to get the inside of my head to shut up. As I was lying there, I decided to focus on the spot in my head. The way I do this is, I try to look at the back of my forehead(with my eyes closed), towards the place this spot is located, and yesterday I paired it with a visualisation of plugging in/switching it on.
With immediate results I started hearing a pulsing sound inside of my head, kinda like thetawave sound, and it came together with a feeling of some kind of pressure too. After about 20 seconds I also started to feel mild vibrations (not the numb/tingly feeling you get from lying still too long, but the vibrations discussed in this thread, only calmer) but these didn't really get much stronger. And then about 10 seconds later, hypnagogics. Flashes and colours first, then it seemed the blackness was ripped open and I saw more stuff (amongst which some pyramids, don't ask me why.)

Unfortunately I hadn't really planned for anything like this to happen so I found myself in a really uncomfortable position, and as soon as I moved it all went away. The first few attempts at bringing it back were unsuccesful, after a while I got the pulsing sound back but no vibrations and only mild HI. I don't think it would've gotten me into a lucid... But it sure is something to further look in to I don't know if it has been said in this thread already or not, but does anyone have an idea what exactly might be positioned at that spot in the brain? Because it seems it's actually quite easy to manipulate and it makes for some awesome results...

I made this very same discovery a few months ago. I've been DEILDing a lot easier ever since!

Thanks for posting!

To those of you who experience these vibrations, do you think it has any relevance to the Vehram Energy System? The system describes vibrations similar to what you guys are talking about.

Originally Posted by DZT

Now as far as SP is concerned, while I understand the concept, I'm not quite sure if I actually wake up in it or not, or if I'm even in it during the vibrations I'm feeling. I realize that by definition and purpose I should be, but I often wake up to the vibrations and then physically roll onto my side (where the vibrations seem the strongest), briefly pausing them as I do only to have them return stronger once I relax again. Also, as I lie there experiencing them, I feel as if I could consciously will myself to move my physical body if I wanted to, but have not actually made the attempt to do so as far as I know (other than to initially reposition myself). I did, after having successfully redirected the vibes to my frontal lobe the other morning, have a feeling of being pulled "down" mentally (almost as if being pulled into a dream), but am not sure what happened from that point forward as I do not recall dreaming at all. I guess I just fell back asleep without remaining alert through the transition period? Perhaps I should have been focusing on something other than controlling the vibrations at that point? Either way, I also don't seem to have any extended periods of not being able to move after waking, so I wouldn't think I suffer from chronic SP.

Now when I do remember my dreams, my recall seems to be excellent in regards to details and thesort, and most are extremely vivid (especially my WBTB dreams). I have not, however, become lucid to the best of my recollection, and have certainly not been able to control the lucidity if I have. Close to the first maybe... but no cigar as of yet, as I seem to be "stuck" in the vibrational stage at the moment. As such, I guess maybe I'm just looking for recommendations on some of the best (or easiest) processes and/or tutorials to assist in making it through that transitional period while remaining aware... for while I fully intend to work on DILD and DEILD techniques as well, I don't want to pass on an opportunity to WILD if possible since I seem to be currently be closer (and have more potential chances) via that method than any other.

Thanks again for the help and suggestions!

Regarding SP...that's good that you don't wake up into it. If you had, you would certainly know. I've been lucid dreaming for over 10 years now and it still freaks me out sometimes when I wake up into SP in the middle of the night. It's surprising that you would be able to physically move during the vibrational state, but I suspect that since they pause when you actually roll over and then start up again...that you are indeed leaving and reentering the vibrational state, and also sleep paralysis.

When you wake up at a certain point in your REM cycle, you are almost guaranteed to return to the vibrational state immediately. This is a key state in becoming lucid, and what usually always causes my lucidity in the middle of the night. I think this happens when you wake up after a period of NREM (non-REM) and you are scheduled to enter REM. Usually people don't wake up after an NREM period. Usually they wake up after a REM period, which is typically why those dreams are much easier to remember. Point being...that the vibrations happen just before the dream in REM sleep.

I suspect that it is the vibrations that actually wake you up (as they do me). This is a wonderful natural ability to have, because it means that you have a natural alarm to alert you of when you are going to be entering the dream state! Perhaps some people just naturally experience the vibrations more intensely than others? Are you a relatively light sleeper like me? That could also have a lot to do with it. Usually people will set their alarms to go off at times in the night to attempt to wake just before a REM period, because as I said, most people do not wake from non-REM to REM...but only after REM. By then, their chance of getting lucid (for that REM period) has passed, and they'll have to wait for the next one. Here's an image of the sleep states to give a better description of what I'm talking about.



Yes, I would highly recommend you try WILD. When you wake up from the vibrations in the night...try to WILD...you're already 90% of the way there! Just DO NOT MOVE after waking. So that you remain in sleep paralysis and then all you need to do is wait through the vibrational state, and the hypnagogic state and then land inside your first lucid dream! Good luck! And let us know how it goes with the WILD attempt.

Originally Posted by Ayanizz

I went to bed around midnight and needed something to calm down because there was no way I was going to get sleep anytime soon with a hurricane of thoughts running through my mind, so I decided to meditate a bit first. After about 15 minutes I managed to get the inside of my head to shut up. As I was lying there, I decided to focus on the spot in my head. The way I do this is, I try to look at the back of my forehead(with my eyes closed), towards the place this spot is located, and yesterday I paired it with a visualisation of plugging in/switching it on.
With immediate results I started hearing a pulsing sound inside of my head, kinda like thetawave sound, and it came together with a feeling of some kind of pressure too. After about 20 seconds I also started to feel mild vibrations (not the numb/tingly feeling you get from lying still too long, but the vibrations discussed in this thread, only calmer) but these didn't really get much stronger. And then about 10 seconds later, hypnagogics. Flashes and colours first, then it seemed the blackness was ripped open and I saw more stuff (amongst which some pyramids, don't ask me why.)

Unfortunately I hadn't really planned for anything like this to happen so I found myself in a really uncomfortable position, and as soon as I moved it all went away. The first few attempts at bringing it back were unsuccesful, after a while I got the pulsing sound back but no vibrations and only mild HI. I don't think it would've gotten me into a lucid... But it sure is something to further look in to I don't know if it has been said in this thread already or not, but does anyone have an idea what exactly might be positioned at that spot in the brain? Because it seems it's actually quite easy to manipulate and it makes for some awesome results...

Please keep us updated on any progress you have! Yeah I've even been playing around with it even more, just during meditation...and when I do that...I start hallucinating! Like, seeing hypnagogic sort of imagery. It's pretty amazing. As far as I know, it's just the prefrontal cortex...but it could be several things. Maybe you guys can help me figure it out. This could eventually turn into a really cool research paper and project, possibly even get published. If I were to start a thread in the research forum about vibrations, dreaming, and areas of the brain, would you guys be interested in participating?

Originally Posted by XeL

I made this very same discovery a few months ago. I've been DEILDing a lot easier ever since!

Thanks for posting!

Awesome.

Originally Posted by MindGames

To those of you who experience these vibrations, do you think it has any relevance to the Vehram Energy System? The system describes vibrations similar to what you guys are talking about.

Never heard of it, could you give a brief summary of what it's all about?

The Vehram Energy System is basically this system of energy that some guy discovered, and wrote about it, then sold it in a $10 PDF. It can be used to quickly induce out of body experiences, although I don't know if he's ever used the system to induce the same type of lucid dreams you guys are talking about. I did send him an e-mail to see if he could replicate the results you're describing. If he can, then it's possible that others could learn how to induce the vibrations and induce lucid dreams with that method.

It consists of 6 orbs of energy, which I think are located above, below, in front, behind, and to the left and right of the body. These orbs of energy are accessible from within sleep paralysis, and for some people the orbs expand and cause the energy to envelop the body. If you touch one of the orbs with your astral body (I assume this means if you imagine your arm touching the orb), you're supposed to get a pretty intense shock. Supposedly the orbs are what binds consciousness to the physical and astral bodies. I'm skeptical of out of body experiences but that's how the author describes the system. You can check out the description at vehram.com, and the author participated in open discussion of the system in this thread: The Vehram System is truly brilliant!



If these vibrational energies are the same thing, then we may just have a quick and easy WILD technique on our hands.

Oh. Great. So that way, he can try to make even more money from MY technique.

Just from what you've described, he sounds a bit...off.