Jeff777's Free-falling WILD technique!

**glucose** · 06-23-2011 01:42 PM

So I tried it this morn. I woke up, went to the loo, came back to bed. Lay on my side for a while and looked out for illogical thought. I think I fell asleep, but I woke up a few minutes later and noticed those chaos thoughts. At that point I lay on my back (with my head on it's side) and started to take deeper/longer breaths. I was at this for probably 10 minutes before I noticed a tingling starting in my lower limbs and moving up through my body. I've felt this many times before when trying to WILD, but I do think this was the quickest I've got there. However, this is where I've always got stuck.

I feel SP starting to come over me, but at that point my breathing starts getting a bit stuttered (when it was perfectly smooth before I felt the tingling) and my body feels like it's getting a hot flush (I've heard this is a sign of impending SP). However, I think possibly due to my excitement, my body remains in this state for aaaaaaaages. I feel my body is tingling, I get waves of heat, my breath stutters every now and again but that's it. I can't seem to progress to full SP (which I'm definitely not in cos if I try and move a finger it feels a bit stiff but it still moves).

Any advice on this issue? I did feel my eyes move around a fair bit during my stuttered breath, even though I didn't see any HI. It's quite frustrating because I've been in that state so many times, but never has it fully taken me into SP.

As I mentioned before though, Jeff, I'm pretty sure this was the quickest I've ever got that far, which means the practise will be a lot more effective, so thank you!!

and thanks in advance for any advice

**AndresLD** · 06-23-2011 07:27 PM

This morning I put an alarm at 7:00. I woke up, hit snooze, and decided to try WILD right away. Chaos thoughts came in as soon as I closed my eyes, and I was completely aware when SP hit me. I made the transition into the dream, stood up in my dream bed, did a RC, and found out my nose was stuffed (had trouble breathing), and for some reason I decided to go back to bed.

**quorthonafull** · 06-25-2011 02:06 AM

Having problems with the alarm (again).

**LucidDreamGod** · 06-25-2011 04:48 AM

This sounds really similiar to an idea that I used to have called "mind melting". Where I would just think about whatever came to mind first no matter how crazy it was, and just go from there. It did lead me to sp after 8 minutes one time after a wbtb but I didn't transition successfully, probably because I was too excited.

**VladP** · 06-25-2011 08:57 PM

I have a little problem with the Chaos part...
Right after I lay down I begin to have illogical thoughts. This doesn't happen only when I lay down, though. When I do maths during the day I think of apples, lions and a lot other things. This happens with ANYTHING I do. I am writing this right now, but I'm not thinking about it, I think about stars, play buttons and carnivorous apples. In fact, I think of carnivorous apples all the time. That why my avatar is one.
And no, the thing about apples is not a joke.

**Jeff777** · 06-26-2011 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by VladP

I have a little problem with the Chaos part...
Right after I lay down I begin to have illogical thoughts. This doesn't happen only when I lay down, though. When I do maths during the day I think of apples, lions and a lot other things. This happens with ANYTHING I do. I am writing this right now, but I'm not thinking about it, I think about stars, play buttons and carnivorous apples. In fact, I think of carnivorous apples all the time. That why my avatar is one.
And no, the thing about apples is not a joke.

You just have an active imagination.. or ADHD

. That's different from when the part of your brain controlling logic and reasoning is "shutting down".

**Electronium** · 06-29-2011 05:49 AM

I believe I had my first WILD with this technique.

I was having a strange dream that I decided to wake up from this morning. It was early and I was still drowsy, so I went back to sleep. I thought randomly of your avatar, Jeff, and that got me holding on to consciousness a bit more. I don't remember a thing of the process, but I quickly got into the dream and was lucid from the start! This dream also happened to last longer than my typical 2-minute lucids, so I have to thank you.

One question, though. What do you do to keep from paying too much attention to your images without ignoring them completely? If I could figure that out, I may be able to get more into the technique and actually have lucid dreams more often.

Thanks.

**quorthonafull** · 06-30-2011 12:17 AM

I fell asleep when trying last time...

**LCB** · 07-03-2011 02:09 AM

This is a good guide, but I have a question. When letting my mind wander, does that mean I can't think at all or something? I mean, whenever I try to let my mind wander I end up thinking about something else and throw off my course. The most I got out of this without thinking of anything was seeing extremely faint images of swirling blue and green colors. That's it. If anyone can help, please reply. :c

**Raish** · 07-11-2011 01:19 AM

ive been trying this madly, every night. but i cant figure out what you mean by "illogical thoughts."
and the problem is when i let my mind "unwind" i always start getting pressured and begin winding up more.

how do i fix this? this seems like a great method, i just cant seem to fall asleep with it. i always give up, and just fall asleep normally.

**andante** · 07-16-2011 02:12 PM

This WILD technique is amazing. I had 2 LDs in the last 2 days, and this morning I had i LD through wild and chain 6 more LDs through DEILD. Before practicing this technique i had only 2 LD through WILD. I totally recommend this technique. Thank you Jeff!

**andante** · 07-17-2011 01:06 PM

I had another LD this morning using this technique, 4 WILDs in 4 days!To induce hypnagogia i mentally chant the hooponopono mantra, in 10 min i go to a very deep meditative state, then i roll to my side i stop chanting and focus on breathing properly. In 5-10 min i am lucid dreaming. The hooponopono mantra for me works every single time do transform a nightmare DC into a DC aligned with my true core being. I just have to chant 2-3 times to the DC and its done!

**Sugabombs** · 07-18-2011 12:11 PM

I did this last night and it really worked(I got too scared when I entered SP though)! Thanks a lot for sharing this tutorial!!

**rynkrt3** · 07-21-2011 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by andante

I had another LD this morning using this technique, 4 WILDs in 4 days!To induce hypnagogia i mentally chant the hooponopono mantra, in 10 min i go to a very deep meditative state, then i roll to my side i stop chanting and focus on breathing properly. In 5-10 min i am lucid dreaming. The hooponopono mantra for me works every single time do transform a nightmare DC into a DC aligned with my true core being. I just have to chant 2-3 times to the DC and its done!

What is hooponopono mantra?

**andante** · 07-21-2011 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by rynkrt3

What is hooponopono mantra?

I am sorry Please forgive me I love you I thank you.

**rynkrt3** · 07-21-2011 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by andante

I am sorry Please forgive me I love you I thank you.

How does that help produce HI?

**FireDevil** · 07-21-2011 10:08 PM

I was thinking about this technique the other day and I was pondering the idea of how much easier a nap time WILD would be with this technique. I don't know about you guys, but I am never able to relax enough or clear my mind during an attempt at a nap WILD. This technique would make it much easier for me because I wouldn't have to really think about clearing my mind because I can just let the 'chaos' roll on in. And with this kind of WILD you are basically just using the bodies remedy of falling asleep except you are concious while doing it, and when I'm napping I pretty much just want to fall asleep and this allows me to do it because I don't really have to put much thought into the process. Thanks for this technique Jeff and I will hopefully try this tonight, as well as tomorrow during a nap.

**rynkrt3** · 07-22-2011 02:00 PM

Tried this during a WBTB last night.

I woke up, went to the restroom then lay back down. I did reverse blinking for a minute or two thn chaos started to roll in fast, I was falling deep, I then re adjusted to my back. Started slow semi deep breathing for a few minutes until it became more natural. I was feeling very relaxed, I started to count my exhales, restarting when I got to 10. I must have done that for 20 minutes then just gave up.

Did I make some big mistake?

Edit: while counting my exhales my hands and feet were numb, not tingles but they were numb, not paralyzed though.

**FireDevil** · 07-22-2011 02:13 PM

I had the same thing happen to me rynkrt3. I was doing a WBTB and I got up stretched a bit and hopped back into bed. I could feel the illogical thoughts just running rampantly inside my mind. I had my legs and arms go numb because of just staying in one position for a while and not much happened afterwards. I then switched to manually deep breathing and then allowing the body to take over. This worked, but I couldn't make any progress to onset the sleep paralysis.

**rynkrt3** · 07-22-2011 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by FireDevil

I had the same thing happen to me rynkrt3. I was doing a WBTB and I got up stretched a bit and hopped back into bed. I could feel the illogical thoughts just running rampantly inside my mind. I had my legs and arms go numb because of just staying in one position for a while and not much happened afterwards. I then switched to manually deep breathing and then allowing the body to take over. This worked, but I couldn't make any progress to onset the sleep paralysis.

Sounds like my experience in a nutshell.

**Dreamer4127** · 07-22-2011 09:28 PM

1. Do you have your eyes open or closed for this?

2. Can this be used before falling asleep instead of WBTB?
Thanks

**FireDevil** · 07-22-2011 10:08 PM

hopefully closed unless you sleep with your eyes open :p And if you are to use it before a wake back to bed it is usually just to get used to the technique. But, with any WILD it is best with a WBTB if you are going for a lucid dream.

**rynkrt3** · 07-23-2011 03:43 PM

Jeff777, I know you probably wont respond to this but I have a question. How long do I let chaos happen before I stop it and do the breathing? I have been stopping it as soon as I notice it, is that wrong? Should I let it happen for longer?

**andante** · 07-23-2011 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by rynkrt3

How does that help produce HI?

If you chant a mantra for a few minutes and concentrate only chanting the mantra, you will achieve a very deep relax state of being, and in that state of being HI is natural induce. You can try it and see if it works for you!

**rynkrt3** · 07-23-2011 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by andante

If you chant a mantra for a few minutes and concentrate only chanting the mantra, you will achieve a very deep relax state of being, and in that state of being HI is natural induce. You can try it and see if it works for you!

I'll give it a go.

Thanks