Thread: Swallowing when inducing sleep paralysis

Originally Posted by Coen

I have a yes and a no here now. Which one is correct?
I never read anywhere that you cannot swallow, but just that you should try not to move and should ignore the sensations that tell you you have to roll over, etc. If you do give in you will tell your body that you are awake and no sleep paralysis will be induced. By that logic, swallowing would be moving which would tell your body that you are awake. The reason that I am in doubt is that swallowing is something that happens automatically as well (to my knowledge), so your body may think nosthing of it. Hence the question.

That's the thing. Swallowing also occurs automatically, but it's not the same as intentionally forcing yourself to swallow... i'm sure it affects the attempt of WILD just like other movements. It might take a while, but you can learn to keep yourself from doing it completely while doing WILD.

Originally Posted by littlezoe

That's the thing. Swallowing also occurs automatically, but it's not the same as intentionally forcing yourself to swallow... i'm sure it affects the attempt of WILD just like other movements. It might take a while, but you can learn to keep yourself from doing it completely while doing WILD.

People like this should be banned from the WILD forum. Honestly dude, you don't know what you're talking about.

WILD is something you do while falling asleep. Anything you do when falling asleep normally can be done in a WILD attempt.

Originally Posted by cmind

People like this should be banned from the WILD forum. Honestly dude, you don't know what you're talking about.

WILD is something you do while falling asleep. Anything you do when falling asleep normally can be done in a WILD attempt.

Troll somewhere else. Shhhh.

Originally Posted by littlezoe

Troll somewhere else. Shhhh.

No littlezoe, cmind is correct about the WILD.
WILD is nothing more than mantaining awareness throughout the sleep process until you end up in a dream and realise that it's a dream. Hence Wake Induce Lucid Dream. Inducing sleep paralysis to get to hallucinations is just one method - sleep paralysis isn't even necessary. As long as you maintain awareness and end up in a lucid, it's a WILD.

Originally Posted by fOrceez

No littlezoe, cmind is correct about the WILD.
WILD is nothing more than mantaining awareness throughout the sleep process until you end up in a dream and realise that it's a dream. Hence Wake Induce Lucid Dream. Inducing sleep paralysis to get to hallucinations is just one method - sleep paralysis isn't even necessary. As long as you maintain awareness and end up in a lucid, it's a WILD.

I know well what WILD is. I called him a troll for saying that i should be banned for that... kinda ridiculous.

Oh I know, I was talking about this.

Originally Posted by littlezoe

That's the thing. Swallowing also occurs automatically, but it's not the same as intentionally forcing yourself to swallow... i'm sure it affects the attempt of WILD just like other movements. It might take a while, but you can learn to keep yourself from doing it completely while doing WILD.

That's WILDs don't necessarily restrict swallowing.

Originally Posted by fOrceez

Oh I know, I was talking about this.

That's WILDs don't necessarily restrict swallowing.

Some people believe it doesn't, some believe it does...

Personally i'd say it's better to try WILD-ing without it, just to be sure.
With some practice it's not hard to keep yourself from swallowing without it being a chore...

... and i'm on the opinion that it affects it, since you induce that swallowing directly and it doesn't happen automatically like it should.

Originally Posted by littlezoe

Some people believe it doesn't, some believe it does...

Personally i'd say it's better to try WILD-ing without it, just to be sure.
With some practice it's not hard to keep yourself from swallowing without it being a chore...

... and i'm on the opinion that it affects it, since you induce that swallowing directly and it doesn't happen automatically like it should.

^ You are giving people horrible, demonstrably wrong advice on how to WILD. That's why I said you should be banned from the WILD forum.

The fact is, WILD is about maintaining a thread of awareness while falling asleep, NOT 'forcing' your body to sleep by doing silly things like not swallowing.

Originally Posted by cmind

The fact is, WILD is about maintaining a thread of awareness while falling asleep, NOT 'forcing' your body to sleep by doing silly things like not swallowing.

The more active you are, the more you move is the slower you'll fall asleep.

Try again

Originally Posted by cmind

^ You are giving people horrible, demonstrably wrong advice on how to WILD. That's why I said you should be banned from the WILD forum.

The fact is, WILD is about maintaining a thread of awareness while falling asleep, NOT 'forcing' your body to sleep by doing silly things like not swallowing.

Don't bother, dude.

She operates on the same logic you find in organized religion.

Discussion is impossible because she is unwilling to change or reconsider her viewpoint even in the face of insurmountable evidence and logic. If ever, in my life, I've encountered a genuinely close minded person, she would be it.

For instance, I can point out a direct logical contradiction: "Personally i'd say it's better to try WILD-ing without [swallow]...i'm on the opinion that [swallowing] affects [WILD], since you induce that swallowing directly and it doesn't happen automatically like it should."

And, watch, it won't even register.

It's actually really depressing, because I had high hopes for her when she first hit my radar. =(

At this point, I'm seriously considering breaking out the ignore list (something I've never done before), just so I stop wasting time and energy caring about the development of someone I don't even know.

@Forceez: Thank you for your input on this issue. I've been meaning to have a talk with Sageous concerning some points he brings up in his WILD course. His intentions were good, and I know where he was coming from, but I have some gripes with the teaching method he utilized given his audience and the medium.

Also, don't mind cmind. He's very passionate about the subject, but he's worn out from seeing and addressing the same few pieces of counterproductive advice being repeated in every thread.

On the bright side, there's been some progress these past few years. For instance, the "don't focus on NREM" adage wasn't the norm when I started 'teaching.' During my lurking days, you'd only see that sort of advice from pioneers in the art who had already begun deviating from the prevalent "how-to" models. Even then, they sometimes got flak for it.

I'm sure you'll agree, this "no movement or swallowing" thing is a step backwards.

As for my on-topic input here: everything I'd have to say on this topic can be found by following the link in my sig.

Now for reals. Sleep.