Thread: Jeff777's Free-falling WILD technique!

Originally Posted by cyberetah

Can someone perhaps give a quick example of what an illogical thought would be? I want to make sure I have the right idea before going in, so that I don't just see something I THINK qualifies but doesn't actually.

I'll, for example, start off with a thought, and if someone would give an example of how it would become "illogical" or "chaotic", it'd be great.
Thought: I'm going out of school to pick up my brother. When I reach his school, I start heading home."
It's a very basic thought, feel free to add any details and describe in what way it would become "chaotic".

I'll answer your question just in case no one else has. so basicaly an illogical thought is a thought that that wasn't created by you willfully at a conscious level. you will be ale to tell at times because when one occures, you'll notice that you did not make that thought, it will be a WTF moment when you notice and usually when you realize it, they fade. There not really illogical parse, there just random thoughts that pop up without your conscious consent. the illogical part comes in because usually they have nothing to do with what you were thinking or it takes a completely different path from your original thought.


like in your example, you think of picking your brother up, you reach the school and then picture yourself walking back, you imagine crossing a road and then suddenly a random guy comes to your face and says "DO NOT QUESTION MY MUSCULANITY BITCH!" and then you wake up thinking WTF! "I didn't think that" and then the image will disappear. you will sometimes notice random voices which sound real and loud. much louder than your inner voice. think of the voices your hear in a movie about schitzophrenia, it's kinda like that. you might not even notice it right away. I remember one time when I didn't even intend to sleep, I was only resting my eyes for a bit, a memeory from my trip to a water park came up and I was thinking about something funny that happened in the water. I was conscious of my body but all of a sudden the whole thing became 3D when this wave all of a sudden came over my head which nearly gave me a heart attack. I thought I was still conscious at the moment but that wave felt freakishly real. Another thing is when you get deep in the hypnogogic images or illogical thoughts, the sounds and scenery will feel much more real and vivid usually scaring you back to square one of the WILD phase. BEWARE of the 3D hypnogocic images when you get random thoughts that suddenly become 3d, thats means you are right on the verge of sleep paralysis but unfortunatly you can still feel your body thus scaring you back to the first phase.

Maybe I got this wrong, but this technique suggests that you start free falling, before you lose control over your body?

Originally Posted by meistersomnius

Maybe I got this wrong, but this technique suggests that you start free falling, before you lose control over your body?

I think it's more like freefalling, and then catching yourself before you lose control

Great guide you got there, tried and... it worked! Really nice method! Thanks.

Thank you. Glad you found it useful.

Beautiful!!!!

Wow that is really interesting and easy technique, this night I will try and post result. ^^

very different outlook. I love it!!

I tried doing this technique during my nap around 5-6 hours after I woke up. I tensed each muscle and then did the 61 point relaxation technique to relax myself. Then I just let my mind wander, catching myself when I got too deep into my thought. After what seemed like almost an hour of doing this, I hadn't gone into SP. However, my body, especially my hands and feet, was very tingley, as if I was in a light form of SP, but not completely under SP. I counted down from 100 multiple times, but it didn't help.

i am sorry, i think someone might asked this question already, but i need to know what do you mean by

noticing illogical images and patterns

? is it like hypnagogia images & patterns? or stronger? or what?

Hmm..The only Wild that has worked for me so far is a pain anchor, because I can literally go to sleep and get lucid. Even so, I have only gotten 2 lucids with the method. How do you stop yourself from falling asleep? If I try Wilds, I'm either too awake, or I just fall asleep. I have never been able to be in-between. I have attempted Wilds over 150 times...

TMN

I did the free fall before I went to bed for practice and then did it on my WBTB I stayed up for a bit chugged a cup of coffee then layed down let my mind free fall well I just kept notes on what my mind was thinking about I rolled to one side after becoming uncomfortable then I had 3 WILD LUCIDS and 1 LUCID FA back to back :-) i love the free fall idea and happy I stumbled upon it! Thx jeff! If anyone is interested in reading my dream its in my workbook on dream views hear ----->http://www.dreamviews.com/intro-clas...ml#post2030711

Thank you Jeff for writing this tutorial. I've been having a dry spell since getting back into lucid dreaming, but after following your guide I've had 4 WILDS so far! Each time I attempt to WILD according to your guide I'm successful and this is really amazing for me since WILDS usually only happen for me very rarely. I think my problem was that previously I would try to keep my mind completely quiet, which resulted in nothing but wasted time. I am so excited that now I can WILD now since it's my favorite induction technique as it gives me the best clarity and I am able to think more logically while in the dream.

every time i try to WILD I either fall asleep (unconsciously) right after I start having hallucinations or i never fall asleep after 2 hours of trying... can someone help me figure this out?!?!

Yo Jeff, I don't even know if you still visit this forum, but I love your guide man. I especially love the weighted jacket idea, god damn brilliant! This definitely added a couple cool ideas to improve my WILDing skills

Hi!
I don't understand what you mean for the Chaos theory step HELP!

Other than that i understand... I want to LD but Ive only had one.

Thanks so much Jeff777, cant wait to try this out tonight. I'm just starting out, but looking forward to giving this a shot!

Thanks for bumping this thread up!! Never seen it before and it looks great.

I have always sort of ignored those illogical thoughts but of course it might just hold the key to a successful WILD, which after 1 year of trying, I have never managed. I wish I had seen this one before...

Originally Posted by Smudgefish

Thanks for bumping this thread up!! Never seen it before and it looks great.

I have always sort of ignored those illogical thoughts but of course it might just hold the key to a successful WILD, which after 1 year of trying, I have never managed. I wish I had seen this one before...

Yeah of course! I tried it last night twice, and got really close! Of course I'm still a beginner, only at this for a few weeks, but my body started waving or vibrating, my head started to feel like it was rolling, and I had this sensation that is difficult to describe, but it felt difficult to breathe normally all of a sudden. I think I need to learn more about SP, cause it feels like I am right there...

PS the illogical thoughts for me were lasting only a few seconds at a time, before another one would pop up. I used that as my trigger to roll onto my back and do the breathing, and then illogical thoughts stopped. So I rolled back onto my side and stopped focusing on my breath and the thoughts came back. I stayed on my side a bit longer and was aware of many more illogical thoughts and rolled back onto my back again and that seemed to help me get deeper toward sleep.