Doubt about Sleep Paralisis

**sprada** · 07-31-2013 12:53 PM

Hey all,

Noob asking for help from fellow members.
I have one doubt about SP.

Just read in another thread the following sentence:

"I have turned random SP episodes into WILDs by simply relaxing through it and visualizing the scene or getting out of bed when everything is over. The visualization part helps relieve some of the crazy things that go on during the 2-3 minute time frame that it happens and it also helps start a scene in a different location. Since everyone's eyes can open during SP the dreamer is more likely to have the dream start out in their own room."

I do realize that SP is not the goal. But that it can be used as an indicator as to where you are in whole process of WILD.
When it happens again (I've had it a couple of times) can I use it to enter a LD? How?

By keeping my eyes closed, waiting untill its gone and visualizing a dream scene to enter?
Or by keeping my eyes* open and simply get up to a LD? If so how to I get up without forcing my real body to move and wake up?

Couple of days ago I woke up from a non Lucid Dream and went into SP. I tried to get up into a LD but just woke myself up.

* I'm assuming my dream eyes. During SP my real eyes are always close right?

Best regards.

**splodeymissile** · 07-31-2013 01:07 PM

Both could work. For the former, the visualizations will gradually get more vivid and detailed and, assuming you don't focus on your physical body, you'll automatically "zoom" there (at least, that's how it works for me.) For the latter, again you want to ignore your physical body, but still keep knowledge of it being there. I personally imagine the sensation of rolling out of bed, which leads to my dream self moving through my wall (my room seems to be mirrored when I try this), and into the dream world. To be honest, its best for you to experiment and see what works. Good luck.

**Nfri** · 07-31-2013 01:12 PM

Why wild when you can mild?

**gab** · 07-31-2013 02:51 PM

@Sprada,

please note, that person saying that, also mentions that this is possible only for people already suffering with SP disorder. Which means, that they can get body paralysis before they enter dream.

For rest of us, this is not possible. For majority of people, SP turns on after we start dreaming.

If you have SP disorder, you know about that by now. But if you don't, please forget about using SP for lucid dreaming.

http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...mystified.html

**sprada** · 07-31-2013 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by gab

SP turns on after we start dreaming.

Oh I missed that.
The few times it happen to me was in fact when waking up from a dream.
I was just asking in case it happened during a WILD attempt. Simply didn't want to miss a chance for lucidity.

**gab** · 07-31-2013 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by sprada

Oh I missed that.
The few times it happen to me was in fact when waking up from a dream.
I was just asking in case it happened during a WILD attempt. Simply didn't want to miss a chance for lucidity.

It's also possible to get SP when waking up. But this happens only 1-2 in a lifetime. It's when something goes wrong, and our body fails to turn SP off, as we stop dreaming.

Normally, when you wake up, no matter when or how suddenly, you wake up and able to move. That's why SP is a disorder. Something not normally happening.

Also, we are talking about paralysis, when you can't move, no matter what.

Sensations and hallucinations we can experience when falling asleep or waking up, are not SP. But we can notice them, because we are lucid dreamers. We train ourselves to notice the falling asleep process, when normally we would not notice it.

Here is an excellent WILD (sageous) tutorial. happy dreams

**AURON** · 07-31-2013 09:13 PM

Even If you had Isolated Sleep Paralysis, it's a waste of time relying on SP to kick in for a WILD. Sometimes SP never kicks in. There have been times where I've failed a WILD because I was already in the dream, but I didn't know it, because I still had my eyes closed, waiting for it. Sometimes I would just dream about trying to WILD because of this. IMO your best bet would be to learn how to WILD straight up, and if SP kicks in, so be it....you have easy mode engaged for once, but do not ever rely on it because it's too random.

**Zonkitty** · 08-02-2013 07:09 AM

SP happens whether it "kicks in" or not (or else you would act out your dreams!), what varies is the extent you experience it. For plenty of WILDs, experiencing SP may be entirely skipped, even though you're still going through it. I personally find experiencing SP to be rather unpleasant, so I always hope I kind of "skip" that whole part.